Official Spec Thread: Heart and Hustle Magic 2.0

[fendilim]

I'm sorry, dude, but that's an Isiah Thomas special. I wouldn't even give up Bamba for Wiggins. Bamba might be as useless to a team aspiring to win games as Wiggins is, but that certitude doesn't yet exist. That mystery will unravel to some extent as this season plays out. What I know for certain, however, is that Bamba doesn't have $65M left on his contract. Wiggins is a problem for whatever team he is on. GSW can try to pretend that they are happy with him, but they aren't. They'd love to turn him into something else.

The thing with Bamba is, he is either going to show very well, or very poor. So either he'll outprice his Q offer of 10M, or not be worth it. Neither of those scenarios are good for the Magic. Don't forget, in the trade, Ross's $$ could go out, while Wiggins does make 32M, it would "only" be an increase of ~20M. for 1year. I'm not stuck on Wiggins, but a trade LIKE the Wiggins trade is something we should be shopping.

What is the right number for Bamba? I'll be happy with anything between 4 years, $50-60M.

floor is WCJ money, imo.

Bamba has more potential than WCJ.

[drsd]

Andrew Wiggins- trade - to - orlando-
those are my trigger words

Jabari Parker should be available in the off-season. Does that help?


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[pepe1991]

Andrew Wiggins- trade - to - orlando-
those are my trigger words

Jabari Parker should be available in the off-season. Does that help?


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Exum is up to grabs as well.
Exum- Stauskas -Wiggins- Jabari- Noah Vonleh.

IF somebody said it's possible lineup nba team can put up, in 2014 people would claim that's title contender type roster

[JBSouthpaw]

The thing with Bamba is, he is either going to show very well, or very poor. So either he'll outprice his Q offer of 10M, or not be worth it. Neither of those scenarios are good for the Magic. Don't forget, in the trade, Ross's $$ could go out, while Wiggins does make 32M, it would "only" be an increase of ~20M. for 1year. I'm not stuck on Wiggins, but a trade LIKE the Wiggins trade is something we should be shopping.

What is the right number for Bamba? I'll be happy with anything between 4 years, $50-60M.

floor is WCJ money, imo.

Bamba has more potential than WCJ.

There is NO WAY Bamba is re-signing with this team.
1. He is either going to be too good and get more than the Q offer from other teams or;
2. He isn't going to be good, and Magic are going to let him walk. Another bad year, time for scenery change.

[Bergmaniac]

He's a restricted free agent, if he's really good we'll keep him, it's not like we need the money to spend on anyone else.

[rcklsscognition]

Bamba's days are numbered. I knew this as soon as he started last night. We are not running twin towers in 2021 other than to showcase him.

[D J C]

Who wants some meaningless 1 game sample size stats to start off the year?!?

First we got breakout star Mo Bamba
35.3 PER (12th in the NBA)
4 BPG (T-2nd)
.2 OWS (T-3rd)
10.5 BLK% (5th)
29.2 AST% (2nd among C)

And the other half of our twin tower, WCJ
23.2 TRB% (12th)
29.2 PER (6th for players =<22 y/o)

Then we have our ROTY candidate Franz Wagner
20.8 PER (3rd amongst rookies >10 MPG)
12 PPG (T-3rd rookies)
3 STOCKS/G (T-1st rookies)

And of course our prized pick Jalen Suggs
10 PPG (T-6th rookies)
3 FTM/G (T-2nd rookies)

[Magic_Kingdom]

I don't think management trusts Bamba long-term. There reaches a point where, if you are still talking about a player's "potential", then they are never going to reach it. He is playing for a contract this year and the team that gives it to him will regret it.

Bamba played well last night, but did he? One defensive rebound in 27 minutes in a game where we got destroyed on the offensive glass.

I get that Wiggins has issues, but ultimately what is the risk? If we're not going to re-sign Bamba, why not add a 26-year-old 19.5 ppg career scorer and see what happens? How much pressure would that take off all these youngsters flailing about on offense? And what good is cap space when no quality free agent is coming here for the foreseeable future?

We just lost our season opener by 26 points to one of the worst teams in the league -- what exactly could get worse?!?

[Skin]

What is the right number for Bamba? I'll be happy with anything between 4 years, $50-60M.

floor is WCJ money, imo.

Bamba has more potential than WCJ.

There is NO WAY Bamba is re-signing with this team.
1. He is either going to be too good and get more than the Q offer from other teams or;
2. He isn't going to be good, and Magic are going to let him walk. Another bad year, time for scenery change.

Why would we not want him because he turns out to be TOO GOOD???

Magic won't let him walk because that would mean they messed up on the pick. They won't want to admit that. Letting Hezonja go was fine because he wasn't their pick.

[Skin]

I don't think management trusts Bamba long-term. There reaches a point where, if you are still talking about a player's "potential", then they are never going to reach it. He is playing for a contract this year and the team that gives it to him will regret it.

Bamba played well last night, but did he? One defensive rebound in 27 minutes in a game where we got destroyed on the offensive glass.

I get that Wiggins has issues, but ultimately what is the risk? If we're not going to re-sign Bamba, why not add a 26-year-old 19.5 ppg career scorer and see what happens? How much pressure would that take off all these youngsters flailing about on offense? And what good is cap space when no quality free agent is coming here for the foreseeable future?

We just lost our season opener by 26 points to one of the worst teams in the league -- what exactly could get worse?!?

I don't think you trust Bamba long term. I'm not ready to think that WeHam thinks that. Mosley has been working with Bamba a great deal. I don't think they are in the business of wasting anyone's time, especially on a player who they don't plan on keeping around. Obviously this is a big year for Bamba. Pretty sure they are interested in seeing how he plays now with no restrictions and no Vuc blocking his way. After 1 game, they must be encouraged.

[jezzerinho]

If Isaac is our starting four, the question is why would we want to resign Bamba? We have Carter and you can always find a RoLo or even better in FA for cheap money.

Unless Bamba puts WCJ absolutely in the shade AND the FO is happy to pony up what that contract year productivity would earn Bamba... then he's off to another team.

[Bergmaniac]

If WCJ produces at a reasonable level, his contract will be easy to move if the management decides Bamba will be the centre of the future.

[JBSouthpaw]

floor is WCJ money, imo.

Bamba has more potential than WCJ.

There is NO WAY Bamba is re-signing with this team.
1. He is either going to be too good and get more than the Q offer from other teams or;
2. He isn't going to be good, and Magic are going to let him walk. Another bad year, time for scenery change.

Why would we not want him because he turns out to be TOO GOOD???

Magic won't let him walk because that would mean they messed up on the pick. They won't want to admit that. Letting Hezonja go was fine because he wasn't their pick.

If he has a very good season, a team offers him close to 20M, we aren't matching that. I think we all think he was offered something similar to WCJ, if that price goes up, we'll have 30M+ committed.
They didn't extend him, so they already are admitting the pick isn't holding it's value slot.

I also think the Cliff years have scarred Mo towards this franchise, IMO he wants to go somewhere else.

[drsd]

How much lower does SImmons need to set his trade value before Orlando can trade on-the-cheap for him?

Forcing a trade is one thing; making yourself valueless is another.

[JBSouthpaw]

How much lower does SImmons need to set his trade value before Orlando can trade on-the-cheap for him?

Forcing a trade is one thing; making yourself valueless is another.

what would you give up for him right now?

Do you think he wants to be a PG, or would he be ok being a Forward?

[The Effect]

If Isaac is our starting four, the question is why would we want to resign Bamba? We have Carter and you can always find a RoLo or even better in FA for cheap money.

Unless Bamba puts WCJ absolutely in the shade AND the FO is happy to pony up what that contract year productivity would earn Bamba... then he's off to another team.

Because if both reach their potential, Bamba should be much better than carter?

If bamba ever fulfills his potential, hes potentially a top 10 center in this league, someone in say the Christian Wood, jarrett Allen range

Now the question becomes is Bamba mentally capable of that? I dont know. This is something ive been asking since before he was drafted, and to this point i hadnt seen it. Yesterday was encouraging, and if he keeps that up, ill take him over carter any day of the week

[The Effect]

How much lower does SImmons need to set his trade value before Orlando can trade on-the-cheap for him?

Forcing a trade is one thing; making yourself valueless is another.

The 76ers know what they have in him, they arent going to settle for cheap just to get rid of him

They have all the leverage in this. He can choose not to play, but hes losing money every day and they can wait this out much longer than he can

[YosemiteSam]

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We are the team equivalent of Mr Glass

[Dub_Sax]

So Harris is now OUT for the Knicks game too.
He hadn't missed any time during training camp or preseason games. Then his hammy tightens up during pregame warmups of the first game causing him to miss that AND the next game...something doesn't seem right (besides Harris's hammy)

Also, I'm not buying this idea that Suggs was still ill last night and that why he played poorly. He's played poorly in every game since summer league.


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[SOUL]

So Harris is now OUT for the Knicks game too.
He hadn't missed any time during training camp or preseason games. Then his hammy tightens up during pregame warmups of the first game causing him to miss that AND the next game...something doesn't seem right (besides Harris's hammy)

Also, I'm not buying this idea that Suggs was still ill last night and that why he played poorly. He's played poorly in every game since summer league.


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I mean, he played poorly in those games not ill but it didn't help this last game. Doesn't mean it was the reason why, just doesn't help.

Rookies will have a lot of good and bad games