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2025 NBA Draft

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#761 » by Idiosyncratic » Mon Apr 14, 2025 3:56 pm

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Idiosyncratic wrote:Magic pick 24 if Denver wins?

Pick 24 of late is actually littered with guys who have been suggested for the Magic. Simons, Jerome and Tyus Jones were all recent 24 picks.



Great...let's trade it for one of those guys.


Let me ask the scary question. Is there a world where we trade both our picks + Black OR Suggs for a REAL PG in this draft should we believe one is actually viable?


You mean trade up? Don't think a PG exists in this draft that is worth that for this team except Harper. Fears I like longterm and in theory would move both picks to take him, but he is going to take some time, doesn't fix the issue immediately.

If you mean trade for a PG with multiple picks my question would just be who? If we could trade both picks and have the PG position solved for a couple of years with a player who also financially fit we would be fools not to do that. That is like the ideal solution for this team, but the problem is who is available that does that? Guys like Simons and Sexton will only cost 1 pick and it's debatable how PG-like they are as well. I just currently have trouble seeing who available is worth multiple picks and fixes the issue longterm. I've liked Reaves for a while, but assuming he even gets traded (doubt) I now currently believe there is no way we are affording that extension. Big Booker or Trae Young swings? Possible if they want to move Suggs, my guess they wait a year before making that choice.

I just think the current likely option is trade for a stopgap option that is better than CoJo while AB and whoever we draft continue to develop.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#762 » by eyriq » Mon Apr 14, 2025 3:58 pm

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basketballRob wrote:I disagree and think Black can be a PG. When Cole went down and it was only Cory and Black, they combined for 48 mpg at PG and put up great stats. When Cole came back, he screwed everything up, and Black had to play off the ball again. It was 16 games ago when Cole went out.

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A point guard that barely averages 3 assists per game and loses a starting spot to a 35 year old semi-retired player?

No, Anthony Black is not a “point guard” as much as Franz Wagner isn’t a point guard.

There are no starting level point guards on this roster and won’t be until one is acquired.
How many PGs are 20-21 years old this season and starting in the playoffs? How many have started that age in the last 25 years?

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#763 » by JoshuaPotter » Mon Apr 14, 2025 3:58 pm

basketballRob wrote:
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basketballRob wrote:I disagree and think Black can be a PG. When Cole went down and it was only Cory and Black, they combined for 48 mpg at PG and put up great stats. When Cole came back, he screwed everything up, and Black had to play off the ball again. It was 16 games ago when Cole went out.

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A point guard that barely averages 3 assists per game and loses a starting spot to a 35 year old semi-retired player?

No, Anthony Black is not a “point guard” as much as Franz Wagner isn’t a point guard.

There are no starting level point guards on this roster and won’t be until one is acquired.
How many PGs are 20-21 this season and starting in the playoffs? How many have started that age in the last 25 years?

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Again, I think Black is an NBA player. Undisputed. I just don't see starting PG chops from him right now. Not sure what I am seeing is PG at all. Maybe this is Mose fault, or the lack of a scheme, I simply do not know.

Do I think he can defend potentially 1-5? Yes. Do I think he is starting material? Yes, and I think other teams would share my optimism. The question becomes, is he a PG in the purest sense. No. Not at all. I'll eat the crow if it happens. My big issue here is that if we were developing him as a PG both Mose and management get an "F" grade from me.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#764 » by VFX » Mon Apr 14, 2025 4:31 pm

basketballRob wrote:
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basketballRob wrote:I disagree and think Black can be a PG. When Cole went down and it was only Cory and Black, they combined for 48 mpg at PG and put up great stats. When Cole came back, he screwed everything up, and Black had to play off the ball again. It was 16 games ago when Cole went out.

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A point guard that barely averages 3 assists per game and loses a starting spot to a 35 year old semi-retired player?

No, Anthony Black is not a “point guard” as much as Franz Wagner isn’t a point guard.

There are no starting level point guards on this roster and won’t be until one is acquired.
How many PGs are 20-21 years old this season and starting in the playoffs? How many have started that age in the last 25 years?

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Is AB starting in the playoffs? How do you know this?

Corey Joseph started the last 15 games of the regular season over Black. :lol:

AB is an NBA player. Point guard? Nah.

None of this information makes him a point guard. It makes you look emotional like Eyriq
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#765 » by VFX » Mon Apr 14, 2025 4:34 pm

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A point guard that barely averages 3 assists per game and loses a starting spot to a 35 year old semi-retired player?

No, Anthony Black is not a “point guard” as much as Franz Wagner isn’t a point guard.

There are no starting level point guards on this roster and won’t be until one is acquired.
How many PGs are 20-21 years old this season and starting in the playoffs? How many have started that age in the last 25 years?

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Post#766 » by eyriq » Mon Apr 14, 2025 4:38 pm

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basketballRob wrote:How many PGs are 20-21 years old this season and starting in the playoffs? How many have started that age in the last 25 years?

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#767 » by yoyojw17 » Mon Apr 14, 2025 4:40 pm

What do you'll think about Liam McNeely?

Down season shooting wise with little help .... but 5 star potential coming out of Monteverde with cooper.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#768 » by eyriq » Mon Apr 14, 2025 4:44 pm

yoyojw17 wrote:What do you'll think about Liam McNeely?

Down season shooting wise with little help .... but 5 star potential coming out of Monteverde with cooper.
He's a perfect fit in terms of a forward who can shoot lights out. That said he had a very poor freshman year and he struggled to shoot in any actions beyond catch and shoot. I think he had an ankle injury though so maybe you can buy low and get a great shooter.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#769 » by yoyojw17 » Mon Apr 14, 2025 5:22 pm

eyriq wrote:
yoyojw17 wrote:What do you'll think about Liam McNeely?

Down season shooting wise with little help .... but 5 star potential coming out of Monteverde with cooper.
He's a perfect fit in terms of a forward who can shoot lights out. That said he had a very poor freshman year and he struggled to shoot in any actions beyond catch and shoot. I think he had an ankle injury though so maybe you can buy low and get a great shooter.


That's kinda what i'm wondering about. a player that might have done substantially better if X,Y,Z went differently.... things that could be fixed just by being on another team.... or healthy. Especially when picking mid round.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#770 » by eyriq » Mon Apr 14, 2025 5:29 pm

yoyojw17 wrote:
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yoyojw17 wrote:What do you'll think about Liam McNeely?

Down season shooting wise with little help .... but 5 star potential coming out of Monteverde with cooper.
He's a perfect fit in terms of a forward who can shoot lights out. That said he had a very poor freshman year and he struggled to shoot in any actions beyond catch and shoot. I think he had an ankle injury though so maybe you can buy low and get a great shooter.


That's kinda what i'm wondering about. a player that might have done substantially better if X,Y,Z went differently.... things that could be fixed just by being on another team.... or healthy. Especially when picking mid round.
When I think about addressing our biggest needs the idea of leaving this draft with Clayton and McNeeley is very appealing.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#771 » by RichCollab » Mon Apr 14, 2025 5:35 pm

eyriq wrote:
yoyojw17 wrote:
eyriq wrote:He's a perfect fit in terms of a forward who can shoot lights out. That said he had a very poor freshman year and he struggled to shoot in any actions beyond catch and shoot. I think he had an ankle injury though so maybe you can buy low and get a great shooter.


That's kinda what i'm wondering about. a player that might have done substantially better if X,Y,Z went differently.... things that could be fixed just by being on another team.... or healthy. Especially when picking mid round.
When I think about addressing our biggest needs the idea of leaving this draft with Clayton and McNeeley is very appealing.


I would argue experience is our biggest need and adding two rookies doesn’t appeal to me at all.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#772 » by eyriq » Mon Apr 14, 2025 5:41 pm

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That's kinda what i'm wondering about. a player that might have done substantially better if X,Y,Z went differently.... things that could be fixed just by being on another team.... or healthy. Especially when picking mid round.
When I think about addressing our biggest needs the idea of leaving this draft with Clayton and McNeeley is very appealing.


I would argue experience is our biggest need and adding two rookies doesn’t appeal to me at all.
I doubt we draft expecting these rookies to fill roles in the rotation. Maybe Clayton but I won't be disappointed if he's getting lots of burn in Osceola. I think the path that Jett and Houstan have taken is more representative of what we'll see going forward. Every NBA team has a g-league affiliate now.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#773 » by RookieStar » Mon Apr 14, 2025 8:36 pm

eyriq wrote:
yoyojw17 wrote:
eyriq wrote:He's a perfect fit in terms of a forward who can shoot lights out. That said he had a very poor freshman year and he struggled to shoot in any actions beyond catch and shoot. I think he had an ankle injury though so maybe you can buy low and get a great shooter.


That's kinda what i'm wondering about. a player that might have done substantially better if X,Y,Z went differently.... things that could be fixed just by being on another team.... or healthy. Especially when picking mid round.
When I think about addressing our biggest needs the idea of leaving this draft with Clayton and McNeeley is very appealing.


a 5star sweet shooting forward that has a catch and shoot ability... he also had a bad rookie year? hmmmm that sounds kinda familiar.....
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#774 » by eyriq » Mon Apr 14, 2025 8:39 pm

RookieStar wrote:
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yoyojw17 wrote:
That's kinda what i'm wondering about. a player that might have done substantially better if X,Y,Z went differently.... things that could be fixed just by being on another team.... or healthy. Especially when picking mid round.
When I think about addressing our biggest needs the idea of leaving this draft with Clayton and McNeeley is very appealing.


a 5star sweet shooting forward that has a catch and shoot ability... he also had a bad rookie year? hmmmm that sounds kinda familiar.....
Hey, Houstan is proving me wrong! I'll take another of his ilk.
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Post#775 » by VFX » Mon Apr 14, 2025 8:44 pm

yoyojw17 wrote:What do you'll think about Liam McNeely?

Down season shooting wise with little help .... but 5 star potential coming out of Monteverde with cooper.


I think he's a player that would get 0 minutes on next years roster if Weltman doesn't make trades, which he doesn't.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#776 » by KillMonger » Mon Apr 14, 2025 8:51 pm

Bringing up Black's assists per game on a team when both your forwards have 30+ % usage is kinda wild..... What point guard would have a high number of assists in that scenario?

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Post#777 » by eyriq » Mon Apr 14, 2025 9:05 pm

KillMonger wrote:Bringing up Black's assists per game on a team when both your forwards have 30+ % usage is kinda wild..... What point guard would have a high number of assists in that scenario?

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AB has not gotten a fair chance by many Magic fans imo. Why do you think that is?
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Post#778 » by KillMonger » Mon Apr 14, 2025 9:17 pm

eyriq wrote:
KillMonger wrote:Bringing up Black's assists per game on a team when both your forwards have 30+ % usage is kinda wild..... What point guard would have a high number of assists in that scenario?

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AB has not gotten a fair chance by many Magic fans imo. Why do you think that is?
Impatience really, Paolo and Franz spoiled people into thinking young players are supposed to be good right away.... They forgot that what Paolo and Franz are doing and have done already isn't normal.... As my pops would say, sometimes they just need a bit more time in the oven

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Post#779 » by MasterGMer » Tue Apr 15, 2025 3:23 am

yoyojw17 wrote:What do you'll think about Liam McNeely?

Down season shooting wise with little help .... but 5 star potential coming out of Monteverde with cooper.


What kind of player is he? He shot 38% from his FG%. I know he is a freshman. But still. That is not pretty stats.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#780 » by GelbeWand09 » Tue Apr 15, 2025 6:23 am

VFX wrote:
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basketballRob wrote:How many PGs are 20-21 years old this season and starting in the playoffs? How many have started that age in the last 25 years?

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