Official Speculation Thread (Pt.XXXIX Off-Season Edition)

[InFlames]

Dwight is mad because he didn't get to fly in the private team jet to LA for his surgery. He doesn't care about Rob's plan.

And that speaks volumes. if his gripe is that Alex didn't pay enough attention to him, there were a few other things going on - you know, playoffs, firing coaches and GMs, hiring a GM and front office staff, nothing big.

or maybe he's mad because he asked for changes a year ago, and the team's response since then was to ignore his request for changes, give him an ultimatum about extending, and to have barbs at him in the media?

Every trade Otis made Dwight endorsed. They didn't work, but Orlando definitely tried.

Dwight had a bbq where he told Magic fans not to worry about his contract, and that he would do everything he could to make sure they were never knocked out in the first round again, then proceeded to demand a trade before the start of the season.

[RickB-Orlando]

From the way it sounds, we interviewed the top two prospects that most people wanted - Shaw and Malone - and decided to pass.

who knows, maybe Malone and Shaw turn into Marc Iavaroni 2.0.... I mean, none of these guys have head coaching experience in the nba outside of Michael Curry... I'll support whoever we hire until proven otherwise. As long as we don't get Johnny Davis 2.0

I agree, let's see what happens. From what Pop has said, Jacque Vaughn could be a sleeper candidate.

I have to think Shaw must be a bad interviewee, given the number of interviews he has had, and nothing come of it. Who knows with Malone, maybe his take on things just didn't match Henny's vision for things.

[OrlandO]

[Nyce_1]

latest Jacque Vaughn video:

http://www.nba.com/spurs/video/2012/07/ ... ov-2157270

[Bensational]

As mhec pointed out you are glossing over Tmacs troubles with Houston, and SHaq was a major pain in the a$$ for LA, Miami, and Phoenix after initial honeymoon's

And I fundamentally disagree with your assertion that Dwight didn't get any changes - they may have been ineffective changes but to say that Magic management wasn't responsive to him is being willfully ignorant - IMO

they're failed comparisons, because you're comparing someone who's struggling to accept the limitations of their abilities to someone who's still one of the best players in the league and in his prime. comparing their later issues to their issues with the Magic doesn't match up either, since when they left they were still healthy and performing strongly.

maybe you can show me the changes the Magic made outside of acquiring Glen Davis, then?

[Nyce_1]

[Rick Rolled]

From the way it sounds, we interviewed the top two prospects that most people wanted - Shaw and Malone - and decided to pass.

who knows, maybe Malone and Shaw turn into Marc Iavaroni 2.0.... I mean, none of these guys have head coaching experience in the nba outside of Michael Curry... I'll support whoever we hire until proven otherwise. As long as we don't get Johnny Davis 2.0

I agree, let's see what happens. From what Pop has said, Jacque Vaughn could be a sleeper candidate.

I have to think Shaw must be a bad interviewee, given the number of interviews he has had, and nothing come of it. Who knows with Malone, maybe his take on things just didn't match Henny's vision for things.

yeah, I'm actually rooting for Jacque to get the gig, especially after reading the pop quotes.

[BrianEvansfor3]

[YosemiteSam]

From the way it sounds, we interviewed the top two prospects that most people wanted - Shaw and Malone - and decided to pass.

who knows, maybe Malone and Shaw turn into Marc Iavaroni 2.0.... I mean, none of these guys have head coaching experience in the nba outside of Michael Curry... I'll support whoever we hire until proven otherwise. As long as we don't get Johnny Davis 2.0

I agree, let's see what happens. From what Pop has said, Jacque Vaughn could be a sleeper candidate.

I have to think Shaw must be a bad interviewee, given the number of interviews he has had, and nothing come of it. Who knows with Malone, maybe his take on things just didn't match Henny's vision for things.

True. What if Henny said "We're going to hold onto Dwight going into your first season with every media member basically asking about it all the time and every player on your team wondering if they might be traded at any moment and Dwight and his various "sources" taking shots at the team at every possible opportunity. How would you describe your coaching style in this situation? Hey, why are you leaving? It was just a hypothetical. Can we say you didn't make the finalists list???????"

[RickB-Orlando]

As mhec pointed out you are glossing over Tmacs troubles with Houston, and SHaq was a major pain in the a$$ for LA, Miami, and Phoenix after initial honeymoon's

And I fundamentally disagree with your assertion that Dwight didn't get any changes - they may have been ineffective changes but to say that Magic management wasn't responsive to him is being willfully ignorant - IMO

I totally agree with this. The team has spent money, made moves, and had good success. We made a run to the finals, an ECF appearance, and then a down year (2011, first round exit)followed by this season's abortion, which was effectively engineered by Dwight himself.

Are changes needed? Sure, no one is saying they aren't, but it's not like we were in the same situation as Toronto (with all due respect to Raps fans).

[Nyce_1]

Intro press conference of Houston's 2012 draft picks

http://www.nba.com/rockets/video/2012/0 ... OV-2142343

[JigenDaisuke]

Dwight is listening to the wrong people. He's let fame get to his head. And there's so many people that want to take advantage of him. He's looking for excuses to leave just like Shaq tried to claim the news paper offended him with their poll about his salary. Dwight just wants to move on. I'm over it now. We just need to move him and start over.

[RickB-Orlando]

From what Pop has said, Jacque Vaughn could be a sleeper candidate.

I have to think Shaw must be a bad interviewee, given the number of interviews he has had, and nothing come of it. Who knows with Malone, maybe his take on things just didn't match Henny's vision for things.

True. What if Henny said "We're going to hold onto Dwight going into your first season with every media member basically asking about it all the time and every player on your team wondering if they might be traded at any moment and Dwight and his various "sources" taking shots at the team at every possible opportunity. How would you describe your coaching style in this situation? Hey, why are you leaving? It was just a hypothetical. Can we say you didn't make the finalists list???????"

LOL. I hope that's not Henny's vision, but could be I suppose...

[InFlames]

Intro press conference of Houston's 2012 draft picks

http://www.nba.com/rockets/video/2012/0 ... OV-2142343

Has Houston signed them?

[YosemiteSam]

As mhec pointed out you are glossing over Tmacs troubles with Houston, and SHaq was a major pain in the a$$ for LA, Miami, and Phoenix after initial honeymoon's

And I fundamentally disagree with your assertion that Dwight didn't get any changes - they may have been ineffective changes but to say that Magic management wasn't responsive to him is being willfully ignorant - IMO

they're failed comparisons, because you're comparing someone who's struggling to accept the limitations of their abilities to someone who's still one of the best players in the league and in his prime. comparing their later issues to their issues with the Magic doesn't match up either, since when they left they were still healthy and performing strongly.

maybe you can show me the changes the Magic made outside of acquiring Glen Davis, then?

Depends on your timeframd I guess. I consider the Arenas trade, the Phoneix trade, getting VC, matching Redick, matching Gortat indicators of responsiveness to Dwight's demands

[Bensational]

Every trade Otis made Dwight endorsed. They didn't work, but Orlando definitely tried.

Dwight had a bbq where he told Magic fans not to worry about his contract, and that he would do everything he could to make sure they were never knocked out in the first round again, then proceeded to demand a trade before the start of the season.

they didn't try last season. they brought in BBD and gave up after that.

[Nyce_1]

Intro press conference of Houston's 2012 draft picks

http://www.nba.com/rockets/video/2012/0 ... OV-2142343

Has Houston signed them?

no.

[InFlames]

As mhec pointed out you are glossing over Tmacs troubles with Houston, and SHaq was a major pain in the a$$ for LA, Miami, and Phoenix after initial honeymoon's

And I fundamentally disagree with your assertion that Dwight didn't get any changes - they may have been ineffective changes but to say that Magic management wasn't responsive to him is being willfully ignorant - IMO

they're failed comparisons, because you're comparing someone who's struggling to accept the limitations of their abilities to someone who's still one of the best players in the league and in his prime. comparing their later issues to their issues with the Magic doesn't match up either, since when they left they were still healthy and performing strongly.

maybe you can show me the changes the Magic made outside of acquiring Glen Davis, then?

There weren't any changes that could be made by that point.

[Nyce_1]

Rockets playing summer league now.

http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/128385/ ... ba-tv.html

[Bensational]

As mhec pointed out you are glossing over Tmacs troubles with Houston, and SHaq was a major pain in the a$$ for LA, Miami, and Phoenix after initial honeymoon's

And I fundamentally disagree with your assertion that Dwight didn't get any changes - they may have been ineffective changes but to say that Magic management wasn't responsive to him is being willfully ignorant - IMO

they're failed comparisons, because you're comparing someone who's struggling to accept the limitations of their abilities to someone who's still one of the best players in the league and in his prime. comparing their later issues to their issues with the Magic doesn't match up either, since when they left they were still healthy and performing strongly.

maybe you can show me the changes the Magic made outside of acquiring Glen Davis, then?

Depends on your timeframd I guess. I consider the Arenas trade, the Phoneix trade, getting VC, matching Redick, matching Gortat indicators of responsiveness to Dwight's demands

my time frame goes back to the point when Dwight started publicly saying he was going to make sure we made changes - after the round one knockout by the Hawks.

i don't think the VC trade/ matching JJ and Gortat were the result of any demand from Dwight, they were done so from the demand of common sense, considering we'd just come off a finals run and if Otis had let the team fall apart it would have been inexcusable.

the Arenas trade was probably a result of a demand from Dwight, but that doesn't mean you draw the line there. Otis shouldn't need Dwight going to him, telling him the team's not working and that we need to make changes and improvements. the fact that Otis held steadfast with his roster last season was enough indication that he thought he'd put together a winner. i don't understand how anybody could defend that, or pretend we did enough last season to try and suggest we made changes.