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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 3 

Post#741 » by eyriq » Mon May 22, 2023 5:52 pm

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pepe1991 wrote:Wtf supposed to Keytone's strenght?

He shot below 33% FG in 16 out of 32 games he suited up for.
He also is poor decision maker with ball.
He is aslo very poor defender.
He also lacks awarness on both ends.
He also has poor shot selection to go with delusional confidence.
He also isn't some spectacular athlete.

Guy is like Zach Lavine trapped in body of i don't know, Max Strus.

If you are going to burn your 11 pick on such a flawed prospect, rather trade it for some 2028 poorly protected pick and hope for best ,because toady Keyonte George will never see floor on Magic roster, nor any other team with playoff aspirations.
I get it, he's got some issues and isn't a sure thing by any means. However, to say that he is so flawed that he wouldn't fit into any team with playoff aspirations might be a bit harsh.

Keyonte's numbers do need to be put into context. Comparing his stats with former #1 pick Anthony Edwards, Keyonte actually did pretty well. Despite playing fewer minutes per game, Keyonte's stats hold up in many categories. His 3-point percentage is higher than Edwards' was in his freshman year. He also has higher Offensive Box Plus/Minus, Defensive Box Plus/Minus, and total Box Plus/Minus. His usage rate is slightly higher, indicating a more active role in his team's offense.

Now, this isn't to say Keyonte doesn't have areas to improve. His 2-point percentage is lower than you'd like to see and you've rightly pointed out his decision-making and defense need work. However, these are aspects that can be improved with good coaching and experience in the league.

Remember, players like Zach LaVine struggled initially in their careers too, but with proper development they turned into All-Star players. The key is patience and proper development.

So while it's important to keep expectations realistic, it's equally important not to write off a player too soon. NBA drafts are always a bit of a gamble, but the potential upside with Keyonte could make him a worthwhile investment.

You could pick apart every guy in every draft. I think it’s stupid but you could say Wemby body might be injury prone. We’re drafting 6 and 11 there will not be a perfect prospect there. You could pick apart more than others but I would want to miss taking a swing on a high upside two guard with shooting potential over other skill sets.


Yeah, exactly. Unless there's a clear differentiation between prospects I think you got to look at the archetype and fit.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 3 

Post#742 » by eyriq » Mon May 22, 2023 6:02 pm

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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 3 

Post#743 » by Ralof » Mon May 22, 2023 6:15 pm

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pepe1991 wrote:Wtf supposed to Keytone's strenght?

He shot below 33% FG in 16 out of 32 games he suited up for.
He also is poor decision maker with ball.
He is aslo very poor defender.
He also lacks awarness on both ends.
He also has poor shot selection to go with delusional confidence.
He also isn't some spectacular athlete.

Guy is like Zach Lavine trapped in body of i don't know, Max Strus.

If you are going to burn your 11 pick on such a flawed prospect, rather trade it for some 2028 poorly protected pick and hope for best ,because toady Keyonte George will never see floor on Magic roster, nor any other team with playoff aspirations.
Reminds me of when you told me that Franz will never be as good as Gordon Hayward.

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maybe not on this board,but in the rest of the universe that is still a more than valid take.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 3 

Post#744 » by KillMonger » Mon May 22, 2023 6:15 pm

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bigdogdylan5 wrote:Keyonte is my guy now. The smoothness of his jumper reminds me of someone I will not say. He has playmaking potential and I think the defensive concerns can be corrected. He is exactly what we are missing.

i was watching a scouting video that compares his game to a jamal murray....

He is more Bradley Beal or Ray Allen (at his absolute best best best case). I think a low end comp would be Eric Gordon. Honestly Nick Smith reminds me more of Murray

nick smith to me might be murray without the moves....nick smith doesn't really have a lot of "sauce" to his game....maybe nick is like a booker
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 3 

Post#745 » by Ralof » Mon May 22, 2023 6:16 pm

JoshuaPotter wrote:nbadraft currently has Amen falling to us.

Wouldn't be mad at that.


don't.give.me.hope.

please :cry:
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 3 

Post#746 » by JoshuaPotter » Mon May 22, 2023 6:39 pm

eyriq wrote:Fuel for the narrative

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Yikes....
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 3 

Post#747 » by eyriq » Mon May 22, 2023 7:00 pm

JoshuaPotter wrote:
eyriq wrote:Fuel for the narrative

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Yikes....
Keyonte getting drafted to immediately fill the role of Cole make a ton of sense
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 3 

Post#748 » by mattdelray1220 » Mon May 22, 2023 7:03 pm

eyriq wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Wtf supposed to Keytone's strenght?

He shot below 33% FG in 16 out of 32 games he suited up for.
He also is poor decision maker with ball.
He is aslo very poor defender.
He also lacks awarness on both ends.
He also has poor shot selection to go with delusional confidence.
He also isn't some spectacular athlete.

Guy is like Zach Lavine trapped in body of i don't know, Max Strus.

If you are going to burn your 11 pick on such a flawed prospect, rather trade it for some 2028 poorly protected pick and hope for best ,because toady Keyonte George will never see floor on Magic roster, nor any other team with playoff aspirations.
I get it, he's got some issues and isn't a sure thing by any means. However, to say that he is so flawed that he wouldn't fit into any team with playoff aspirations might be a bit harsh.

Keyonte's numbers do need to be put into context. Comparing his stats with former #1 pick Anthony Edwards, Keyonte actually did pretty well. Despite playing fewer minutes per game, Keyonte's stats hold up in many categories. His 3-point percentage is higher than Edwards' was in his freshman year. He also has higher Offensive Box Plus/Minus, Defensive Box Plus/Minus, and total Box Plus/Minus. His usage rate is slightly higher, indicating a more active role in his team's offense.

Now, this isn't to say Keyonte doesn't have areas to improve. His 2-point percentage is lower than you'd like to see and you've rightly pointed out his decision-making and defense need work. However, these are aspects that can be improved with good coaching and experience in the league.

Remember, players like Zach LaVine struggled initially in their careers too, but with proper development they turned into All-Star players. The key is patience and proper development.

So while it's important to keep expectations realistic, it's equally important not to write off a player too soon. NBA drafts are always a bit of a gamble, but the potential upside with Keyonte could make him a worthwhile investment.


This. He is flawed. Most of them are. They are 18-19yr olds. Keyonte to me is someone worth taking the risk on.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 3 

Post#749 » by Cammo101 » Mon May 22, 2023 7:05 pm

Keyonte as 6 feels a little rich, but he should for sure be in consideration at 11.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 3 

Post#750 » by bigdogdylan5 » Mon May 22, 2023 7:07 pm

Ralof wrote:
JoshuaPotter wrote:nbadraft currently has Amen falling to us.

Wouldn't be mad at that.


don't.give.me.hope.

please :cry:

Some of guys need to make up your minds we don’t want Fultz because he can’t shoot but we’re good with Amen? I am not saying they are the same player they are very different but the one common point is they really can’t shoot which will force us to put their ball in their hands and take it away from Paolo and Franz. If we draft a guard they NEED to be able to shoot or you need to trade Franz or Paolo for a different player which would be dumber than a bag of rocks in my opinion.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 3 

Post#751 » by cedric76 » Mon May 22, 2023 7:07 pm

eyriq wrote:Fuel for the narrative

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Chuma the Orlando guard:-)
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Bane, AB, TDS , Jett
Franz, TDS, Panda
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 3 

Post#752 » by Petre1978 » Mon May 22, 2023 7:09 pm

eyriq wrote:
JoshuaPotter wrote:
eyriq wrote:Fuel for the narrative

Read on Twitter

Yikes....
Keyonte getting drafted to immediately fill the role of Cole make a ton of sense

You think they trade Anthony?

Also Okeke is not a guard.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 3 

Post#753 » by zaymon » Mon May 22, 2023 7:14 pm

eyriq wrote:
JoshuaPotter wrote:
eyriq wrote:Fuel for the narrative

Read on Twitter

Yikes....
Keyonte getting drafted to immediately fill the role of Cole make a ton of sense


Our biggest problem is that we have too many guards who cant play pick and roll and you want to trade the only one who can for another one who cant ? That would make no sense.
We should draft wings or guards who can actually handle and make decisions with the ball. My favourites are Podziemski and Bufkin.
My money is on Banchero going number 1 !
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 3 

Post#754 » by pepe1991 » Mon May 22, 2023 7:28 pm

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pepe1991 wrote:Wtf supposed to Keytone's strenght?

He shot below 33% FG in 16 out of 32 games he suited up for.
He also is poor decision maker with ball.
He is aslo very poor defender.
He also lacks awarness on both ends.
He also has poor shot selection to go with delusional confidence.
He also isn't some spectacular athlete.

Guy is like Zach Lavine trapped in body of i don't know, Max Strus.

If you are going to burn your 11 pick on such a flawed prospect, rather trade it for some 2028 poorly protected pick and hope for best ,because toady Keyonte George will never see floor on Magic roster, nor any other team with playoff aspirations.
Reminds me of when you told me that Franz will never be as good as Gordon Hayward.

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and...he still isn't as good as prime Gordon Hayward, who, btw, was allstar and best player on 51 wins team. Guy had one of nastiest injuries nba has seen and it wracked his whole career, but to pretend that Gordon Hayward comparison is "bad" thing to say about player is straight crazy talk.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 3 

Post#755 » by Ducklett » Mon May 22, 2023 7:30 pm

Sell me on Keyonte because I don't get it. He shot sub-38% from the field for the season. That is historically awful.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 3 

Post#756 » by Ralof » Mon May 22, 2023 7:34 pm

bigdogdylan5 wrote:
Ralof wrote:
JoshuaPotter wrote:nbadraft currently has Amen falling to us.

Wouldn't be mad at that.


don't.give.me.hope.

please :cry:

we don’t want Fultz


you picked the wrong guy :roll:
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 3 

Post#757 » by bigdogdylan5 » Mon May 22, 2023 7:47 pm

Ducklett wrote:Sell me on Keyonte because I don't get it. He shot sub-38% from the field for the season. That is historically awful.

He really took a lot of bad shots. Some of them were bail me out heaves because he does have long range, most were flat out dumb. His catch and shoot numbers are very strong. I believe his open c&s was really strong. Trying to find those numbers. He will require some real horse breaking with his shot selection which the interview will tell you if that will be easy or really hard. Like is he willing to let Paolo and Franz cook and create space. He has real 3 level scoring upside and even some playmaking upside. It will take some time but it’s good we won’t need him to be an offensive fulcrum right away. The real selling point is his jump shot just looks insanely repeatable and just on point technically. He is a little undersized for the SG and defense will be a work in progress but he has the tools to be respectable. He is a high risk guy who I feel doesn’t actually have a low floor if he is willing to just shoot threes. Also really high pedigree high school player.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 3 

Post#758 » by pepe1991 » Mon May 22, 2023 7:47 pm

mattdelray1220 wrote:
eyriq wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Wtf supposed to Keytone's strenght?

He shot below 33% FG in 16 out of 32 games he suited up for.
He also is poor decision maker with ball.
He is aslo very poor defender.
He also lacks awarness on both ends.
He also has poor shot selection to go with delusional confidence.
He also isn't some spectacular athlete.

Guy is like Zach Lavine trapped in body of i don't know, Max Strus.

If you are going to burn your 11 pick on such a flawed prospect, rather trade it for some 2028 poorly protected pick and hope for best ,because toady Keyonte George will never see floor on Magic roster, nor any other team with playoff aspirations.
I get it, he's got some issues and isn't a sure thing by any means. However, to say that he is so flawed that he wouldn't fit into any team with playoff aspirations might be a bit harsh.

Keyonte's numbers do need to be put into context. Comparing his stats with former #1 pick Anthony Edwards, Keyonte actually did pretty well. Despite playing fewer minutes per game, Keyonte's stats hold up in many categories. His 3-point percentage is higher than Edwards' was in his freshman year. He also has higher Offensive Box Plus/Minus, Defensive Box Plus/Minus, and total Box Plus/Minus. His usage rate is slightly higher, indicating a more active role in his team's offense.

Now, this isn't to say Keyonte doesn't have areas to improve. His 2-point percentage is lower than you'd like to see and you've rightly pointed out his decision-making and defense need work. However, these are aspects that can be improved with good coaching and experience in the league.

Remember, players like Zach LaVine struggled initially in their careers too, but with proper development they turned into All-Star players. The key is patience and proper development.

So while it's important to keep expectations realistic, it's equally important not to write off a player too soon. NBA drafts are always a bit of a gamble, but the potential upside with Keyonte could make him a worthwhile investment.


This. He is flawed. Most of them are. They are 18-19yr olds. Keyonte to me is someone worth taking the risk on.


Ok let's flip arguments, what is Keyonte Geroge's basketball strenght?

He can draw fouls. What else?

37% FG
33,8% for 3
5th in win share on own team. ( 4th among starters)
3rd in RPM among starters on own team

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This is Keyonte George experience in nutshell. One game he can pass, than in next 5 he has like 6 assist total.
Two games he makes shots, than he is worst player on the floor in next 4.

Guy really went up with a bang, 9-40 FG in last 4 games, pretty much identical amount of assists and turnovers.

If you line up him and Nick Smith who had bummed knee, they had near identical stats, one guy just have valid excuse for sucking , other doesn't.

But with George, people still hold onto highschool hype and fact he was 5 star recruit.
And just turn blind eye on fact that you had 33 games of college experience, where he played against mainly not-future-professionals and still:
-couldn't get separation
- couldn't shoot with any accuracy
- couldn't attack paint
- couldn't shake off his defenders
- constantlly made poor decisions with ball
- was very poor defender because his awarness is pretty bad and because he isn't very athletic

Like wtf is he doing well? Miss shots?
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Post#759 » by bigdogdylan5 » Mon May 22, 2023 7:49 pm

Ralof wrote:
bigdogdylan5 wrote:
Ralof wrote:
don't.give.me.hope.

please :cry:

we don’t want Fultz


you picked the wrong guy :roll:

Sorry hard to keep track lmao. Need to have a big spreadsheet to reference because it’s here for or against no middle ground. So would you keep Fultz or let him go if we got Amen.
Fine print disclaimer for Fultz:
I am high on Markelle Fultz. Yes I understand he is not perfect and needs to shoot more and better and turn the ball over less. I would really like to see him play one more year… and I did and he sucks time to move on.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 3 

Post#760 » by JoshuaPotter » Mon May 22, 2023 8:12 pm

bigdogdylan5 wrote:
Ralof wrote:
JoshuaPotter wrote:nbadraft currently has Amen falling to us.

Wouldn't be mad at that.


don't.give.me.hope.

please :cry:

Some of guys need to make up your minds we don’t want Fultz because he can’t shoot but we’re good with Amen? I am not saying they are the same player they are very different but the one common point is they really can’t shoot which will force us to put their ball in their hands and take it away from Paolo and Franz. If we draft a guard they NEED to be able to shoot or you need to trade Franz or Paolo for a different player which would be dumber than a bag of rocks in my opinion.


I think you are missing the point of the hope.

If the "upside" of Amen allows us a pathway to getting rid of Fultz. Then what did we lose?

Edit : If we get Amen, and get rid of Fultz. Who took a whopping 1.5 3pta last season and .9 3pta a game I don't see a net loss.

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