2024 NBA Draft night open thread, round 1, June 26th

[fateis007]

I dont think we are good enough to be taking high floor no upside picks. Look at MIN trading up to 8. That is the right thing to do.

Nothing makes sense about this deal. Literally must be some sort of favor Spurs owe MIN.

What does Spurs get from this? They are a rebuilding team, that essentially just gave up their 8th pick to a team that is going to be top 5 for years to come.

And for what? A pick swap for a crappy pick from a contender?

If anyone has more insight, maybe I am misunderstanding, feel free to correct me.

[Skin]

YES IT DOES! I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here

If a player gets picked who likely has minimal upside and a huge part of that's appeal as a draft prospect is his ability to step in from day one and contribute, and he doesn't get playing time because of "unfortunate circumstances" - it was the wrong pick!

Agreed.

If they aren’t sold on his ability to come in and start as a guy already older than Franz, then they should have taken someone with upside that they can hide and develop (Jett Howard). If Tristan isn’t getting legitimate minutes next season it was a bad pick.

TDS will step right over Jett on the depth chart …not a knock on Jett and certainly not his upside. This a Jaime Jacquez/ high floor/high BBIQ pick, not a raw project

I don't think he takes Jett's minutes. IMO, Ingles is now gone. Also, Houstan needs to beware.

If anything, this solidifies Jett getting his playing time behind Suggs.

PG FA/Trade | Black | Anthony
SG Suggs | Jett
SF Franz | Tristan

Man, if we could somehow get Dejounte Murray I would be soooo happy.

[SOUL]

I dont think we are good enough to be taking high floor no upside picks. Look at MIN trading up to 8. That is the right thing to do.

Nothing makes sense about this deal. Literally must be some sort of favor Spurs owe MIN.

What does Spurs get from this? They are a rebuilding team, that essentially just gave up their 8th pick to a team that is going to be top 5 for years to come.

And for what? A pick swap for a crappy pick from a contender?

If anyone has more insight, maybe I am misunderstanding, feel free to correct me.

My guess is perceived weak draft and they took the guy they wanted already. Maybe they don't want to fully invest in tanking and try to compete with Wemby + only one rookie + offseason trades or something.

Picks are a complete guess. Very hard to predict so far out, but Gobert/KAT won't be on the team by then, maybe Edwards gets annoyed and wants out.. could be gold by then? But also can be swung to other teams, two firsts that unprotected is nothing to sneeze at. The Phoenix swap that seemed kinda meh for us suddenly is intriguing with their roster moving forward.

[Message Boar]

I like these players, too. Remind me of Houstan and Moe.

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I wasn't their biggest fan, but that's tough for those kids. Honestly, overall me and the nba teams' views were more aligned than they usually are (not you, Milwaukee). Which makes me weirdly nervous.

As for the last couple of picks. Scheierman feels very Celtics-y, but that may just be his complexion. I guess he's a good Hauser replacement once he walks in free agency? Collier is good value but a weird fit with Keyonte and Cody Williams, I guess he's kind of a hard fit anywhere, which is why he fell. Dunn and Shannon are good fits for the Nuggets an Wolves, respectfully, and should be safe bets to play roles. Dunn may get played off the floor in the playoffs if he can't find some offensive game, though. The Timberwolves are the biggest winners of draft night to me with Dillingham and Shannon, incredible considering their starting position (lord knows how bad those future unprotected picks will hurt, though, but I still don't understand what the Spurs were thinking).

[pepe1991]

I dont think we are good enough to be taking high floor no upside picks. Look at MIN trading up to 8. That is the right thing to do.

Nothing makes sense about this deal. Literally must be some sort of favor Spurs owe MIN.

What does Spurs get from this? They are a rebuilding team, that essentially just gave up their 8th pick to a team that is going to be top 5 for years to come.

And for what? A pick swap for a crappy pick from a contender?

If anyone has more insight, maybe I am misunderstanding, feel free to correct me.

My guess is perceived weak draft and they took the guy they wanted already. Maybe they don't want to fully invest in tanking and try to compete with Wemby + only one rookie + offseason trades or something.

Picks are a complete guess. Very hard to predict so far out, but Gobert/KAT won't be on the team by then, maybe Edwards gets annoyed and wants out.. could be gold by then? But also can be swung to other teams, two firsts that unprotected is nothing to sneeze at. The Phoenix swap that seemed kinda meh for us suddenly is intriguing with their roster moving forward.

But trading for picks so far away is hilarious. Like 7 years from now is as far as 2017-18 season was, It was so long ago that Durant was on Warriors, Lebron / Love/ Kyrie in Cavs, Butler on Wolves, Derozan on Raptors.

My best guess is that they did not value this draft at all, and did not want to pay $16M guaranteed over 3 years for player they aren't interested into, so they took first wild deal possible, and you just hope something good turns from that unprotected pick ( but Wolves will also have years to preare for season without pick ).

I'm bit shocked why they passed on Cody Williams, maybe i just overvalue him due his brother being so good

[fendilim]

Nothing makes sense about this deal. Literally must be some sort of favor Spurs owe MIN.

What does Spurs get from this? They are a rebuilding team, that essentially just gave up their 8th pick to a team that is going to be top 5 for years to come.

And for what? A pick swap for a crappy pick from a contender?

If anyone has more insight, maybe I am misunderstanding, feel free to correct me.

My guess is perceived weak draft and they took the guy they wanted already. Maybe they don't want to fully invest in tanking and try to compete with Wemby + only one rookie + offseason trades or something.

Picks are a complete guess. Very hard to predict so far out, but Gobert/KAT won't be on the team by then, maybe Edwards gets annoyed and wants out.. could be gold by then? But also can be swung to other teams, two firsts that unprotected is nothing to sneeze at. The Phoenix swap that seemed kinda meh for us suddenly is intriguing with their roster moving forward.

But trading for picks so far away is hilarious. Like 7 years from now is as far as 2017-18 season was, It was so long ago that Durant was on Warriors, Lebron / Love/ Kyrie in Cavs, Butler on Wolves, Derozan on Raptors.

My best guess is that they did not value this draft at all, and did not want to pay $16M guaranteed over 3 years for player they aren't interested into, so they took first wild deal possible, and you just hope something good turns from that unprotected pick ( but Wolves will also have years to preare for season without pick ).

I'm bit shocked why they passed on Cody Williams, maybe i just overvalue him due his brother being so good

Spurs have devin.

Also, Spurs probably didnt see this draft good enough. Getting 1.5 1sts (.5 cause the other is pick swap), that far away is a good gamble, imo, for the Spurs.

[Message Boar]

I slept through whole draft and oh boy it's an awkward one

Seems like i was right about 1# & 2# pick despite all the smoke screens.

Holland going to Pistons is such an awkward decision imo. They have Ausar, Cade, Ivey and they just continue to add this tall ballhandlers who are not good enough to be PGs and can't play without ball.

Why execlly Blazers drafted center?

Edey going 9th wtf?

ofc Topić was picked by OKC.

Knicks drafting two 6'8- 18 years old back to back makes you wonder how many nba teams are drinking that Ujiri 6'8- philosophy ( and even better question- why? ).

8th pick being traded for picks that won't convert in 6 and 7 years was kind a hilarous, tells you a lot about perception of this draft.


I don't have any strong feelings about Magic pick & Da Silva. Given his age he should probaby at least be in nba, not G league.

- Agree on Pistons

- Ayton isn't a winner, if you can build around defensive center that can hold down the paint and finish lobs, seems like a easier skillset than Ayton to build around

- Edey is biggest mystery in the class and will decide how these throwback centers with good stats do in the NBA in the future. Not sure if it'll work out but maybe worth it?

- Topic's talent I really like... not sure where I see the fit with SGA, Cason, Caruso, Dort.. maybe they move on from one next year.

- Knicks picks are fine since they are hardcore competing. Nobody they pick will get Thibs minutes anyway, why not wait a few years

- Think da Silva will slot in easily for at least 15-20 minutes rookie year, should be intention at least as backup wing

Agreed with most of what both of you wrote. One of the Knicks picks (Kyshawn George) got traded for #51 and a bunch of OKC's second rounders in the upcoming years, if I'm reading this correctly. Dadiet they will keep and develop, I guess they weren't looking to have a rookie in the rotation next year.

[jezzerinho]

Just woke up to the results.

Nobody interesting fell to us so TDS was prob a sound pick.

I personally would have taken Diadet, but TDS would have been a close second i think.

Don't think there would have been a big market for trading down/out of the pick, so not angry we didn't.

Obviously didn't trade it for a player, that would not be very Weltman.

All in all, predictably decent but conservative result.

[shadrock]

Ok, so can we please now start the conversation about Kolek. Hes amazingly still on the board heading into the second round, and without any semblance of doubt he is the best passer in this entire draft class (avg. 8apg). Even if its just to come off the bench, i see him as a low risk high reward guy, who i would be willing to trade up to pick. I actually wanted him at 18 so am shocked hes still there at 31. Oh, and he shoots 39% from 3, is clutch and makes winning defensive plays.

What do you guys think of him? What am i missing here? I struggle to see how this guy on the court would not make life 100 times easier for our stars.

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[jezzerinho]

Just woke up to the results.

Nobody interesting fell to us so TDS was prob a sound pick.

I personally would have taken Diadet, but TDS would have been a close second i think.

Don't think there would have been a big market for trading down/out of the pick, so not angry we didn't.

Obviously didn't trade it for a player, that would not be very Weltman.

All in all, predictably decent but conservative result.

PS Am a big fan of late-growing kids like TDS. He grew from 6'2" to 6'9" post 16yo.

That means he has more rounded skillset but also clearly loves basketball and isn't playing it just because he was born a giant. Two big factors for me.

[RookieStar]

BTW, are weusing this same thread for the SRP?

Might as well right? We know we will be picking Mr. Cash Considerations after all..

[RookieStar]

Ok, so can we please now start the conversation about Kolek. Hes amazingly still on the board heading into the second round, and without any semblance of doubt he is the best passer in this entire draft class (avg. 8apg). Even if its just to come off the bench, i see him as a low risk high reward guy, who i would be willing to trade up to pick. I actually wanted him at 18 so am shocked hes still there at 31. Oh, and he shoots 39% from 3, is clutch and makes winning defensive plays.

What do you guys think of him? What am i missing here? I struggle to see how this guy on the court would not make life 100 times easier for our stars.

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If we ever use this on a player, you know he will be in Oscolea.

Might as well use it on a young raw prospect.

Im good with Smith or Djurisic if ever they fall.

[SOUL]

maybe i'm biased but so many "nba draft guys" will answer questions as to why da silva is graded badly and they'll just be like "just had him lower than others" and mock them as like the 56th best prospect or something random. it's not even like there's tons of terrible tape, the dude shot 50/40/80 for two years straight with functional athleticism and a game that doesn't look like it would take a lot to translate.

even if you mock him as kyle anderson AT BEST, which isn't a crazy high bar, that's probably a 9th to 15th best player in an okay draft, nevermind a terrible one. and is a connector who can shoot at all three levels, cuts well, hits shots in motion and standstill, has good percentages on floaters, has good team defense. like there are obvious athletic flaws and upside that won't be hit but.. yeah.

it's just weird to be like "terrible draft, also this dude that does everything at a pretty good level is my 80th prospect cause he's 23 and uh yeah just dont like him as much as others, btwthis dude who averaged 3 points on 28% shooting on a a B-league team in France is clearly 15 spots better because he's 18 and those shots that went in looked PURE"

[cedric76]

Agreed.

If they aren’t sold on his ability to come in and start as a guy already older than Franz, then they should have taken someone with upside that they can hide and develop (Jett Howard). If Tristan isn’t getting legitimate minutes next season it was a bad pick.

TDS will step right over Jett on the depth chart …not a knock on Jett and certainly not his upside. This a Jaime Jacquez/ high floor/high BBIQ pick, not a raw project

I don't think he takes Jett's minutes. IMO, Ingles is now gone. Also, Houstan needs to beware.

If anything, this solidifies Jett getting his playing time behind Suggs.

PG FA/Trade | Black | Anthony
SG Suggs | Jett
SF Franz | Tristan

Man, if we could somehow get Dejounte Murray I would be soooo happy.

Murray is the perfect fit

Cole+ 3 FRP and a few Srp

[jezzerinho]

maybe i'm biased but so many "nba draft guys" will answer questions as to why da silva is graded badly and they'll just be like "just had him lower than others" and mock them as like the 56th best prospect or something random. it's not even like there's tons of terrible tape, the dude shot 50/40/80 for two years straight with functional athleticism and a game that doesn't look like it would take a lot to translate.

even if you mock him as kyle anderson AT BEST, which isn't a crazy high bar, that's probably a 9th to 15th best player in an okay draft, nevermind a terrible one. and is a connector who can shoot at all three levels, cuts well, hits shots in motion and standstill, has good percentages on floaters, has good team defense. like there are obvious athletic flaws and upside that won't be hit but.. yeah.

it's just weird to be like "terrible draft, also this dude that does everything at a pretty good level is my 80th prospect cause he's 23 and uh yeah just dont like him as much as others, btwthis dude who averaged 3 points on 28% shooting on a a B-league team in France is clearly 15 spots better because he's 18 and those shots that went in looked PURE"

Teehee, that made me chuckle! V true.

[shadrock]

Ok, so can we please now start the conversation about Kolek. Hes amazingly still on the board heading into the second round, and without any semblance of doubt he is the best passer in this entire draft class (avg. 8apg). Even if its just to come off the bench, i see him as a low risk high reward guy, who i would be willing to trade up to pick. I actually wanted him at 18 so am shocked hes still there at 31. Oh, and he shoots 39% from 3, is clutch and makes winning defensive plays.

What do you guys think of him? What am i missing here? I struggle to see how this guy on the court would not make life 100 times easier for our stars.

Watch on YouTube

If we ever use this on a player, you know he will be in Oscolea.

Might as well use it on a young raw prospect.

Im good with Smith or Djurisic if ever they fall.

Why? So that in 4 years when his rookie deal is expired he will maybe be as good as Kolek? Im more excisted about having Kolek on a rookie deal entering his prime and ready to contribute.

[RookieStar]

Ok, so can we please now start the conversation about Kolek. Hes amazingly still on the board heading into the second round, and without any semblance of doubt he is the best passer in this entire draft class (avg. 8apg). Even if its just to come off the bench, i see him as a low risk high reward guy, who i would be willing to trade up to pick. I actually wanted him at 18 so am shocked hes still there at 31. Oh, and he shoots 39% from 3, is clutch and makes winning defensive plays.

What do you guys think of him? What am i missing here? I struggle to see how this guy on the court would not make life 100 times easier for our stars.

Watch on YouTube

If we ever use this on a player, you know he will be in Oscolea.

Might as well use it on a young raw prospect.

Im good with Smith or Djurisic if ever they fall.

Why? So that in 4 years when his rookie deal is expired he will maybe be as good as Kolek? Im more excisted about having Kolek on a rookie deal entering his prime and ready to contribute.

Will Kolek really contribute with us though? Will he or can he play over Suggs , AB , Cole or whoever FA target we sign?

I dunno where i read it but chances are of a SRP being a solid contributer is a very small percentage.

So we might as well roll the dice and reach for thr stars.

[Tarheel]

maybe i'm biased but so many "nba draft guys" will answer questions as to why da silva is graded badly and they'll just be like "just had him lower than others" and mock them as like the 56th best prospect or something random. it's not even like there's tons of terrible tape, the dude shot 50/40/80 for two years straight with functional athleticism and a game that doesn't look like it would take a lot to translate.

even if you mock him as kyle anderson AT BEST, which isn't a crazy high bar, that's probably a 9th to 15th best player in an okay draft, nevermind a terrible one. and is a connector who can shoot at all three levels, cuts well, hits shots in motion and standstill, has good percentages on floaters, has good team defense. like there are obvious athletic flaws and upside that won't be hit but.. yeah.

it's just weird to be like "terrible draft, also this dude that does everything at a pretty good level is my 80th prospect cause he's 23 and uh yeah just dont like him as much as others, btwthis dude who averaged 3 points on 28% shooting on a a B-league team in France is clearly 15 spots better because he's 18 and those shots that went in looked PURE"

They're all searching to be right on the next Giannis or Jokic - praising a low-ceiling/high-floor pick isn't risqué enough for the podcast community.

I really like the TDS pick. The fact that he's 23 is pretty irrelevant, players who don't rely on athleticism have longer peaks and retire later so it's not like you're missing out on time (the chances of any player sticking with the same team their whole career are next to nothing anyway) and if he's going to get minutes and contribute when we're hopefully pushing for the higher end of the Eastern Conference he needs to be ready to play.

I think he's got high-level role player ceiling (I like the Kyle Anderson comp but think TDS will be better) , which is good value at #18. FWIW everyone thought that was Franz's ceiling until he got to the NBA and their games are quite similar, so it will be interesting to see if he can be more than that and if he takes to the pace of the NBA as well as Franz did.

[Skin]

My short Magic Wish List for Day 2

1. Tyler Smith, uber upside
2. Ulrich Chomche, athletic big who might be something
3. N'faly Dante, big man who can legitimately defend the post
4. Trey Alexander, more curious than a believer
4. Cam Christie, love his 3pt shot
5. Ariel Hukporti, why not another German???
6. Bronny James, ok... I'm guilty of wanting Lebon to be our starting PG. Sue me

[drsd]

My short Magic Wish List for Day 2

1. Tyler Smith, uber upside
2. Ulrich Chomche, athletic big who might be something
3. N'faly Dante, big man who can legitimately defend the post
4. Trey Alexander, more curious than a believer
4. Cam Christie, love his 3pt shot
5. Ariel Hukporti, why not another German???
6. Bronny James, ok... I'm guilty of wanting Lebon to be our starting PG. Sue me