BREAKING: Magic acquire Desmond Bane (KCP, Cole + 4 1st Round Picks + 1 1st Round Pick Swap)

[RichCollab]

Basically, it boils down to this…

What do you want most on the roster next year?

-A MLE signing at 14 million
-Jonathan Isaac at 15 million
-A rehabbing and possibly not ready until Christmas Moritz Wagner at something like 7-8 million

You can have two of these three things. But not all three.

I’m ok being patient with this decision. See how things progress personally.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Basically, it boils down to this…

What do you want most on the roster next year?

-A MLE signing at 14 million
-Jonathan Isaac at 15 million
-A rehabbing and possibly not ready until Christmas Moritz Wagner at something like 7-8 million

You can have two of these three things. But not all three.

This is a very easy answer to me.

Opening and using full MLE should take precedence over almost anything imo.

In a perfect world, Wagner/Joseph/Harris all are declined.

Jett is moved to Chicago or Brooklyn for space and fake SRP.

Orlando signs NAW to the full MLE

Isaac is retained

Moe signs a vet min. rehab/prove it deal.

Suggs/NAW/#25
Bane/Black/SRP
Wagner/TDS/Houstan
Banchero/Isaac/SRP
Carter/Bitazde/Wagner

Reevaluate next summer.

[Ducklett]

Declining Moe, Gary and CoJo would open up the full MLE.

But using the full MLE would put them right up against the hard cap first apron and they wouldn’t be able to retain Moe without moving on from Isaac or Jett or Goga for no return and only moving Jett would mean Moe would have to take a small deal.

Bye Jett lol

Dumping Jett, keeping Isaac, using the MLE and re-signing Moe with Jett’s money would probably be the ideal scenario, I just don’t know if Moe’s willing to take that much of a haircut.

I think coming off the injury he is and missing the time he is, that is a decent deal.

[yoyojw17]

Basically, it boils down to this…

What do you want most on the roster next year?

-A MLE signing at 14 million
-Jonathan Isaac at 15 million
-A rehabbing and possibly not ready until Christmas Moritz Wagner at something like 7-8 million

You can have two of these three things. But not all three.

I’m ok being patient with this decision. See how things progress personally.

Agreed. There is no rush to me. Lineups as is will give space to grow.

JI.... even though on a visual basis last season didn't look spectacular... his numbers show that he had a great defensive season with a defensive rating of 103.... and even an offensive rating of 113 for a 10 point net. That's a net positive on someone who had an offensive season to forget when shooting the ball. and the year before 124 Offrtg and 105 Defrtg. The guy is a difference maker. Annnnnd Goga.... shoot.... 127 Offrtg with a 105 Defrtg last season. (according to Basketball-Reference.com) These impact players won't be moved as quickly as one might think.

[jonbob17]

Are we on Brook Lopez watch now lol. God I do not know why I see him in a Magic uniform lol but I just do. Maybe his love for Disney World brings him here for one year on the real real real cheap. Lol

I mean, Lopez would be a pretty damn good fit. I would do whatever it took to get him. I am sure he'd be be a pretty good fit on a lot of teams. Maybe our stint with Robin and Disney would be enough...Sign Robin to a coaching role.

He looks like MLE type of money.

S&T with Milwaukee for a little extra to beat the rest of the MLE crowd? Can we trade guys with team options and Milwaukee decline to free up space? Not really sure what JI is valued at. National media guys rave about his defensive stats...i think we are all a little more suspicious at this point.

[Knightro]

Look if Moe is willing to sign for very little then that changes the math quite a bit.

I’m just not convinced he’s willing to take a massive paycut, knee injury or not.

[Rick Rolled]

I’m just not convinced he’s willing to take a massive paycut, knee injury or not.

After what we saw in that documentary last year I agree with you 100%.

[orlando_joe]

What superstar has been traded recently for that? And don't bring up Luka or a trade from 5 plus years ago. This is the market now for said players. Gobert, siakim, bridges, bane. The proof is the pudding

If durant gets less then what the magic gave up for bane it's because he is 37 and needs a new contract soon. It's not comparable.

In order to get talent like you just said it has to be boneified sure fire top 5 picks type of haul. This trade for bane is not gonna be anywhere near that if we think we have something special here.

It's all what ifs you keep bringing up... What if the magic have major injuries, what if the magic aren't as good as people think, what if Paolo & Franz can't learn hot to shoot a bit better, what if we can't sign people.

What we know is the magic are better now, not just short term but now & the future. Why because bane is locked up long terms and the magic core are still extremely young.

Let's see how it plays out before calling a brutal overpay. The magic paid 3 first round pick to get penny hardaway and those picks turned into who????

Deandre Hunter trade- no picks involved ( in first round)
Jimmy Butler rental - no first round picks involved
Quentin Grimes- no picks in first round involved

Fox trade: 3 first round picks but:
2025- Hornets pick, 0% chance at converting ( top 10 protection in moment of trade 12-34 record, pick landed 4th, Kings got jack s*** )
2027 pick - Spurs unprotected pick
2029 - unprotected Wolves pick

Spurs only gave up 1 own pick to get Fox.

Luka trade- for Davis and 2029 first round pick it is impossible not to mention it.


Gafford trade- one pick ( in some mixed cross trade of picks and pick swaps between OKC, Wizards and Mavs)
Rozier- 1 lottery protected pick

Siakam trade:
Bruce Brown, Kira Lewis, Jordan Nwora
- 2024 first round pick
-lesser of picks from Jazz/Clippers/Rockets/Thunder in 2024
- lottery protected 2026 pick


How any of this sounds even close to what Magic payed for Bane?

This trade for bane is not gonna be anywhere near that if we think we have something special here.

Check who were contenders 3-4 years ago and look where they are now. NBA shelf life of rebuild is shorter than ever. That's why giving up picks 5 years in advance will come to bite you in a** no matter what.

Those picks weren't just valuable to draft young players and keep line of fresh blood ( albeit that is under new CBA more valuable than ever) , they were peace by peace, assets that you could use in separate trades.

But no.
I don't need to see it to say it's overpay. If i pay my Jordan shoes $8000 i don't need to test them on court to know they are overpay, they can be best shoes ever and still be overpay. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive.
Bane is great player and will help you short term.

But you probably won't win title- short term because monsters like OKC, Nuggets, Houston with all of their core + all of their picks still exist + you still have to beat teams from East to even get to finals. And mid and long term you have nothing to work with with all assets gone.

Come on man most of those guys aren't anywhere near as good as bane.

I'll give you fox but he forced his way to the spurs. That's not the same.

The siakim trade was pretty close it's still 3 first round picks

Everyone is getting caught up in tje wording of unprotected. If the magic are as good as they should be these are non lotto picks in 28 & 30.

Your mainly referring to contenders who go all in on a mainly older roster. This roster even at year 2030 is still all just entering there primes. This isn't some aging team that mad a last second ditch at securing a rental. It's completely different.

Not everything is the same. There are many different outcomes that can happy. Let's see it play out before it's doom & gloom. We don't know what's gonna happen.

not to mention 4 yrs locked up...all took risk they could walk that is 2 first ...lol

[Skybox]

Man…the more I look, the more I’m seeing that Bane is a much more complete player than I realized. His playmaking, driving & finishing are far more advanced and efficient than I assumed. Take a look at Josh Cohen’s video on YouTube…he’s much more than just a spot up 3&D guy. Superb advanced analytics offensively.

Caleb, TdS, maybe even Jett might really emerge as the shot quality improves…lots of draft equity makes me think that Weltman really targeted Bane as a truly suitable piece and did what it took to get him. It will be interesting to see the margin follow up moves coming.

My only fear is a lack of coaching creativity diminishes Bane and Suggs into spot up spectators.

LFG!

not sure you recall but i had him and bridges as top 2 wants last summer but was laughed at ...you know me i think paid a first 2030 and 29 swap to much but i can live with it for this kind of player..and have always said it would need to be kcp going out if 30 mill coming in...now need jones at 5 mill ,moe at 7/8 and maybe move off jet and get back nets 26 or 27 pick..add some 2nds and trade for a pick next yr or 28...save money this yr try and stay under tax 1 more yr..lol

Wait...you were FOR something?

[orlando_joe]

Man…the more I look, the more I’m seeing that Bane is a much more complete player than I realized. His playmaking, driving & finishing are far more advanced and efficient than I assumed. Take a look at Josh Cohen’s video on YouTube…he’s much more than just a spot up 3&D guy. Superb advanced analytics offensively.

Caleb, TdS, maybe even Jett might really emerge as the shot quality improves…lots of draft equity makes me think that Weltman really targeted Bane as a truly suitable piece and did what it took to get him. It will be interesting to see the margin follow up moves coming.

My only fear is a lack of coaching creativity diminishes Bane and Suggs into spot up spectators.

LFG!

not sure you recall but i had him and bridges as top 2 wants last summer but was laughed at ...you know me i think paid a first 2030 and 29 swap to much but i can live with it for this kind of player..and have always said it would need to be kcp going out if 30 mill coming in...now need jones at 5 mill ,moe at 7/8 and maybe move off jet and get back nets 26 or 27 pick..add some 2nds and trade for a pick next yr or 28...save money this yr try and stay under tax 1 more yr..lol

Wait...you were FOR something?

right..lol
if i remember right you asked what player i wanted ...as i turned down all your poole and simons trades

[Magic_Johnny12]

Look if Moe is willing to sign for very little then that changes the math quite a bit.

I’m just not convinced he’s willing to take a massive paycut, knee injury or not.

I mean I agree, but Orlando could easily draft his replacement in Maxine Raynaud with the #25.

He’s a senior so should in theory be able to contribute day-1, 7’ tall with 7’ 1” W/S. Kinda does everything Mo does.

If it’s between NAW + Raynaud or the ability to resign Mo to an above market contract simply due to politics I think the choice should be clear…I hope.

[Magic#1]

Are we on Brook Lopez watch now lol. God I do not know why I see him in a Magic uniform lol but I just do. Maybe his love for Disney World brings him here for one year on the real real real cheap. Lol

I mean, Lopez would be a pretty damn good fit. I would do whatever it took to get him. I am sure he'd be be a pretty good fit on a lot of teams. Maybe our stint with Robin and Disney would be enough...Sign Robin to a coaching role.

He looks like MLE type of money.

S&T with Milwaukee for a little extra to beat the rest of the MLE crowd? Can we trade guys with team options and Milwaukee decline to free up space? Not really sure what JI is valued at. National media guys rave about his defensive stats...i think we are all a little more suspicious at this point.

Lopez would be a huge get. Walks in and is immediately our best shot blocker and one of our best three point shooters. If we found a way to keep Dell AND Moe on top of that, that's some really great big man depth. I would assume Lopez goes ring hunting even though he has one and we're not quite there yet. I also wouldn't be surprised if he stayed with the Bucks. But we'll see.

[Rainwater]

Declining Moe, Gary and CoJo would open up the full MLE.

But using the full MLE would put them right up against the hard cap first apron and they wouldn’t be able to retain Moe without moving on from Isaac or Jett or Goga for no return and only moving Jett would mean Moe would have to take a small deal.

Bye Jett lol

Dumping Jett, keeping Isaac, using the MLE and re-signing Moe with Jett’s money would probably be the ideal scenario, I just don’t know if Moe’s willing to take that much of a haircut.

TDS leaving might be an option as well. I think JI might be on the chopping block as well with how his paying time has been cut. The offseason will be interesting.

[yoyojw17]

About to watch it now!

Watch on YouTube

[Mauro Pedrosa]

Alright, WeltHam made me pick up Photoshop again





If anyone wants it with a different background send me ideas

[OrlandoNed]

Not sure if anyone else saw Orlando's X account recently, but Bane will be wearing #3.

[zaymon]

This ultimately comes down to how he is utilized and folded into the current system.

Now do I believe Mosely is going to have Desmond Bane running offense and getting people into better positions for pick and roll opportunities? No. Paolo and Franz will be bringing up the ball a majority of the time.

Our info on how Bane is used was in one total system in Memphis as the main secondary option off of Ja. He will not be that guy in Orlando in my estimation. He will be the 3rd option, which is nice because it means less pressure on Suggs.

It’s not that I think he’s incapable of the things you listed. It’s that he won’t be tasked with a lot of it due to how things have been run here. And no, he isn’t a primary playmaker. It’s not like people list him as some dual threat combo guard like Harden, SGA, or something. He’s a 3&D guy with a little more in his bag than the average catch and shoot guy. Hes basically a much more elite offensively older Suggs from a season ago in terms of how he gets into spots and defensively.

I thought about what you and pepe said and Bane and his role.
We were and are in the same boat regarding a need for lead ball handler. Where we differ i guess is you think we should keep PB while adding lead ball handler while i think we can trade Banchero for a lead ball handler or build around him with more scoring oriented guard.
I just dont think adding a lead ball handler to Franz, Paolo and Jalen makes that much sense. We would pay two max contracts for off ball players ? So what we need from our guard ? 1. Shooting 2. Being able to perform pick and roll becouse it doesnt work well between Franz and Paolo 3. Making smart decisive decisions moving the ball 4. Not being a weak link defensively.
You can argue Bane is just good not elite in pick and roll and i get that but other options were Fox who wanted to play for Spurs is on the last year of his contract and will want a mx himself. Morant who is not for trade, small and not good shooter. Lillard who is old and injured. Curry who is not for trade. Maxey not for trade. Young small and expensive. Like what is the alternative ?
Even if we wanted to trade Banchero who is worth it and available ? SGA not. Haliburton not. Brunson not worth it. Curry old. Cunningham not.

Bane is propably good enough to relieve some pressure from them. Can be involved in pnr, hand offs, running off the screen. When we bank on PB and FW he just makes sense while not pretending to be a lead ball handler. (and he doesnt have to)

If things go south and both Paolo and Franz stagnate than we can trade one of them for a chance at better lead ball handler. We will recharge our picks just as Banchero enters his 27 year on this planet. Until then we can try with different iterations. We can trade Suggs. We can experiment with different centers.

tldr we can still be contenders while Bane is not a lead ball handler.

[drsd]

Note from Keith Smith: Orlando will be hard-capped at the SECOND apron after this trade.

That is $207.8M.

Not that they will be anywhere close to that. Just something to keep in mind.

Fake news.

And 180,197,846 + 24,156,411 = 204,354,257

Technically it is not fake ...

$207.8M is not $204.4M. So, it is incorrect.

[VFX]

What's random about adding Bane and his skillset though? He checks a lot of boxes. Sure, we still have to see it all play out, but I don't think it's random at all.

Bane and Suggs do not orchestrate or run offense. They are not point guards that can operate a pick and roll game.

This is putting more emphasis on Paolo and Franz to “run” on-ball offense neither of which player are considered great from outside and need to improve in that area.

It’s random in terms of taking a risk in assuming his translatable skill set and tendencies will match what we have seen of him in Memphis. The Grizzlies offense is not Orlando’s. They have a point guard that draws in defenses and averages 7.5-8 assists per game. Nobody in Orlando is that player.

I will love to hear what the excuses are IF Bane’s numbers do not match his past production with this in mind.

they wont just like any other 2nd option thats asked to be third option on any player they trade for ..imagine bringing in a first option asked to be 3rd option like simons ect..his numbers would drop in half easy...i mean come on common sense is needed

Sorry, but when you spend 4 firsts for a guy you would expect them to be a first option.

Not the case here with this trade.

Bane isn’t a #1 guy on a team with Paolo and Franz. He’s an elite supplemental option.

Like if you were to claim Bane was a trade target a week ago I would have laughed. 4 picks was enough apparently and he was available. That’s kind of my point here. You can’t tell me a starting fringe allstar point guard league wide wasn’t available for 4 firsts a starter and a 6th man.

It was a deliberate choice to trade for Bane, which is fine. He’s a great player with an elite skillset and makes the team better. Hes not a point guard though and Orlando doesn’t have a point guard on the roster as it stands.

[Knightro]

Fake news.

And 180,197,846 + 24,156,411 = 204,354,257

Technically it is not fake ...

$207.8M is not $204.4M. So, it is incorrect.

What are you even talking about?

The Magic cannot exceed $207.8M this year. The are hard capped at that amount. That is factually correct information.

I am not and have not been saying they’re going to end up anywhere near that total, only that they cannot exceed that total.