Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 3.0

[RookieStar]

Yeah... im bringing JI back no matter what... well maybe if he asks for a 4yr 120m deal.

Seriously though... 17m for 50 games is a bargain. Especially if those games are in the POs lol.

Im using the draft to get a young legit 6'10 to develop into someone like JI.

Not surprised at all to see this kind of stupidity come from you

That's a ridiculous attack. RookieStar knows ball.

I'm not sure when it's safe to conclude that JI's future set of games played will be drastically different from his historic set of games played but it's not stupid to think we've already seen enough to think the future will be different from the past.

I said it's insanity to design a build with him included, expecting him to be available, but I was being hyperbolic.

Yup it is insanity. Good thing our rebuild/build is Paolo/Franz and maybe Suggs.

As i kept saying before. JI is just the cherry and maybe whipped cream on top. If signing him for 17m for 50games a season is the cost, then its a bargain.

17m at this era is not the same as the Vuc era.

[eyriq]

Not surprised at all to see this kind of stupidity come from you

That's a ridiculous attack. RookieStar knows ball.

I'm not sure when it's safe to conclude that JI's future set of games played will be drastically different from his historic set of games played but it's not stupid to think we've already seen enough to think the future will be different from the past.

I said it's insanity to design a build with him included, expecting him to be available, but I was being hyperbolic.

Yup it is insanity. Good thing our rebuild/build is Paolo/Franz and maybe Suggs.

As i kept saying before. JI is just the cherry and maybe whipped cream on top. If signing him for 17m for 50games a season is the cost, then its a bargain.

17m at this era is not the same as the Vuc era.

His contract is #108, wedged between Zach Collins and GTJ. That's around what you'd pay a team's 4th best player? Not an insignificant contract by any means. I'd expect him to take a massive pay cut unless he earns a starting role.

[The-Stallion70]

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not impactful....

Hey if you want to pay Isaac $120m to watch NBA games Courtside then be my guest.

Without JI:
ORTG: 111.9
DRTG: 115.4
NETRTG: -3.5

With JI:
ORTG: 115.0
DRTG: 111.8
NETRTG: 3.2

A 6.7 point net rating swing in his 14.8 mpg.

He finally looks healthy and the minutes are creeping up. JI is going nowhere... He's also not getting $120m either.

And if you're ready to attribute that all to JI then that is a leap of faith I am not ready to make.

[The-Stallion70]

Yeah... im bringing JI back no matter what... well maybe if he asks for a 4yr 120m deal.

Seriously though... 17m for 50 games is a bargain. Especially if those games are in the POs lol.

Im using the draft to get a young legit 6'10 to develop into someone like JI.

Not surprised at all to see this kind of stupidity come from you

That's a ridiculous attack. RookieStar knows ball.

I'm not sure when it's safe to conclude that JI's future set of games played will be drastically different from his historic set of games played but it's not stupid to think we've already seen enough to think the future will be different from the past.

I said it's insanity to design a build with him included, expecting him to be available, but I was being hyperbolic.

He suggested that we give $120M to a guy whose played 30% of all games in his career and averages 14mpg right now. Isaac doesn't even start.

That is the definition of insanity.

We are not paying a guy near the same amount as what Franz will get for a fraction of the contributions.

[RookieStar]

That's a ridiculous attack. RookieStar knows ball.

I'm not sure when it's safe to conclude that JI's future set of games played will be drastically different from his historic set of games played but it's not stupid to think we've already seen enough to think the future will be different from the past.

I said it's insanity to design a build with him included, expecting him to be available, but I was being hyperbolic.

Yup it is insanity. Good thing our rebuild/build is Paolo/Franz and maybe Suggs.

As i kept saying before. JI is just the cherry and maybe whipped cream on top. If signing him for 17m for 50games a season is the cost, then its a bargain.

17m at this era is not the same as the Vuc era.

His contract is #108, wedged between Zach Collins and GTJ. That's around what you'd pay a team's 4th best player? Not an insignificant contract by any means. I'd expect him to take a massive pay cut unless he earns a starting role.

Considering the fact that SAS and TOR fans have turned on those 2 players already, theb JI might be in the right place. Lol

Well lets see... how much is the projected CAP next season? When we sign the FAs that we think would complement our rosters I would expect that JI contract would ve in the Moe/JI level of inportance or value. So maybe 5th?

[RookieStar]

Not surprised at all to see this kind of stupidity come from you

That's a ridiculous attack. RookieStar knows ball.

I'm not sure when it's safe to conclude that JI's future set of games played will be drastically different from his historic set of games played but it's not stupid to think we've already seen enough to think the future will be different from the past.

I said it's insanity to design a build with him included, expecting him to be available, but I was being hyperbolic.

He suggested that we give $120M to a guy whose played 30% of all games in his career and averages 14mpg right now. Isaac doesn't even start.

That is the definition of insanity.

We are not paying a guy near the same amount as what Franz will get for a fraction of the contributions.

Reading comprehension FAIL???

read it again and tell me i want to give him a 120m contract?

[The-Stallion70]

That's a ridiculous attack. RookieStar knows ball.

I'm not sure when it's safe to conclude that JI's future set of games played will be drastically different from his historic set of games played but it's not stupid to think we've already seen enough to think the future will be different from the past.

I said it's insanity to design a build with him included, expecting him to be available, but I was being hyperbolic.

He suggested that we give $120M to a guy whose played 30% of all games in his career and averages 14mpg right now. Isaac doesn't even start.

That is the definition of insanity.

We are not paying a guy near the same amount as what Franz will get for a fraction of the contributions.

Reading comprehension FAIL???

read it again and tell me i want to give him a 120m contract?

Here ya go

Yeah... im bringing JI back no matter what... well maybe if he asks for a 4yr 120m deal.

Seriously though... 17m for 50 games is a bargain. Especially if those games are in the POs lol.

Im using the draft to get a young legit 6'10 to develop into someone like JI.

Reading comprehension FAIL

[RookieStar]

Yeah... no.

I cant believe anyone can get that i want to sign him for 120m/4yr with that statement. I meant im bringin him back no matter what execpt if he ask for something like that. But if you get that so, then my bad.

HOWEVER, if you read the next statement where i said 17m for 50 games etc etc you would get where im at and disbelieve that notion.

[The-Stallion70]

Yeah... no.

I cant believe anyone can get that i want to sign him for 120m/4yr with that statement. I meant im bringin him back no matter what execpt if he ask for something like that. But if you get that so, then my bad.

HOWEVER, if you read the next statement where i said 17m for 50 games etc etc you would get where im at and disbelieve that notion.

It's pretty clear what you wrote bossman if you understand English

We are just typing on here bro, we can't read nonverbal communication like positive inflections, etc. You said you'd bring him back no matter what... well maybe if he asks for 4yr 120m.

Nowhere in there did you say something like, not if he asks for 4yr 120m.

[SOUL]

I think Isaac's contract has a lot of stipulations and would continue to have them, so I think that would make certain numbers easier to swallow. But yeah, I don't know my cap, but I wouldn't go a crazy high amount but I would also 100% want to try to retain him.

[RookieStar]

Yeah... no.

I cant believe anyone can get that i want to sign him for 120m/4yr with that statement. I meant im bringin him back no matter what execpt if he ask for something like that. But if you get that so, then my bad.

HOWEVER, if you read the next statement where i said 17m for 50 games etc etc you would get where im at and disbelieve that notion.

It's pretty clear what you wrote bossman if you understand English

We are just typing on here bro, we can't read nonverbal communication like positive inflections, etc. You said you'd bring him back no matter what... well maybe if he asks for 4yr 120m.

Nowhere in there did you say something like, not if he asks for 4yr 120m.

Then its a failure to communicate... ah well not my fault though you immediately went wild and below the belt.

[Skybox]

Why’s everyone losing their minds over a guy with one more season on his deal…if he’s still walking, there’s no way the FO opts out…I believe they can waive him up until January- same as this year…there’s no renegotiation this summer.

[zaymon]

I think Isaac's contract has a lot of stipulations and would continue to have them, so I think that would make certain numbers easier to swallow. But yeah, I don't know my cap, but I wouldn't go a crazy high amount but I would also 100% want to try to retain him.

We will try to resign him, and cotract will have options to void in case of serious injury. Makes too much sense. Then we will have to consider if JI is closing center next to Paolo or rather forward chasing opposing scorers. If latter we will need rim protector who can also shoot 3s. If only Bamba was better or WCJ wouldnt sulk all the time....

[JoshuaPotter]

Why’s everyone losing their minds over a guy with one more season on his deal…if he’s still walking, there’s no way the FO opts out…I believe they can waive him up until January- same as this year…there’s no renegotiation this summer.

Kinda where I am at. At this point unless there is someone we want to throw max money at, and at this point I don't think there is anyone available. Someone has to hold the salary cap wad o cash. So in that essence, I cannot see a scenario why we wouldn't.

It also depends, Isaac is IMHO a walking medical malpractice suit. Just a heck of a defensive player when he plays. Modern day Ben Wallace. Likely would have multiple DPOTY in the bags.

But that cursed lack of playing time.

[eyriq]

Tyus could still be a reasonable play, especially if Cole doesn't pan out.

We are in a really interesting place. The core is a sophomore and two juniors.

The primary objective is to establish a defensive identity and we are crushing that goal.

The next level-up challenge will be to establish a top 10 offense.

Tyus could really help there, especially if he's replacing Cole in the rotation.

For me, and I know people don't agree, I think the plan should be to:
1. Improve availability
2. Improve shooting
3. Add experience

This means moving on from as many injury prone players as possible. Fultz, Harris, WCJ, and Isaac are on the purge list.

I'm voting for:
- Internal promotion to replace Fultz and Harris. AB and Jett, congrats.
- Claxton over WCJ
- A miracle for JI

I also like the idea of getting rid of re-tool phase guys. This also implies Isaac but I'm a sucker. Cole though?

-Tyus over Cole. Tyus is more experienced and a better shooter, and a much better floor general. His offensive rating on B-R is consistently in the 120s.

[JoshuaPotter]

Tyus could still be a reasonable play, especially if Cole doesn't pan out.

We are in a really interesting place. The core is a sophomore and two juniors.

The primary objective is to establish a defensive identity and we are crushing that goal.

The next level-up challenge will be to establish a top 10 offense.

Tyus could really help there, especially if he's replacing Cole in the rotation.

For me, and I know people don't agree, I think the plan should be to:
1. Improve availability
2. Improve shooting
3. Add experience

This means moving on from as many injury prone players as possible. Fultz, Harris, WCJ, and Isaac are on the purge list.

I'm voting for:
- Internal promotion to replace Fultz and Harris. AB and Jett, congrats.
- Claxton over WCJ
- A miracle for JI

I also like the idea of getting rid of re-tool phase guys. This also implies Isaac but I'm a sucker. Cole though?

-Tyus over Cole. Tyus is more experienced and a better shooter, and a much better floor general. His offensive rating on B-R is consistently in the 120s.

I am ok with most of this. But then we will see management resign Fultz because "who wouldn't resign Fultz to a 2 year 30m deal. He was the starting PG on the team that made the playoffs."

What really bugs me about the Fultz narrative, is you know you can find better by every conceivable metric. But for some reason the fact he was in the right place at the right time. There is a chance you "don't break the band up."

What was that you said @eyriq about % of players that typically don't make the roster?

I am expecting Okeke to be gone as well.

[eyriq]

Tyus could still be a reasonable play, especially if Cole doesn't pan out.

We are in a really interesting place. The core is a sophomore and two juniors.

The primary objective is to establish a defensive identity and we are crushing that goal.

The next level-up challenge will be to establish a top 10 offense.

Tyus could really help there, especially if he's replacing Cole in the rotation.

For me, and I know people don't agree, I think the plan should be to:
1. Improve availability
2. Improve shooting
3. Add experience

This means moving on from as many injury prone players as possible. Fultz, Harris, WCJ, and Isaac are on the purge list.

I'm voting for:
- Internal promotion to replace Fultz and Harris. AB and Jett, congrats.
- Claxton over WCJ
- A miracle for JI

I also like the idea of getting rid of re-tool phase guys. This also implies Isaac but I'm a sucker. Cole though?

-Tyus over Cole. Tyus is more experienced and a better shooter, and a much better floor general. His offensive rating on B-R is consistently in the 120s.

I am ok with most of this. But then we will see management resign Fultz because "who wouldn't resign Fultz to a 2 year 30m deal. He was the starting PG on the team that made the playoffs."

What really bugs me about the Fultz narrative, is you know you can find better by every conceivable metric. But for some reason the fact he was in the right place at the right time. There is a chance you "don't break the band up."

What was that you said @eyriq about % of players that typically don't make the roster?

I am expecting Okeke to be gone as well.

40% turnover is the average. Tanking teams tend to be higher, contending teams tend to be lower. Re-tooling teams tend to hit this rate.

Most teams are pretty consistently re-tooling and trying different configurations.

Tanking teams are focused on blowing it the **** up.

Contenders are looking for sustainable success, are capped out, and looking for growth at the margins.

I think the likelihood we resign Fultz has to be extremely low. He's not been extended, he's regressed, and we've invested a ton of draft equity into the position.

[Knightro]

It won't be easy to pry Tyus out of a guaranteed starting spot in Washington IMO.

Like you'd have to pay him starter money and I'm not totally sure that's worth doing since he's really more of a lower end starter/elite backup.

[thelead]

It won't be easy to pry Tyus out of a guaranteed starting spot in Washington IMO.

Like you'd have to pay him starter money and I'm not totally sure that's worth doing since he's really more of a lower end starter/elite backup.

If we can dump Cole and give Tyus Cole’s money plus 3 to 5 mil per more, are we not better for it?

[eyriq]

It's interesting, if you look at our top 10 in minutes you have

Paolo
Franz
Suggs
Cole
Moe
AB
Goga
Harris
WCJ
Ingles

AB and Goga are out of the rotation for Fultz and Isaac.

Last season top 10 was

Franz
Paolo
Fultz
WCJ
Cole
Suggs
Harris
Moe
Caleb
Okeke

We had moved Bol and Ross off the team mid season.

So calculating turnover here would give us 30%. Fultz, Caleb, and Okeke fell out for AB, Goga, and Ingles.

If Fultz and Isaac can kick out AB and Goga we'll be at 20% turnover.

Given the stage of our rebuild this is pretty low, which supports people saying Weltman sleeps on the job.