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Re: Official 2024-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#761 » by cedric76 » Thu Dec 12, 2024 6:24 am

D J C wrote:I think looking at any trades we have to remember a few things

1, team vision.. we like guys with length, versatility, and that can defend. As much as fans want scorers/shooters, if they’re not a plus defender I don’t think they’re on our radar

2, patience.. this regime has preached patience and eyes to the future, not just what’s best in the now. So any deal is with their fit with the main 3 in mind first and foremost

3, minutes.. we have our core guys that are taking up a lot of our rotation right now

Paolo 34
Franz 34
Suggs 30
KCP 30
Goga 26

WCJ 24
Anthony Black 24
JI 12
Moe 12

That leaves 14 minutes if we don’t trade any rotation players

Wcj can’t be moved, safe to say Devos won’t let JI leave, and Moe isn’t going anywhere.

Highly doubt we move AB past a blockbuster trade.

Do we trade KCP? I don’t think they’re FO would like how that looks in the eyes of future FAs.

So that leaves 14 to 24 minutes (depending how many minutes we take away from KCP/AB) for a combo guard or wing

If we look at options that don’t command big minutes, that can play D, and doesn’t push us past the first apron when extensions kick in

Donte Divincenzo is one of the only players I see fitting all that

Devin Vassell and Desmond Bane are more long shot dreams to take the KCP spot, but that would take AB++, and I don’t think that’s where we’re at



Exactly, and you are not even factoring TDS and Jett getting (needing) PT

Donte would be nice

I honestly think we ll wait it out and see what we have went Paolo and Franz are Both healthy, however it s clear that Cole and Harris are not part of our future
Suggs, AB, Jase
Bane, Melton, Jett
Franz, TDS, Houstan
P5, JI, Panda
Wcj, Goga, Moe
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Re: Official 2024-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#762 » by basketballRob » Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:52 am

D J C wrote:I think looking at any trades we have to remember a few things

1, team vision.. we like guys with length, versatility, and that can defend. As much as fans want scorers/shooters, if they’re not a plus defender I don’t think they’re on our radar

2, patience.. this regime has preached patience and eyes to the future, not just what’s best in the now. So any deal is with their fit with the main 3 in mind first and foremost

3, minutes.. we have our core guys that are taking up a lot of our rotation right now

Paolo 34
Franz 34
Suggs 30
KCP 30
Goga 26

WCJ 24
Anthony Black 24
JI 12
Moe 12

That leaves 14 minutes if we don’t trade any rotation players

Wcj can’t be moved, safe to say Devos won’t let JI leave, and Moe isn’t going anywhere.

Highly doubt we move AB past a blockbuster trade.

Do we trade KCP? I don’t think they’re FO would like how that looks in the eyes of future FAs.

So that leaves 14 to 24 minutes (depending how many minutes we take away from KCP/AB) for a combo guard or wing

If we look at options that don’t command big minutes, that can play D, and doesn’t push us past the first apron when extensions kick in

Donte Divincenzo is one of the only players I see fitting all that

Devin Vassell and Desmond Bane are more long shot dreams to take the KCP spot, but that would take AB++, and I don’t think that’s where we’re at
In a perfect world, all those players are healthy and performing. How often has that happened this season?

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Re: Official 2024-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#763 » by D J C » Thu Dec 12, 2024 12:52 pm

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D J C wrote:I think looking at any trades we have to remember a few things

1, team vision.. we like guys with length, versatility, and that can defend. As much as fans want scorers/shooters, if they’re not a plus defender I don’t think they’re on our radar

2, patience.. this regime has preached patience and eyes to the future, not just what’s best in the now. So any deal is with their fit with the main 3 in mind first and foremost

3, minutes.. we have our core guys that are taking up a lot of our rotation right now

Paolo 34
Franz 34
Suggs 30
KCP 30
Goga 26

WCJ 24
Anthony Black 24
JI 12
Moe 12

That leaves 14 minutes if we don’t trade any rotation players

Wcj can’t be moved, safe to say Devos won’t let JI leave, and Moe isn’t going anywhere.

Highly doubt we move AB past a blockbuster trade.

Do we trade KCP? I don’t think they’re FO would like how that looks in the eyes of future FAs.

So that leaves 14 to 24 minutes (depending how many minutes we take away from KCP/AB) for a combo guard or wing

If we look at options that don’t command big minutes, that can play D, and doesn’t push us past the first apron when extensions kick in

Donte Divincenzo is one of the only players I see fitting all that

Devin Vassell and Desmond Bane are more long shot dreams to take the KCP spot, but that would take AB++, and I don’t think that’s where we’re at
In a perfect world, all those players are healthy and performing. How often has that happened this season?

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Thats without factoring in any minutes for Gary, Cole, TDS, Jett who have all stepped up in minutes with injuries to others

I can understanding wanting to improve the deep bench, upgrading Gary/Cole for when we need a guard to step up. But you can’t trade for someone who makes $10m-$20m a year long term to sit on the bench until someone goes out for a few games

Say we add Cam Johnson, who I’ve been a big proponent of in the past

Right now he’ll get 30+ minutes a game. But in February when Paolo and Franz are back, he’d have to steal minutes from AB and WCJ to just get to 20+ minutes a game.

And as much flack as WCJ gets, the team obviously values him more than fans do given he keeps getting extended. Even if they want to move him, they’re not going to tank his value too much this season and make him harder to move in the offseason.

So i don’t know if im tracking it right, but thats just how i see it from the FO’s eyes. I personally would like to add some more talent and like some of the names thrown around, just don’t think anything more than improving our 9th, 10th man is realistic right now.
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Re: Official 2024-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#764 » by Blue_and_Whte » Thu Dec 12, 2024 1:00 pm

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MasterGMer wrote:I know I am going to ask an unpopular trade: What about LeBron James? Yes, it would take a lot to make the salary work. Yes, there is no way he would want to come to OTown. And he has a no trade clause.

But if we bring his Championship pedigree, can we make a run in the playoff to the NBA Finals? Yes, we are definitely talented enough. We just need experience.

Again, unpopular...


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Post#765 » by RookieStar » Thu Dec 12, 2024 1:54 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:
VFX wrote:
MasterGMer wrote:I know I am going to ask an unpopular trade: What about LeBron James? Yes, it would take a lot to make the salary work. Yes, there is no way he would want to come to OTown. And he has a no trade clause.

But if we bring his Championship pedigree, can we make a run in the playoff to the NBA Finals? Yes, we are definitely talented enough. We just need experience.

Again, unpopular...


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Post#766 » by Skybox » Thu Dec 12, 2024 2:50 pm

ORL sends: Jonathan Isaac, Cole Anthony, Gary Harris, DEN 25 frp, ORL 26 frp (top 10 protected)
NOLA sends: CJ McCollum, Herb Jones

NOLA is in a tailspin so, presuming they’re sticking with Zion, might look to semi-rebuild. Isaac has an excellent contract and fits next to Zion and Ingram very well. Murray’s arrival makes CJ movable, Trey’s ascendance makes moving Herb for assets something to consider. Isaac, while still playing somewhat limited minutes, projects a tremendous defensive presence from perimeter to rim and,imo, would be a terrific, completely unselfish example & mentor for Missi.
Isaac, Missi, Theis
Zion, Robinson-Earl
Ingram, Green
Hawkins,Harris
Murray, Anthony, Alvarado

ORL plays the timeline game with NOLA and comes away ready to contend in the East. Isaac’s defensive chaos is truly valued, but other additions step up in his role (Herb, AB, and KCP are long and defensively fierce enough to fill in). Goga’s emergence as a solid starter frees up WCJ to back up 4&5, along with Mo. Jones is a solid 2-way upgrade to the roster as well. CJ embraces the role and sacrifices to be an integral part of a winning opportunity/environment. He’s a locker room leader and is still a potent enough player to, occasionally, be the best player on the court.

Goga, WCJ, Mo
Paolo, WCJ,TdS
Franz, Herb
KCP, Herb
Suggs, McCollum, AB

*this is a very deep, long, and nasty team. The position chart is almost irrelevant as EVERYONE is multi-positional, other than Goga.
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Re: Official 2024-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#767 » by Idiosyncratic » Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:35 pm

Schroder makes no sense because he's a free agent at the end of the year. We aren't title contenders yet, stars as young as Paolo and Franz don't really win championships. Anything they trade before their actual championship window makes it less likely they win a chip when it's time. Going all in for maybe a 1st round playoff series win or something and subsequently losing a 1st rounder in a deep draft is bad. Not even to mention that Schroder is not that good.

If it's a 2nd for him OK, but a 1st would be awful. If they trade for someone it needs to be someone with multiple years of control or a very cheap shooter. Giving a 1st for a rental in a non-likely title year would be malpractice.
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Post#768 » by KillMonger » Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:45 pm

Got to do something....don't think we can just twiddle our thumbs and watch deadlines pass without improving the team......Cole is on the chopping block for sure, i think he's had enough chances to get back into the rotation....Gary harris should also be on the block but i'm not sure he can be traded until a certain time but i'm not sure on that....JI is tough for me because when he's playing he is very much valuable but man....you come down on your hammy a little bit but even that has you missing like 5 games, then now your conditioning is off again and we have to get you back to game shape...for JI it seems like a never ending cycle of missing time and not ever really getting back to peak shape and conditioning because something else always comes up....Are we past the point of no return with JI? Don't even get me started with Wendell, who is proving my gut feeling right which is we should've never extended him.....

To sum it up, i think a deal should be made simply for some consolidation if anything, obviously you have more to work with if you wait until the off-season but i'm not sure i want to just throw this season away if we can get better this season to try and really make some noise in the playoffs
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Re: Official 2024-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#769 » by Idiosyncratic » Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:51 pm

Skybox wrote:ORL sends: Jonathan Isaac, Cole Anthony, Gary Harris, DEN 25 frp, ORL 26 frp (top 10 protected)
NOLA sends: CJ McCollum, Herb Jones

NOLA is in a tailspin so, presuming they’re sticking with Zion, might look to semi-rebuild. Isaac has an excellent contract and fits next to Zion and Ingram very well. Murray’s arrival makes CJ movable, Trey’s ascendance makes moving Herb for assets something to consider. Isaac, while still playing somewhat limited minutes, projects a tremendous defensive presence from perimeter to rim and,imo, would be a terrific, completely unselfish example & mentor for Missi.
Isaac, Missi, Theis
Zion, Robinson-Earl
Ingram, Green
Hawkins,Harris
Murray, Anthony, Alvarado

ORL plays the timeline game with NOLA and comes away ready to contend in the East. Isaac’s defensive chaos is truly valued, but other additions step up in his role (Herb, AB, and KCP are long and defensively fierce enough to fill in). Goga’s emergence as a solid starter frees up WCJ to back up 4&5, along with Mo. Jones is a solid 2-way upgrade to the roster as well. CJ embraces the role and sacrifices to be an integral part of a winning opportunity/environment. He’s a locker room leader and is still a potent enough player to, occasionally, be the best player on the court.

Goga, WCJ, Mo
Paolo, WCJ,TdS
Franz, Herb
KCP, Herb
Suggs, McCollum, AB

*this is a very deep, long, and nasty team. The position chart is almost irrelevant as EVERYONE is multi-positional, other than Goga.


Herb is a really good target, would be willing to trade multiple 1sts for him. Fits defensive identity of team, low usage player who doesn't take from Paolo/Franz with a good true shooting percentage. Feels foolish for the Pelicans to trade him, but if they're serious then thats a guy who can really help the Magic start making a championship push the next couple of years IMO.

CJ has negative value at this point I would imagine, but is an interesting flyer to soak up some shots in our 2nd unit. Maybe would perform a bit better primarily against back ups. Not a guy I would be interested in alone, but if adding him got Herb I could handle it.
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Post#770 » by VFX » Thu Dec 12, 2024 4:37 pm

Skybox wrote:ORL sends: Jonathan Isaac, Cole Anthony, Gary Harris, DEN 25 frp, ORL 26 frp (top 10 protected)
NOLA sends: CJ McCollum, Herb Jones

NOLA is in a tailspin so, presuming they’re sticking with Zion, might look to semi-rebuild. Isaac has an excellent contract and fits next to Zion and Ingram very well. Murray’s arrival makes CJ movable, Trey’s ascendance makes moving Herb for assets something to consider. Isaac, while still playing somewhat limited minutes, projects a tremendous defensive presence from perimeter to rim and,imo, would be a terrific, completely unselfish example & mentor for Missi.
Isaac, Missi, Theis
Zion, Robinson-Earl
Ingram, Green
Hawkins,Harris
Murray, Anthony, Alvarado

ORL plays the timeline game with NOLA and comes away ready to contend in the East. Isaac’s defensive chaos is truly valued, but other additions step up in his role (Herb, AB, and KCP are long and defensively fierce enough to fill in). Goga’s emergence as a solid starter frees up WCJ to back up 4&5, along with Mo. Jones is a solid 2-way upgrade to the roster as well. CJ embraces the role and sacrifices to be an integral part of a winning opportunity/environment. He’s a locker room leader and is still a potent enough player to, occasionally, be the best player on the court.

Goga, WCJ, Mo
Paolo, WCJ,TdS
Franz, Herb
KCP, Herb
Suggs, McCollum, AB

*this is a very deep, long, and nasty team. The position chart is almost irrelevant as EVERYONE is multi-positional, other than Goga.


I like Herb and Murphy. I just don’t know how available they are. I’d imagine they are part of their rebuild as they move off BI and CJ. I want no part of CJ fwiw. Too old, injuries, expensive, not the right timeline, etc.

I’d do Cole, Jett, and a first for Herb though.

Cole Anthony
Jett Howard
2025 1st

Herb Jones
Jeremiah Robinson-Earl
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Post#771 » by thelead » Thu Dec 12, 2024 4:46 pm

I like Herb… but Murphy would be amazing. I doubt either would be available though.
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Post#772 » by OrlandoDream » Thu Dec 12, 2024 6:48 pm

Herb Jones price tag to high. Im not thrilled much Nola has to offer. Mccollum is on the downtrend and Ingram doesn't fit here.

Nets and Utah are more likely to be trade partners for us. Cam Johnson and Collin Sexton here would feed families.
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Post#773 » by Residual-Heat » Thu Dec 12, 2024 8:03 pm

thelead wrote:I like Herb… but Murphy would be amazing. I doubt either would be available though.

I would give up a lot for Murphy. Like a Mikal Bridges package. Even Black would be on the table.
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Post#774 » by VFX » Thu Dec 12, 2024 9:26 pm

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thelead wrote:I like Herb… but Murphy would be amazing. I doubt either would be available though.

I would give up a lot for Murphy. Like a Mikal Bridges package. Even Black would be on the table.


For Murphy Id do

Anthony Black
Cole Anthony
2025 Denver pick
2025 Orlando pick

and filler on their side for whoever matches salary. Throw in Jett if you want.

Murphy is 24 and averaging 18-20ppg at SG/SF
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Post#775 » by Residual-Heat » Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:08 pm

VFX wrote:
Residual-Heat wrote:
thelead wrote:I like Herb… but Murphy would be amazing. I doubt either would be available though.

I would give up a lot for Murphy. Like a Mikal Bridges package. Even Black would be on the table.


For Murphy Id do

Anthony Black
Cole Anthony
2025 Denver pick
2025 Orlando pick

and filler on their side for whoever matches salary. Throw in Jett if you want.

Murphy is 24 and averaging 18-20ppg at SG/SF

Id probably give up a bit more. Mosley will turn him into an elite defender. The starting line up would be perfect.
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Post#776 » by VFX » Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:13 pm

Residual-Heat wrote:
VFX wrote:
Residual-Heat wrote:I would give up a lot for Murphy. Like a Mikal Bridges package. Even Black would be on the table.


For Murphy Id do

Anthony Black
Cole Anthony
2025 Denver pick
2025 Orlando pick

and filler on their side for whoever matches salary. Throw in Jett if you want.

Murphy is 24 and averaging 18-20ppg at SG/SF

Id probably give up a bit more. Mosley will turn him into an elite defender. The starting line up would be perfect.


Suggs - AB
Murphy - KCP
Franz - TDS
Paolo - JI
Goga - Moe

Throw them Carter too somehow in a three team.
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Post#777 » by three3d » Thu Dec 12, 2024 11:05 pm

Residual-Heat wrote:
VFX wrote:
Residual-Heat wrote:I would give up a lot for Murphy. Like a Mikal Bridges package. Even Black would be on the table.


For Murphy Id do

Anthony Black
Cole Anthony
2025 Denver pick
2025 Orlando pick

and filler on their side for whoever matches salary. Throw in Jett if you want.

Murphy is 24 and averaging 18-20ppg at SG/SF

Id probably give up a bit more. Mosley will turn him into an elite defender. The starting line up would be perfect.


Wow didn’t realize he was 6’8” :o that would look sick next to two 6’10” forwards
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Post#778 » by MasterGMer » Fri Dec 13, 2024 12:07 am

Just read an article on Athletics about the state of being in Washington Wizards right now.

I just do not know why nobody talked about Jordan Poole or Kyle Kuzma yet on trade board? They are not winning players? Or too expensive?

Actually I wish Orlando Magic run it back before trade deadline and bet on huge coming 2025 NBA Draft. We probably hold two 20+ range FRPs. Maybe we package it to trade up and draft some nice young player. (Definitely not Cooper Flagg)

But if we've got to move someone, I actually think it could be Cole or Harris. I am a Cole fan tbh. I just didn't know why his shots were not falling when it usually did just years back. Is it that his mind is not in the game given the rise of Jalen Suggs and AB? idk.

Now with Franz out, we need AB and Cole to step up. All of us want trades, why? Because we are fans. But actually I think what is best for the team is to run it back. We have so many resources and capitals. If all we want is to W the ultimate one, maybe wait till 2025 Summer
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Post#779 » by RichCollab » Fri Dec 13, 2024 1:33 am

three3d wrote:
Residual-Heat wrote:
VFX wrote:
For Murphy Id do

Anthony Black
Cole Anthony
2025 Denver pick
2025 Orlando pick

and filler on their side for whoever matches salary. Throw in Jett if you want.

Murphy is 24 and averaging 18-20ppg at SG/SF

Id probably give up a bit more. Mosley will turn him into an elite defender. The starting line up would be perfect.


Wow didn’t realize he was 6’8” :o that would look sick next to two 6’10” forwards


Trey Murphy signed an extension and can’t be traded until after the season.
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Post#780 » by byeganyo » Fri Dec 13, 2024 2:26 am

VFX wrote:
Skybox wrote:ORL sends: Jonathan Isaac, Cole Anthony, Gary Harris, DEN 25 frp, ORL 26 frp (top 10 protected)
NOLA sends: CJ McCollum, Herb Jones

NOLA is in a tailspin so, presuming they’re sticking with Zion, might look to semi-rebuild. Isaac has an excellent contract and fits next to Zion and Ingram very well. Murray’s arrival makes CJ movable, Trey’s ascendance makes moving Herb for assets something to consider. Isaac, while still playing somewhat limited minutes, projects a tremendous defensive presence from perimeter to rim and,imo, would be a terrific, completely unselfish example & mentor for Missi.
Isaac, Missi, Theis
Zion, Robinson-Earl
Ingram, Green
Hawkins,Harris
Murray, Anthony, Alvarado

ORL plays the timeline game with NOLA and comes away ready to contend in the East. Isaac’s defensive chaos is truly valued, but other additions step up in his role (Herb, AB, and KCP are long and defensively fierce enough to fill in). Goga’s emergence as a solid starter frees up WCJ to back up 4&5, along with Mo. Jones is a solid 2-way upgrade to the roster as well. CJ embraces the role and sacrifices to be an integral part of a winning opportunity/environment. He’s a locker room leader and is still a potent enough player to, occasionally, be the best player on the court.

Goga, WCJ, Mo
Paolo, WCJ,TdS
Franz, Herb
KCP, Herb
Suggs, McCollum, AB

*this is a very deep, long, and nasty team. The position chart is almost irrelevant as EVERYONE is multi-positional, other than Goga.


I like Herb and Murphy. I just don’t know how available they are. I’d imagine they are part of their rebuild as they move off BI and CJ. I want no part of CJ fwiw. Too old, injuries, expensive, not the right timeline, etc.

I’d do Cole, Jett, and a first for Herb though.

Cole Anthony
Jett Howard
2025 1st

Herb Jones
Jeremiah Robinson-Earl


CJ is an elite 3pt shooter (top 25 all time in 3pt made at 40%) and good enough ball handler - so basically what we are missing and both skills dont die off so easily. He is averaging 68 games a season in the past 3 years, so hardly injury plagued. Really at this point we should stop looking for projects and start getting instant upgrades.

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