Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October

[drsd]

They probably wont at the start, but things could change midseason. Assuming we keep the same rotation, we’re not going anywhere with a lineup of Cole/Harris/Tristan/Ji/Moe.

Assuming you accept that Suggs/Caldwell-Pope/F-Wagner/Banchero/Carter are the starting five, I am not sure I agree with your depth chat for the bench.

da Silva is not getting minutes over Black. That means:
Anthony/Harris/Black/Isaac/M-Wagner would be the current bench.


I just with the Magic would trade Anthony and either Houstan or Howard for a solid back-up SF. That mini-consolidation would make a lot of sense. Someone like Corey Kispert, as one example.

My dream is thus this 10-man rotation :
Suggs/Black
Caldwell-Pope/Harris
F-Wagner/some Dude
Banchero/Isaac
Carter/M-Wagner

I really like that starting five and that bench.


But still: And then what for Bitadze, a clear NBA level talent? Orlando is not gonna run a 11-man rotation.

We’ve been over this ad nauseam.

Anthony Black is a 20 year old point guard.
Tristan da Silva is a 23 year old SF/PF.

The Front Office didn’t spend a first round pick on a player this age, while not retaining Ingles, to play Anthony Black over him. Let alone, placed out of position, because that would happen to make you feel better.

da Silva is taking those minutes. He’s ready now at 23. His ceiling isn’t Blacks, but his floor is higher right now.

I super appreciate your opinion! An And-1

And I don't share your view.

Orlando has far to much talent to play da Silva in my view.

A Black.Anthony.Harris bench would have Harris as the SF on offense and Black at SF on defense.

If I was a gambler, I would gamble that da Silva would log less than 600 total minutes in his rookie campaign. There is no gosh darn way in heck he gets to 1000 minutes played. I just can't see it without horrible injuries (plural) to the starting core.

Let me restate this: I do believe Black will get more than 1000 minutes in total (he logged 1100 last year). And thus, da Silva can't get anywhere near that.


So: in conclusion, I am super excited to see how Coach Mosley plays out some really tough questions. GO MAGIC!

p.s. on "Tristan da Silva is a 23 year old SF/PF", I see da Silva logging less than 100 mintes at PF. He is not a PF on this roster. Only in really weird small-ball rosters would that occur. Look: Bitadze at PF makes more sense than da Silva at PF.

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[drsd]

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[jezzerinho]

Assuming you accept that Suggs/Caldwell-Pope/F-Wagner/Banchero/Carter are the starting five, I am not sure I agree with your depth chat for the bench.

da Silva is not getting minutes over Black. That means:
Anthony/Harris/Black/Isaac/M-Wagner would be the current bench.


I just with the Magic would trade Anthony and either Houstan or Howard for a solid back-up SF. That mini-consolidation would make a lot of sense. Someone like Corey Kispert, as one example.

My dream is thus this 10-man rotation :
Suggs/Black
Caldwell-Pope/Harris
F-Wagner/some Dude
Banchero/Isaac
Carter/M-Wagner

I really like that starting five and that bench.


But still: And then what for Bitadze, a clear NBA level talent? Orlando is not gonna run a 11-man rotation.

We’ve been over this ad nauseam.

Anthony Black is a 20 year old point guard.
Tristan da Silva is a 23 year old SF/PF.

The Front Office didn’t spend a first round pick on a player this age, while not retaining Ingles, to play Anthony Black over him. Let alone, placed out of position, because that would happen to make you feel better.

da Silva is taking those minutes. He’s ready now at 23. His ceiling isn’t Blacks, but his floor is higher right now.

I super appreciate your opinion! An And-1

And I don't share your view.

Orlando has far to much talent to play da Silva in my view.

A Black.Anthony.Harris bench would have Harris as the SF on offense and Black at SF on defense.

If I was a gambler, I would gamble that da Silva would log less than 600 total minutes in his rookie campaign. There is no gosh darn way in heck he gets to 1000 minutes played. I just can't see it without horrible injuries (plural) to the starting core.

Let me restate this: I do believe Black will get more than 1000 minutes in total (he logged 1100 last year). And thus, da Silva can't get anywhere near that.


So: in conclusion, I am super excited to see how Coach Mosley plays out some really tough questions. GO MAGIC!

p.s. on "Tristan da Silva is a 23 year old SF/PF", I see da Silva logging less than 100 mintes at PF. He is not a PF on this roster. Only in really weird small-ball rosters would that occur. Look: Bitadze at PF makes more sense than da Silva at PF.

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I agree with all this (bar the last sentence).

Black/Joseph will be backup PG (table setters), Cole/Jett backup SG (offensive creators), and Harris/Houstan/DaSilva are backup wings. I can see DaSilva vaulting Houstan and pushing Harris for minutes, but agree he won't break 1000, without injuries.

Isaac/Carter Jr backup PFs. Moe and Goga backup Cs.

[zaymon]

I think our rotation will be less about "who got here first" and more about "who can contribute to winning".
If Da Silva shoots around 40% it will be crazy hard to keep him out of rotation. As a pole i am not the biggest fan of germans but those guys can construct training programs where sum is geater than its parts. Thats why Germany won World Cup and thats why we have 3 germans on our squad.
I would not be suprised if we close some games with KCP/Silva/Wagner/Banchero/Carter.
Suggs shooting is inconsistent and he is often injured, Black is even more inconsistent. Signing KCP and not extending Suggs is not exactly a vote of confidence to our guards.
I would also not rule out Howard. He is big and seems like exceptional shooter.

[VFX]

Some of you believe Weltman will concede that the 2024 draft was botched months after selecting their 23 year old Forward.

19 and 20 year old players have more potential and won’t lose value quicker than a 23 year old Senior. This is why teams don’t draft them unless they already have a bunch of young players.

They would have retained Ingles and drafted upside if they didn’t believe he was capable of playing minutes this season.

Burying him on the bench defies logic. The only reason they would do that is if he is absolutely not an nba player whatsoever.

[fendilim]

Highly doubt tds gets benched, I think black/howard will get Harris’ spot by the end of the season

The amount of investment to acquire Black as the 5th pick is just too high to bury him on the bench. I think he’ll get a fair share of opportunity.

That’s why he got minutes last year right away when Fultz and Gary got injured. Caleb didnt even play ahead of him despite being older.

Black’s height and game allows him to play multi position and you can plug him at pg.

[drsd]

Some of you believe Weltman will concede that the 2024 draft was botched months after selecting their 23 year old Forward.

19 and 20 year old players have more potential and won’t lose value quicker than a 23 year old Senior. This is why teams don’t draft them unless they already have a bunch of young players.

They would have retained Ingles and drafted upside if they didn’t believe he was capable of playing minutes this season.

Burying him on the bench defies logic. The only reason they would do that is if he is absolutely not an nba player whatsoever.

And-1

Black (and Howard) will get more minutes than da Silva. Heck: Houstan and Bitadze will get more minutes than da Silva.


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Anthony Black is a sub-mediocre player at SF.
Anthony Black is an above average player at PG.

Maybe people will realize that, but they are too busy finding ways of getting him minutes in the rotation out of convenience.

Anthony Black is a good player with upside and has a future in the league. His best quality is his positional advantage as a defender on opposing smaller guards.

Tristan da Silva has positional advantage as a 6’9 wing that can shoot the basketball.

[fendilim]

Anthony Black is a sub-mediocre player at SF.
Anthony Black is an above average player at PG.

Maybe people will realize that, but they are too busy finding ways of getting him minutes in the rotation out of convenience.

Anthony Black is a good player with upside and has a future in the league. His best quality is his positional advantage as a defender on opposing smaller guards.

Tristan da Silva has positional advantage as a 6’9 wing that can shoot the basketball.

That’s why he’ll get minutes defending the sg position. But running the pg spot.

There’s no way he is a better option than Gary given the players at the 2nd unit.

[eyriq]

At least one of TDS, Jett, and AB will get rotation minutes out of the gate. Two if Harris is benched. Three if both Cole and Harris are benched.

Moritz and JI are locks.

Cole is a heavy favorite to be in the rotation. Still young himself, a leading personality, and one of the bench's only playmakers.

Harris is an interesting case. Major pay cut and he's just not really that good. Is he better than AB? Doubtful. Better than Jett? Maybe.

So let's say it is Cole, Harris, Moe, and JI in the rotation out of the gate. Who do you pick out of AB, Jett, and TDS? It would be shocking for TDS to get playing time over AB and Jett, but I could see it.

[fendilim]

At least one of oTDS, Jett, and AB will get rotation minutes out of the gate. Two if Harris is benched. Three if both Cole and Harris are benched.

Moritz and JI are locks.

Cole is a heavy favorite to be in the rotation. Still young himself, a leading personality, and one of the bench's only playmakers.

Harris is an interesting case. Major pay cut and he's just not really that good. Is he better than AB? Doubtful. Better than Jett? Maybe.

So let's say it is Cole, Harris, Moe, and JI in the rotation out of the gate. Who do you pick out of AB, Jett, and TDS? It would be shocking for TDS to get playing time over AB and Jett, but I could see it.

i think ab gets the opportunity first, than tds. But i think the lineup will eventually be cole/black/tds/ji/moe.


We didn’t re-sign Fultz and Joe. That pretty much clears the path for the young guys.

Harris is in and out of the lineup. I think there will be minutes to be given to Jett as well. Harris somehow ends up getting injured most of the time.

[tiderulz]

Assuming you accept that Suggs/Caldwell-Pope/F-Wagner/Banchero/Carter are the starting five, I am not sure I agree with your depth chat for the bench.

da Silva is not getting minutes over Black. That means:
Anthony/Harris/Black/Isaac/M-Wagner would be the current bench.


I just with the Magic would trade Anthony and either Houstan or Howard for a solid back-up SF. That mini-consolidation would make a lot of sense. Someone like Corey Kispert, as one example.

My dream is thus this 10-man rotation :
Suggs/Black
Caldwell-Pope/Harris
F-Wagner/some Dude
Banchero/Isaac
Carter/M-Wagner

I really like that starting five and that bench.


But still: And then what for Bitadze, a clear NBA level talent? Orlando is not gonna run a 11-man rotation.

We’ve been over this ad nauseam.

Anthony Black is a 20 year old point guard.
Tristan da Silva is a 23 year old SF/PF.

The Front Office didn’t spend a first round pick on a player this age, while not retaining Ingles, to play Anthony Black over him. Let alone, placed out of position, because that would happen to make you feel better.

da Silva is taking those minutes. He’s ready now at 23. His ceiling isn’t Blacks, but his floor is higher right now.

I super appreciate your opinion! An And-1

And I don't share your view.

Orlando has far to much talent to play da Silva in my view.

A Black.Anthony.Harris bench would have Harris as the SF on offense and Black at SF on defense.

If I was a gambler, I would gamble that da Silva would log less than 600 total minutes in his rookie campaign. There is no gosh darn way in heck he gets to 1000 minutes played. I just can't see it without horrible injuries (plural) to the starting core.

Let me restate this: I do believe Black will get more than 1000 minutes in total (he logged 1100 last year). And thus, da Silva can't get anywhere near that.


So: in conclusion, I am super excited to see how Coach Mosley plays out some really tough questions. GO MAGIC!

p.s. on "Tristan da Silva is a 23 year old SF/PF", I see da Silva logging less than 100 mintes at PF. He is not a PF on this roster. Only in really weird small-ball rosters would that occur. Look: Bitadze at PF makes more sense than da Silva at PF.

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Da Silva has shown much better shooting than some more "potential talent" such as Black. I can easily see Da Silva playing 10-15 mpg right out of the gate. And he is easily big enough to play PF if needed. I see him as a combo forward. He can play either spot when one of Franz/Paolo are sitting.

[fendilim]

We’ve been over this ad nauseam.

Anthony Black is a 20 year old point guard.
Tristan da Silva is a 23 year old SF/PF.

The Front Office didn’t spend a first round pick on a player this age, while not retaining Ingles, to play Anthony Black over him. Let alone, placed out of position, because that would happen to make you feel better.

da Silva is taking those minutes. He’s ready now at 23. His ceiling isn’t Blacks, but his floor is higher right now.

I super appreciate your opinion! An And-1

And I don't share your view.

Orlando has far to much talent to play da Silva in my view.

A Black.Anthony.Harris bench would have Harris as the SF on offense and Black at SF on defense.

If I was a gambler, I would gamble that da Silva would log less than 600 total minutes in his rookie campaign. There is no gosh darn way in heck he gets to 1000 minutes played. I just can't see it without horrible injuries (plural) to the starting core.

Let me restate this: I do believe Black will get more than 1000 minutes in total (he logged 1100 last year). And thus, da Silva can't get anywhere near that.


So: in conclusion, I am super excited to see how Coach Mosley plays out some really tough questions. GO MAGIC!

p.s. on "Tristan da Silva is a 23 year old SF/PF", I see da Silva logging less than 100 mintes at PF. He is not a PF on this roster. Only in really weird small-ball rosters would that occur. Look: Bitadze at PF makes more sense than da Silva at PF.

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Da Silva has shown much better shooting than some more "potential talent" such as Black. I can easily see Da Silva playing 10-15 mpg right out of the gate. And he is easily big enough to play PF if needed. I see him as a combo forward. He can play either spot when one of Franz/Paolo are sitting.

The way tds plays and moves like franz, i think Tds gets automatic backup minutes of franz. And we wont really notice franz getting subbed. Lol

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This is why people weren’t initially jazzed about bringing Gary back. It left little to no minutes for the youth.

You aren’t going to convince me that Mosely is going to forgo playing a guy that started in the playoffs or the 23 year old 6’9 rookie that provides lacking offense off the bench.

Coaches don’t play project 20 year olds over those guys if their objective is to win games.

[fendilim]

This is why people weren’t initially jazzed about bringing Gary back. It left little to no minutes for the youth.

You aren’t going to convince me that Mosely is going to forgo playing a guy that started in the playoffs or the 23 year old 6’9 rookie that provides lacking offense off the bench.

Coaches don’t play project 20 year olds over those guys if their objective is to win games.

Depends on the need, tbh.

If the 20 year old brings almost the same as Harris but can also being a connecting piece, i don’t really see why not.

The path is already clear for Black and Tds to get minutes.

Especially black since we need ballhandlers and gary isnt necessarily that.

[VFX]

This is why people weren’t initially jazzed about bringing Gary back. It left little to no minutes for the youth.

You aren’t going to convince me that Mosely is going to forgo playing a guy that started in the playoffs or the 23 year old 6’9 rookie that provides lacking offense off the bench.

Coaches don’t play project 20 year olds over those guys if their objective is to win games.

Depends on the need, tbh.

If the 20 year old brings almost the same as Harris but can also being a connecting piece, i don’t really see why not.

The path is already clear for Black and Tds to get minutes.

Especially black since we need ballhandlers and gary isnt necessarily that.

That’s funny because everyone here tells me Paolo and Franz should be handling the ball 100% of the time running the offense and Cole Anthony exists.

[zaymon]

This is why people weren’t initially jazzed about bringing Gary back. It left little to no minutes for the youth.

You aren’t going to convince me that Mosely is going to forgo playing a guy that started in the playoffs or the 23 year old 6’9 rookie that provides lacking offense off the bench.

Coaches don’t play project 20 year olds over those guys if their objective is to win games.

Depends on the need, tbh.

If the 20 year old brings almost the same as Harris but can also being a connecting piece, i don’t really see why not.

The path is already clear for Black and Tds to get minutes.

Especially black since we need ballhandlers and gary isnt necessarily that.

Black is also not great ball handler and also worse shooter. He had dissapointing summer league, being clearly worse than both Howard and Silva propably even in playmaking.
He was ok in starting lineup during season when his responsibility was defending but coming from the bench is different. If we think about replacing Ingles both TdS and Howard are much more similar.
I dont think the rotation is set right now, but i will be suprised if Da Silva is not above Black in the rotation.

[fendilim]

This is why people weren’t initially jazzed about bringing Gary back. It left little to no minutes for the youth.

You aren’t going to convince me that Mosely is going to forgo playing a guy that started in the playoffs or the 23 year old 6’9 rookie that provides lacking offense off the bench.

Coaches don’t play project 20 year olds over those guys if their objective is to win games.

Depends on the need, tbh.

If the 20 year old brings almost the same as Harris but can also being a connecting piece, i don’t really see why not.

The path is already clear for Black and Tds to get minutes.

Especially black since we need ballhandlers and gary isnt necessarily that.

Black is also not great ball handler and also worse shooter. He had dissapointing summer league, being clearly worse than both Howard and Silva propably even in playmaking.
He was ok in starting lineup during season when his responsibility was defending but coming from the bench is different. If we think about replacing Ingles both TdS and Howard are much more similar.
I dont think the rotation is set right now, but i will be suprised if Da Silva is not above Black in the rotation.

I will be surprised too, because Black shouldn’t be playing for Tds minutes, we’d be better ought to play Black over Harris though.

[fendilim]

This is why people weren’t initially jazzed about bringing Gary back. It left little to no minutes for the youth.

You aren’t going to convince me that Mosely is going to forgo playing a guy that started in the playoffs or the 23 year old 6’9 rookie that provides lacking offense off the bench.

Coaches don’t play project 20 year olds over those guys if their objective is to win games.

Depends on the need, tbh.

If the 20 year old brings almost the same as Harris but can also being a connecting piece, i don’t really see why not.

The path is already clear for Black and Tds to get minutes.

Especially black since we need ballhandlers and gary isnt necessarily that.

That’s funny because everyone here tells me Paolo and Franz should be handling the ball 100% of the time running the offense and Cole Anthony exists.

The way Mosley run his rotations, he usually has a second lineup, and that’s where things get tricky because Paolo and Franz weren’t in the second unit.

Last year, we also saw how Cole Anthony was lost running the offense. We always end up with Joe running the offense and stabilizing it. While Black hasn’t show that ability, Black has higher potential to be more successful in that regard than Gary Harris.

There’s no way a lineup of Cole/Harris/TDS/JI/Moe would work, imo. Too much pressure will be on Cole’s plate, and he isn’t exactly reliable as a table setter. He needs another ball handler to assist him, and that would be Black.

And I think that’s what the management also sees that’s why they didn’t even acquire a Fultz or Ingles replacement. They are basically clearing the way for Black or Howard to get their minutes.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

Some of you believe Weltman will concede that the 2024 draft was botched months after selecting their 23 year old Forward.

19 and 20 year old players have more potential and won’t lose value quicker than a 23 year old Senior. This is why teams don’t draft them unless they already have a bunch of young players.

They would have retained Ingles and drafted upside if they didn’t believe he was capable of playing minutes this season.

Burying him on the bench defies logic. The only reason they would do that is if he is absolutely not an nba player whatsoever.

And-1

Black (and Howard) will get more minutes than da Silva. Heck: Houstan and Bitadze will get more minutes than da Silva.


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If Howard, Goga, and Houstan get more minutes than Tristan, then we drafted the wrong player.