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Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 3.0

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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 3.0 

Post#761 » by JoshuaPotter » Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:12 pm

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Given the stage of our rebuild this is pretty low, which supports people saying Weltman sleeps on the job.


This implies he knows what he is doing. (IE sleeping on the job while being at the GM job) I disagree.
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Post#762 » by eyriq » Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:19 pm

Knightro wrote:It won't be easy to pry Tyus out of a guaranteed starting spot in Washington IMO.

Like you'd have to pay him starter money and I'm not totally sure that's worth doing since he's really more of a lower end starter/elite backup.
If Tyus doesn't work out, rooting for Cole's development isn't the worst consolation prize. Cole is a poor man's Jameer Nelson when you line up their development timelines.
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 3.0 

Post#763 » by JoshuaPotter » Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:28 pm

Cole to me is fine, he is one of the few players I think is good in his role. Even if he has been playing through injuries and off court drama.

I have often debated in my head if I would want Cole to start over AB so long as the impression was that AB was clearly the heir apparent to the starting position and the reality is, I think that creates too much drama for Cole. Especially if we do well. Imagine, for a second if Cole Anthony started during the 9 game win streak how much more so we would be calling for him over Fultz vs AB?
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 3.0 

Post#764 » by yoyojw17 » Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:30 pm

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Knightro wrote:It won't be easy to pry Tyus out of a guaranteed starting spot in Washington IMO.

Like you'd have to pay him starter money and I'm not totally sure that's worth doing since he's really more of a lower end starter/elite backup.
If Tyus doesn't work out, rooting for Cole's development isn't the worst consolation prize. Cole is a poor man's Jameer Nelson when you line up their development timelines.


I have a feeling that ... down the stretch and during the playoffs.... jameer 2.0 will reemerge and people are going to be like... "Now that's a great contract... 6 man of the year award" lol
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 3.0 

Post#765 » by Knightro » Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:31 pm

thelead wrote:If we can dump Cole and give Tyus Cole’s money plus 3 to 5 mil per more, are we not better for it?


Probably, but I'm just weary of spending big money on one position players (PG and C specifically) when those players aren't elite.

Tyus is fine, but he can basically only play on the ball, so that limits the versatility.
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 3.0 

Post#766 » by eyriq » Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:31 pm

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eyriq wrote:
Knightro wrote:It won't be easy to pry Tyus out of a guaranteed starting spot in Washington IMO.

Like you'd have to pay him starter money and I'm not totally sure that's worth doing since he's really more of a lower end starter/elite backup.
If Tyus doesn't work out, rooting for Cole's development isn't the worst consolation prize. Cole is a poor man's Jameer Nelson when you line up their development timelines.


I have a feeling that ... down the stretch and during the playoffs.... jameer 2.0 will reemerge and people are going to be like... "Now that's a great contract... 6 man of the year award" lol
I hope so!!!
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Post#767 » by Magicman125 » Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:58 pm

I'm hoping Cole will come back from the ASB playing more like he did to start the year efficiency-wise.
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 3.0 

Post#768 » by sChOlaRlY_Magi » Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 am

JoshuaPotter wrote:Cole to me is fine, he is one of the few players I think is good in his role. Even if he has been playing through injuries and off court drama.

I have often debated in my head if I would want Cole to start over AB so long as the impression was that AB was clearly the heir apparent to the starting position and the reality is, I think that creates too much drama for Cole. Especially if we do well. Imagine, for a second if Cole Anthony started during the 9 game win streak how much more so we would be calling for him over Fultz vs AB?



What offcourt drama? I’m apparently ignorant of this.
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 3.0 

Post#769 » by OnlyFranz22 » Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:02 am

Need one of these Kentucky guards lol

Look at SGA/Fox/Murray/Quickley/Booker/Maxey/Herro & Cason Wallace has a bright future.

Find a way to get Rob Dillingham
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Post#770 » by thelead » Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:31 am

JoshuaPotter wrote:Cole to me is fine, he is one of the few players I think is good in his role.


Respectfully, you're blind.

Ophthalmologists are everywhere in Orlando.
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 3.0 

Post#771 » by RookieStar » Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:00 am

sChOlaRlY_Magi wrote:
JoshuaPotter wrote:Cole to me is fine, he is one of the few players I think is good in his role. Even if he has been playing through injuries and off court drama.

I have often debated in my head if I would want Cole to start over AB so long as the impression was that AB was clearly the heir apparent to the starting position and the reality is, I think that creates too much drama for Cole. Especially if we do well. Imagine, for a second if Cole Anthony started during the 9 game win streak how much more so we would be calling for him over Fultz vs AB?



What offcourt drama? I’m apparently ignorant of this.


I think i read someone posted here his first ever GF dumped him or something? I dunno if i read that right.but something about girl problems
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Post#772 » by RookieStar » Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:08 am

OnlyFranz22 wrote:Need one of these Kentucky guards lol

Look at SGA/Fox/Murray/Quickley/Booker/Maxey/Herro & Cason Wallace has a bright future.

Find a way to get Rob Dillingham


As long as we don't get Tyty/Boston/Askew/Ashton/Diallo

You know... guys who were as hyped as the others but didnt pan out.
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 3.0 

Post#773 » by OnlyFranz22 » Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:26 am

RookieStar wrote:
OnlyFranz22 wrote:Need one of these Kentucky guards lol

Look at SGA/Fox/Murray/Quickley/Booker/Maxey/Herro & Cason Wallace has a bright future.

Find a way to get Rob Dillingham


As long as we don't get Tyty/Boston/Askew/Ashton/Diallo

You know... guys who were as hyped as the others but didnt pan out.


I mean TyTy & Boston are still only 22 and haven’t been given enough of an opportunity yet.

Look at Monk. He’s 26 and has gotten better every year in the league with more opportunities.

Askew is still playing college ball at Cal.
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 3.0 

Post#774 » by RookieStar » Wed Feb 14, 2024 11:27 am

OnlyFranz22 wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
OnlyFranz22 wrote:Need one of these Kentucky guards lol

Look at SGA/Fox/Murray/Quickley/Booker/Maxey/Herro & Cason Wallace has a bright future.

Find a way to get Rob Dillingham


As long as we don't get Tyty/Boston/Askew/Ashton/Diallo

You know... guys who were as hyped as the others but didnt pan out.


I mean TyTy & Boston are still only 22 and haven’t been given enough of an opportunity yet.

Look at Monk. He’s 26 and has gotten better every year in the league with more opportunities.

Askew is still playing college ball at Cal.


Askew has shown no improvement to be considered a NBA player.

Tyty ans Boston has how many years in the league already? Tyty was with the tanking rockets... how many chances can you get by that?
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 3.0 

Post#775 » by JoshuaPotter » Wed Feb 14, 2024 1:47 pm

sChOlaRlY_Magi wrote:
JoshuaPotter wrote:Cole to me is fine, he is one of the few players I think is good in his role. Even if he has been playing through injuries and off court drama.

I have often debated in my head if I would want Cole to start over AB so long as the impression was that AB was clearly the heir apparent to the starting position and the reality is, I think that creates too much drama for Cole. Especially if we do well. Imagine, for a second if Cole Anthony started during the 9 game win streak how much more so we would be calling for him over Fultz vs AB?



What offcourt drama? I’m apparently ignorant of this.


Speculation : He started the season in a relationship and it likely isn't or didn't end well for him. He mentioned some issues in a post game interview recently.

/ Speculation.
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 3.0 

Post#776 » by JoshuaPotter » Wed Feb 14, 2024 1:48 pm

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JoshuaPotter wrote:Cole to me is fine, he is one of the few players I think is good in his role.


Respectfully, you're blind.

Ophthalmologists are everywhere in Orlando.


No, I just have realistic expectations for who should be a career bench player.
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Post#777 » by thelead » Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:35 pm

JoshuaPotter wrote:
thelead wrote:
JoshuaPotter wrote:Cole to me is fine, he is one of the few players I think is good in his role.


Respectfully, you're blind.

Ophthalmologists are everywhere in Orlando.


No, I just have realistic expectations for who should be a career bench player.

Realistic expectations are a sub-par scorer, with limited playmaking skills, and a horrible defender?

Raise your standards.

I hope to God he turns the scoring part around because otherwise we’re stuck with a putrid player for at least two more seasons.
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 3.0 

Post#778 » by OnlyFranz22 » Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:41 pm

RookieStar wrote:
OnlyFranz22 wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
As long as we don't get Tyty/Boston/Askew/Ashton/Diallo

You know... guys who were as hyped as the others but didnt pan out.


I mean TyTy & Boston are still only 22 and haven’t been given enough of an opportunity yet.

Look at Monk. He’s 26 and has gotten better every year in the league with more opportunities.

Askew is still playing college ball at Cal.


Askew has shown no improvement to be considered a NBA player.

Tyty ans Boston has how many years in the league already? Tyty was with the tanking rockets... how many chances can you get by that?


TyTys second season and Brandon’s third. Brandon has been buried on a stacked wing position Clippers team.
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 3.0 

Post#779 » by JoshuaPotter » Wed Feb 14, 2024 4:14 pm

thelead wrote:
JoshuaPotter wrote:
thelead wrote:
Respectfully, you're blind.

Ophthalmologists are everywhere in Orlando.


No, I just have realistic expectations for who should be a career bench player.

Realistic expectations are a sub-par scorer, with limited playmaking skills, and a horrible defender?

Raise your standards.

I hope to God he turns the scoring part around because otherwise we’re stuck with a putrid player for at least two more seasons.


Interesting. I wasn't aware that all glaring weaknesses must be minimized from the bench. I mean, ideally, probably they should. But then why wouldn't we just start them. :naaa:

Perhaps we are playing with the dictionary version of "fine", if so, then he is "Okay". Playing through whatever he is playing through.

Rather then hoping to God a millionaire does better. Could you pray for my eyesight?
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 3.0 

Post#780 » by Knightro » Wed Feb 14, 2024 4:17 pm

Cole last year was very good in his role and got what appeared to be a completely justified contract extension at a fair price.

Unfortunately, Cole this year has been very poor in his role for several months at this point and that extension looks quite poor without a bounce back to something closer to last year's form.

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