2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk

basketballRob · Post #761 » by **basketballRob** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:11 pm

Fournier probably gets offered someone's MLE.

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Post #762 » by **Knightro** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:19 pm

What I expect...

Vucevic isn't moved. Ross isn't moved. Gordon isn't moved.

Fournier, Birch, Ennis, Clark are allowed to walk.

Magic draft Jalen Green, Jalen Suggs or Moses Moody with their 1st round pick and some big man with their 2nd round pick.

G: Fultz, Anthony
G: 1st round pick, MCW
F: Gordon, Ross, Bacon
F: Isaac, Okeke, Aminu
C: Vucevic, Bamba, 2nd round pick

And fill the last two spots with bottom of the roster filler like some G-League PG and Mane.

jonbob17 · Post #763 » by **jonbob17** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:04 pm

MoMM wrote:Which MAX FAs will be available next year?

not many, i dont see too many maxes but there will be a lot of $ and a lot of FAs
Kawhi
Chris Paul
John Collins (restricted)
Lonzo (restricted)
Oladipo
Jrue
Dinwiddie
Kyle Lowry
Derozan
Conley
Harrell
Jarrett Allen (restricted)
Fournier
Oubre
Barton
Graham
Norm Powell
Markkannen (restricted)
Richaun Holmes
Drummond
Elfrid Payton

jonbob17 · Post #764 » by **jonbob17** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:06 pm

basketballRob wrote:Fournier probably gets offered someone's MLE.

He'll get way more than an MLE. I would bet he gets more than Bogdanovic's $18M

Post #765 » by **SD2042** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:12 am

Bensational wrote:
SD2042 wrote:
Bensational wrote:2 seasons in a row ‘derailed’ by injuries and no action to improve the team outside of hoping that injured player/s return. I just don’t know how you stay the course so adamantly on a path that keeps getting worse and worse.

If they continue to run the same train of thought off the rails, some heads may roll let's say a year from now.

It seems like the organisation is happy with the results with a low set of standards. If the team returns healthy next season and earns another .500 record that would probably be a great success in their eyes.

I'm sorry, but if this is their interpretation that way to be mediocre is the best success for the Magic, then maybe I have to look to do with this team like I had to do with another team a while back and seperate myself from the team. For me, that's saying something after following this team for nearly three decades(Damn! I'm old. lol)

This season, the injuries is playing it's role. I can understand that. Having a front office with low expectations ain't gonna cut it. Especially when you're suppose to be competitive in a sport like this. There is no dedication and purpose if the intentions behind building up a team is to aim for lower expectations.

basketballRob · Post #766 » by **basketballRob** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:07 am

AG and Ennis for Covington, Hood, and a future 1st.

Hood's contract next year isn't fully guaranteed. So that would save money.

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JRoy · Post #767 » by **JRoy** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:33 am

basketballRob wrote:AG and Ennis for Covington, Hood, and a future 1st.

Hood's contract next year isn't fully guaranteed. So that would save money.

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Hard pass from POR

Don’t think AG solves our problems and certainly not at that price

Post #768 » by **Bensational** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:46 am

ORL
in: Vassell + Oubre + Gay
out: Gordon + Fournier

GSW
in: Aldridge + Gordon + Fournier
out: Wiseman + Wiggins + Oubre

SAS
in: Wiseman + Wiggins
out: Aldridge + Vassell + Gay

ORL gets expiring contracts and a young wing to add to it's youth core.

Vuc/Bamba
Isaac/Aminu
Chuma/MCW
Vassell/Ross
Cole/Fultz

+ a (hopefully) top 5 pick who can go straight into that SL.

GSW load up on win-now pieces on expiring contracts. Aldridge/Green/Gordon/Fournier/Steph is potent offensively and have some piece to get after it defensively. They could make some noise in the playoffs, and if they don't then GSW gets some massive cap relief, but the bird rights to keep Aldridge and Fournier.

SAS have a ton of cap space coming up, so they can afford to absorb a bloated contract for a player (they'll probably be able to continue developing), and a C for the future.

VFX · Post #769 » by **VFX** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 4:17 am

Bensational wrote:ORL
in: Vassell + Oubre + Gay
out: Gordon + Fournier

GSW
in: Aldridge + Gordon + Fournier
out: Wiseman + Wiggins + Oubre

SAS
in: Wiseman + Wiggins
out: Aldridge + Vassell + Gay

ORL gets expiring contracts and a young wing to add to it's youth core.

Vuc/Bamba
Isaac/Aminu
Chuma/MCW
Vassell/Ross
Cole/Fultz

+ a (hopefully) top 5 pick who can go straight into that SL.

GSW load up on win-now pieces on expiring contracts. Aldridge/Green/Gordon/Fournier/Steph is potent offensively and have some piece to get after it defensively. They could make some noise in the playoffs, and if they don't then GSW gets some massive cap relief, but the bird rights to keep Aldridge and Fournier.

SAS have a ton of cap space coming up, so they can afford to absorb a bloated contract for a player (they'll probably be able to continue developing), and a C for the future.

I’d do it, but I think SAS get screwed in this deal simply because Wiggins is a negative asset.

JBSouthpaw · Post #770 » by **JBSouthpaw** » Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:15 pm

MagicMatic wrote:
Bensational wrote:ORL
in: Vassell + Oubre + Gay
out: Gordon + Fournier

GSW
in: Aldridge + Gordon + Fournier
out: Wiseman + Wiggins + Oubre

SAS
in: Wiseman + Wiggins
out: Aldridge + Vassell + Gay

ORL gets expiring contracts and a young wing to add to it's youth core.

Vuc/Bamba
Isaac/Aminu
Chuma/MCW
Vassell/Ross
Cole/Fultz

+ a (hopefully) top 5 pick who can go straight into that SL.

GSW load up on win-now pieces on expiring contracts. Aldridge/Green/Gordon/Fournier/Steph is potent offensively and have some piece to get after it defensively. They could make some noise in the playoffs, and if they don't then GSW gets some massive cap relief, but the bird rights to keep Aldridge and Fournier.

SAS have a ton of cap space coming up, so they can afford to absorb a bloated contract for a player (they'll probably be able to continue developing), and a C for the future.

I’d do it, but I think SAS get screwed in this deal simply because Wiggins is a negative asset.

FOR SAS, it's basically Vassell for Wiseman, which makes me think they'd do it. They may need a 2nd RD PK, but that would be it.

DiplomaticMagic · Post #771 » by **DiplomaticMagic** » Tue Mar 16, 2021 2:53 pm

Is Orlando open for business?

Rival executives say yes, with only Jonathan Isaac and Markelle Fultz considered untouchable. Aaron Gordon and Evan Fournier are available, as is All-Star center Nikola Vucevic. The Magic have been looking for point guard help, kicking the tires on Ricky Rubio recently. Celtics guard Kemba Walker remains a favorite of Magic coach Steve Clifford, but it’s unlikely Boston, without much depth behind Walker, will part with him at this point.

https://www.si.com/.amp/nba/2021/03/16/nba-trade-rumors-storylines-to-follow?__twitter_impression=true

cedric76 · Post #772 » by **cedric76** » Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:01 pm

DiplomaticMagic wrote:
Is Orlando open for business?

Rival executives say yes, with only Jonathan Isaac and Markelle Fultz considered untouchable. Aaron Gordon and Evan Fournier are available, as is All-Star center Nikola Vucevic. The Magic have been looking for point guard help, kicking the tires on Ricky Rubio recently. Celtics guard Kemba Walker remains a favorite of Magic coach Steve Clifford, but it’s unlikely Boston, without much depth behind Walker, will part with him at this point.

https://www.si.com/.amp/nba/2021/03/16/nba-trade-rumors-storylines-to-follow?__twitter_impression=true

Help at point guard?
With Fultz +Cole and MCW
WTF
LOL if we get Kemba

Post #773 » by **Def Swami** » Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:15 pm

DiplomaticMagic wrote:
Is Orlando open for business?

Rival executives say yes, with only Jonathan Isaac and Markelle Fultz considered untouchable. Aaron Gordon and Evan Fournier are available, as is All-Star center Nikola Vucevic. The Magic have been looking for point guard help, kicking the tires on Ricky Rubio recently. Celtics guard Kemba Walker remains a favorite of Magic coach Steve Clifford, but it’s unlikely Boston, without much depth behind Walker, will part with him at this point.

https://www.si.com/.amp/nba/2021/03/16/nba-trade-rumors-storylines-to-follow?__twitter_impression=true

Nothing against Rubio. I like Rubio. He'd be the best point guard on the team. But, we just gave $17 million over the next 2 years to Fultz. Those two guards don't complement each other. We would be paying $34 million next year to two guards who can't score. Kemba Walker is a shell of himself. He's making $34 million + a year til 2024.

I'm all for using Gordon to balance out the roster, which has been long overdue. But, for older veteran guards whose best years are by them would be so shortsighted and make little basketball sense. It would wreak of Clifford demanding a point guard to make a run at the 10 seed.

This is why the Magic passing on Caris Levert is dumbfounding to me. Regardless of what you think about Levert as a player, his perceived value is similar to Gordon's on the trade market. You're not selling an asset for cents on the dollar. They're both similar caliber players. Levert would have balanced the roster out. He would have provided a Fournier replacement. He's a higher upside offensive player. He's a better passer. His game would have complemented Fultz's well. And he's still only 26, which better fits the roster's timeline. The Magic could have gotten an asset back and it would have made sense on court. I'll be surprised if they can fulfill both of those goals in a Gordon trade.

MartinsIzAfraud · Post #774 » by **MartinsIzAfraud** » Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:19 pm

Def Swami wrote:
DiplomaticMagic wrote:
Is Orlando open for business?

Rival executives say yes, with only Jonathan Isaac and Markelle Fultz considered untouchable. Aaron Gordon and Evan Fournier are available, as is All-Star center Nikola Vucevic. The Magic have been looking for point guard help, kicking the tires on Ricky Rubio recently. Celtics guard Kemba Walker remains a favorite of Magic coach Steve Clifford, but it’s unlikely Boston, without much depth behind Walker, will part with him at this point.

https://www.si.com/.amp/nba/2021/03/16/nba-trade-rumors-storylines-to-follow?__twitter_impression=true

Nothing against Rubio. I like Rubio. He'd be the best point guard on the team. But, we just gave $17 million over the next 2 years to Fultz. Those two guards don't complement each other. We would be paying $34 million next year to two guards who can't score. Kemba Walker is a shell of himself. He's making $34 million + a year til 2024. I'm all for using Gordon to balance out the roster, which has been long overdue. But, for older veteran guards whose best years are by them would be so shortsighted and make little basketball sense. It would wreak of Clifford demanding a point guard to make a run at the 10 seed.

Only reason Rubio makes sense is if the FO has already decided to shut Fultz down or snails pace recover for next year. Rubio/Cole as Guard rotation.

Xatticus · Post #775 » by **Xatticus** » Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:35 pm

Def Swami wrote:
DiplomaticMagic wrote:
Is Orlando open for business?

Rival executives say yes, with only Jonathan Isaac and Markelle Fultz considered untouchable. Aaron Gordon and Evan Fournier are available, as is All-Star center Nikola Vucevic. The Magic have been looking for point guard help, kicking the tires on Ricky Rubio recently. Celtics guard Kemba Walker remains a favorite of Magic coach Steve Clifford, but it’s unlikely Boston, without much depth behind Walker, will part with him at this point.

https://www.si.com/.amp/nba/2021/03/16/nba-trade-rumors-storylines-to-follow?__twitter_impression=true

Nothing against Rubio. I like Rubio. He'd be the best point guard on the team. But, we just gave $17 million over the next 2 years to Fultz. Those two guards don't complement each other. We would be paying $34 million next year to two guards who can't score. Kemba Walker is a shell of himself. He's making $34 million + a year til 2024.

I'm all for using Gordon to balance out the roster, which has been long overdue. But, for older veteran guards whose best years are by them would be so shortsighted and make little basketball sense. It would wreak of Clifford demanding a point guard to make a run at the 10 seed.

This is why the Magic passing on Caris Levert is dumbfounding to me. Regardless of what you think about Levert as a player, his perceived value is similar to Gordon's on the trade market. You're not selling an asset for cents on the dollar. They're both similar caliber players. Levert would have balanced the roster out. He would have provided a Fournier replacement. He's a higher upside offensive player. He's a better passer. His game would have complemented Fultz's well. And he's still only 26, which better fits the roster's timeline. The Magic could have gotten an asset back and it would have made sense on court. I'll be surprised if they can fulfill both of those goals in a Gordon trade.

I wouldn't trade Gordon for Rubio, but I would accept Rubio as a makeweight in a Gordon trade. I'd expect to get a quality pick and/or a prospect attached. We have an abundance of minutes available for Rubio to resurrect his trade value. I don't expect that Fultz is going to be ready to step right in to heavy minutes next year and at such time as he is ready, you can probably rather easily flip Rubio to a contender needing guard help or otherwise use his expiring contract.

MasterGMer · Post #776 » by **MasterGMer** » Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:44 pm

The only way I accept a potential Rubio trade is that we trade Fultz somehow. But it is not going to happen. So NO to Rubio.

Blue_and_Whte · Post #777 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:45 am

I don’t see the rush to trade AG tbh. Least of all for another PG who can’t shoot the 3.

RookieStar · Post #778 » by **RookieStar** » Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:12 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:I don’t see the rush to trade AG tbh. Least of all for another PG who can’t shoot the 3.

Yup I have this thinking as well. The only reason I want to trade him now is IF we can get a PO/Contending team to be desperate enough in the deadline to outbid all other offers

jonbob17 · Post #779 » by **jonbob17** » Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:02 pm

MasterGMer wrote:The only way I accept a potential Rubio trade is that we trade Fultz somehow. But it is not going to happen. So NO to Rubio.

What is the expectation for Fultz’s return next season? Do we think he will be playing in games before March?

MasterGMer · Post #780 » by **MasterGMer** » Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:11 pm

jonbob17 wrote:
MasterGMer wrote:The only way I accept a potential Rubio trade is that we trade Fultz somehow. But it is not going to happen. So NO to Rubio.

What is the expectation for Fultz’s return next season? Do we think he will be playing in games before March?

My thinking is he will be back before the season starts. Now March?