When is Isaac Returning? Ruled out for the entire 2021-2022 season

[basketballRob]

So he is Zion!

Ready for something depressing? Zion has played in a higher percentage of possible games in his career than Isaac.

Zion:
85 games out of 203
42%

Isaac
136 games out of 369
37%

Zion's case is interesting because it seems like it's 50% health related and 50% Zion doesn't want to be in NO. For JI - it's either 100% health related or 100% leadership holding in him out. As others have pointed out, JI wouldn't move this team out of the top 4 ping pong balls so I think it's 100% health related.

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[OrlChamps2030]

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That’s not good..

[fendilim]

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That’s not good..

This is actually good.

Making sure he is healthy when he gets back. There is no need to have him on the court anyway.

[swarlesbarkley]

Ready for something depressing? Zion has played in a higher percentage of possible games in his career than Isaac.

Zion:
85 games out of 203
42%

Isaac
136 games out of 369
37%

Zion's case is interesting because it seems like it's 50% health related and 50% Zion doesn't want to be in NO. For JI - it's either 100% health related or 100% leadership holding in him out. As others have pointed out, JI wouldn't move this team out of the top 4 ping pong balls so I think it's 100% health related.

Cool

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Excellent point.

[basketballRob]

Zion's case is interesting because it seems like it's 50% health related and 50% Zion doesn't want to be in NO. For JI - it's either 100% health related or 100% leadership holding in him out. As others have pointed out, JI wouldn't move this team out of the top 4 ping pong balls so I think it's 100% health related.

Cool

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Excellent point.

Guess what Isaac isn't playing right now.

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[OrlChamps2030]

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That’s not good..

This is actually good.

Making sure he is healthy when he gets back. There is no need to have him on the court anyway.

Not being able to fully participate in practice 18 months after an injury is a good thing?

Riiiiiight…

[MartinsIzAfraud]

would really love to know how we can get Isaac medically assessed as a walking injury & cut him. Offer Ayton a Max deal, re sign Harris and move on

[swarlesbarkley]

Isaac is gonna come back either looking like an even skinnier Bol Bol or late era fat Shaq.

[The Effect]

would really love to know how we can get Isaac medically assessed as a walking injury & cut him. Offer Ayton a Max deal, re sign Harris and move on

you had me up until the "re-sign harris" part

Not that i hate Harris, but i dont see the draw of paying him 10+ mil per year with our current team

Id rather draft a G and save the money

Ayton | WC | Franz | Ivey\Davis\Murray | Suggs
With cole, ross, Fultz, okeke leading the 2nd unit

[orlando_joe]

That’s not good..

This is actually good.

Making sure he is healthy when he gets back. There is no need to have him on the court anyway.

Not being able to fully participate in practice 18 months after an injury is a good thing?

Riiiiiight…

not able? i missed that part ..or just making it up to fit your cause...i see as being held out no reason to have contact till summer if not playing in next 20 games...and really no need to have contact..just work on shooting and conditioning pretty simple get stronger

[yoyojw17]

That’s not good..

This is actually good.

Making sure he is healthy when he gets back. There is no need to have him on the court anyway.

Not being able to fully participate in practice 18 months after an injury is a good thing?

Riiiiiight…

totally didn't derail Embiid's career. lol

buuuuuut.... it all depends on what is being done during the time. I'm sure he's not just sitting on the couch eating twinkies... like some other players. He might come back with a new lease on life, more developed skills, developed jumper, ... and set of strong ass knees. If that's the case.... it was worth it. lol

But we will see where this all goes! Would have personally loved to see him on the court... but if that's not the case... I pray it was all worth it and we'll see when he finally hit the court.

everything is all suspicion until it becomes reality.

[swarlesbarkley]

This is actually good.

Making sure he is healthy when he gets back. There is no need to have him on the court anyway.

Not being able to fully participate in practice 18 months after an injury is a good thing?

Riiiiiight…

totally didn't derail Embiid's career. lol

buuuuuut.... it all depends on what is being done during the time. I'm sure he's not just sitting on the couch eating twinkies... like some other players. He might come back with a new lease on life, more developed skills, developed jumper, ... and set of strong ass knees. If that's the case.... it was worth it. lol

But we will see where this all goes! Would have personally loved to see him on the court... but if that's not the case... I pray it was all worth it and we'll see when he finally hit the court.

everything is all suspicion until it becomes reality.

Embiid sat out his first two years in the league, not half of his 1st and 3rd and basically all of his 4th and 5th like Isaac.

IMO it's way more likely that Isaac's ceiling has dropped significantly with this prolonged injury rather than risen. He's most likely trying to get back to where he was pre-injury rather than expanding his game.

[thelead]

The comments in here are silly. If he can play, great. If not, we cut our losses down the road. I'm in no way 'done with him' just because he isn't playing this year. He has proven to be valuable on the court when he can play. Being that we have no options other than waiting, we just need to wait it out and see. No one here really knows what's going on in the background.

[KillMonger]

The comments in here are silly. If he can play, great. If not, we cut our losses down the road. I'm in no way 'done with him' just because he isn't playing this year. He has proven to be valuable on the court when he can play. Being that we have no options other than waiting, we just need to wait it out and see. No one here really knows what's going on in the background.

but we should have some inkling of whats going on in the background....saying nothing and regurgitating the same outdated info isn't helping and is causing people to speculate.....there is a lot going on with new orleans but i loved how they handled relaying the news that zion had a setback....they didn't drag it out.....they got straight to the point and eliminated any need for speculation and hearsay....i mean based off the average recovery time of such an injury his return should be imminent but by the sounds of things it's not that at all....i mean fultz was supposedly "close" to returning as said by hammond but that was said before the month spent practicing with lakeland iirc....with JI only doing non contact he isn't even at the "lakeland practice" stage so why should we even bring him back this season? would he have to go through the month long practice like Fultz is doing?

[thelead]

The comments in here are silly. If he can play, great. If not, we cut our losses down the road. I'm in no way 'done with him' just because he isn't playing this year. He has proven to be valuable on the court when he can play. Being that we have no options other than waiting, we just need to wait it out and see. No one here really knows what's going on in the background.

but we should have some inkling of whats going on in the background....saying nothing and regurgitating the same outdated info isn't helping and is causing people to speculate.....there is a lot going on with new orleans but i loved how they handled relaying the news that zion had a setback....they didn't drag it out.....they got straight to the point and eliminated any need for speculation and hearsay....i mean based off the average recovery time of such an injury his return should be imminent but by the sounds of things it's not that at all....i mean fultz was supposedly "close" to returning as said by hammond but that was said before the month spent practicing with lakeland iirc....with JI only doing non contact he isn't even at the "lakeland practice" stage so why should we even bring him back this season? would he have to go through the month long practice like Fultz is doing?

I hear ya... but YOU and I knowing stuff isn't going to change whatever is going on in the background. I've got many other things to worry about and I'm sure you do too.

If we were a playoff team, yeah, have add it and ask all the tough questions. As a tanking team, I don't care if he's still rehabbing or being held out for the tank. And 'being held out for the tank' doesn't necessarily mean that he would win us more games. It's about giving other guys more minutes and opportunities while he strengthens his body.

[Knightro]

Obviously it would be very surprising to see Isaac play at this point.

I really think Fultz is gonna play in the next 2-3 games.

[fendilim]

Not being able to fully participate in practice 18 months after an injury is a good thing?

Riiiiiight…

totally didn't derail Embiid's career. lol

buuuuuut.... it all depends on what is being done during the time. I'm sure he's not just sitting on the couch eating twinkies... like some other players. He might come back with a new lease on life, more developed skills, developed jumper, ... and set of strong ass knees. If that's the case.... it was worth it. lol

But we will see where this all goes! Would have personally loved to see him on the court... but if that's not the case... I pray it was all worth it and we'll see when he finally hit the court.

everything is all suspicion until it becomes reality.

Embiid sat out his first two years in the league, not half of his 1st and 3rd and basically all of his 4th and 5th like Isaac.

IMO it's way more likely that Isaac's ceiling has dropped significantly with this prolonged injury rather than risen. He's most likely trying to get back to where he was pre-injury rather than expanding his game.

Ceiling? You mean potential? Maybe, but not significantly.

His trade value might have dropped significantly though.

But potential-wise, I doubt. In fact, I think the higher chance of him reaching closer to it after a prolong rest.

Again, there really is no rush to have him back on the court. And when healthy, we all know he is a big plus on the team.

Making sure he is REALLY healthy and ready to go shouldn’t really matter now. Again, we are not even trying to win. And he will only eat up Bamba’s minutes, tbh. So there really is no point as of now.

[MasterGMer]

totally didn't derail Embiid's career. lol

buuuuuut.... it all depends on what is being done during the time. I'm sure he's not just sitting on the couch eating twinkies... like some other players. He might come back with a new lease on life, more developed skills, developed jumper, ... and set of strong ass knees. If that's the case.... it was worth it. lol

But we will see where this all goes! Would have personally loved to see him on the court... but if that's not the case... I pray it was all worth it and we'll see when he finally hit the court.

everything is all suspicion until it becomes reality.

Embiid sat out his first two years in the league, not half of his 1st and 3rd and basically all of his 4th and 5th like Isaac.

IMO it's way more likely that Isaac's ceiling has dropped significantly with this prolonged injury rather than risen. He's most likely trying to get back to where he was pre-injury rather than expanding his game.

Ceiling? You mean potential? Maybe, but not significantly.

His trade value might have dropped significantly though.

But potential-wise, I doubt. In fact, I think the higher chance of him reaching closer to it after a prolong rest.

Again, there really is no rush to have him back on the court. And when healthy, we all know he is a big plus on the team.

Making sure he is REALLY healthy and ready to go shouldn’t really matter now. Again, we are not even trying to win. And he will only eat up Bamba’s minutes, tbh. So there really is no point as of now.

If he won't played a game this season, how are we going to know how he fits with this new team? How are we going to make moves in the offseason to make this team the right team. How are we going to draft? Jabari? Chet? Paolo? They are all PFs in the league.

[fendilim]

Embiid sat out his first two years in the league, not half of his 1st and 3rd and basically all of his 4th and 5th like Isaac.

IMO it's way more likely that Isaac's ceiling has dropped significantly with this prolonged injury rather than risen. He's most likely trying to get back to where he was pre-injury rather than expanding his game.

Ceiling? You mean potential? Maybe, but not significantly.

His trade value might have dropped significantly though.

But potential-wise, I doubt. In fact, I think the higher chance of him reaching closer to it after a prolong rest.

Again, there really is no rush to have him back on the court. And when healthy, we all know he is a big plus on the team.

Making sure he is REALLY healthy and ready to go shouldn’t really matter now. Again, we are not even trying to win. And he will only eat up Bamba’s minutes, tbh. So there really is no point as of now.

If he won't played a game this season, how are we going to know how he fits with this new team? How are we going to make moves in the offseason to make this team the right team. How are we going to draft? Jabari? Chet? Paolo? They are all PFs in the league.

Fit really matters right now? We need a superstar. You draft whoever you think has the best potential, regardless of the position or fit. Then you deal with it after.

Also, worked out well for the Cavs to have Mobley-Allen-Lauri in the lineup.

[PrimeThyme]

I'm just incapable of putting a positive spin on the Isaac situation at this point.

We're not going to see him this season. I thought we'd see Fultz after the All-star break, && it's looking like that will happen, but this is a completely different situation. I've been preaching this for a while now, but we have to get out of the mindset that sitting Isaac for this long is a tanking precaution or some extreme trepidation on Weltman's part.

Isaac is a player who clearly suffered a setback from a catastrophic knee injury. He will be 2 years removed from basketball when he plays again, and for someone who's great appeal was defensive versatility/mobility, it's hard to come to grips with the fact that we will probably never see that same guy again. But I think we have to.

Weltman isn't keeping him in some bacta tank waiting to unleash him onto the league when he deems a season worthy enough for him to play in. Isaac continues to rehab from a catastrophic injury that has already and will more than likely continue to alter his ceiling as a player in this league.