Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15

[pepe1991]

Why are people **** on Cole for either executing the play being called or making the right play (hand off to a trailing TRoss). Is this bad?
"Did you see him make the right read on that play, what an IDIOT." WTF is wrong with this fan base?

Your montage of him making the right pass to the guy who's literally keeping us in games is not a measure of his or anyone's ability to make players around them better.

Wait a second.

I didn't say anything . if you move 2 pages back, there was page- long post from Makaveli7 claiming that Terrence Ross is now FINALLY getting " GREAT LOOKS" because it's DJ Augustin forced him to play "isolation 2 on 1 and shoot" and now, with Cole Anthony, he finally thrives as Cole finds him with some amazing passes.

So Knightro first, me second, posted what actually is going on in game. Regardless who is passing to Ross, DJ, Cole, your grandmom, my grandfather, his shots still come down to his execution, and have nothing to do with alleged "playmaking" of passer.
This isn't playmaking. This is making basic pass where Ross, and in lesser exstend Birch, is doing everything. That entery pass cold have been made by blind person, would still make no difference to outcome of play. And if you were reading further, i pointed out that he is using Ross hot streak to make overarhing point how somehow Ross being uber-hot is all to Cole's credit.

Don't bust my nuts before reading everything that is going on.

Since a preseason , i still gave zero opinions on Cole or Okeke. During preseason my only rookie related comment is me saying Okeke isn't SF. Witch is very obvious.

I read bits of it but honestly I can't read your wall of text most of the time. Yes Ross gets hot on his own regardless of whos passing the ball. But you added "never make anyone around them better" for no reason and based on nothing and thats what I get most annoyed about. He does other things that you dont bring up like keeping rebounds alive leading to extra points for example, so he's not just out there taking bad shots and making simple passes within the offensive scheme. Matter of fact his rebounding is a nice surprise.

That wasn't directed to Cole. I posted video in effort to debunk " his playmaking unlocked Ross" previous claims.
My comment was more toward guys like Harden/Westbrook/ LIllard/McCulum, who get assist count but never make anybody around them better, as assist numbers are not valid - playmaking -setting offense data. It's easiest data to manipulate. There was joke among OKC fans that players who play with Westbrook only touch ball until he reached "10 assist " count,and after it, they won't touch it until game is over.

[The Effect]

Hahahahahaaaaa, "no ground in reality"???

What about the other 500 out of 800+ shots that he dribbled and danced around in order to get his crazy shots off because no reliable passer was around?

Pepe, why don't you try to stop cherry-picking everything that fits your narrative from statistics and try to trust your eyes or feel for the game. The whole story is NOT told by the stats line exclusively, you especially tend to trust it too much.

If you have played organized basketball professionally at any level, which I highly doubt, you would be able to understand.
Otherwise....sorry!

For start, you failed at first grade math, if over 420 shots he took were with 0 -1 dribble, it makes 50% of all his shots takend with 0-1 dribble, witch means he never had chance to take "500 out of 800 + shots" because he only took 846, and 420 were - with, at most single dribble

Second, every time i hear somebody calling out for eye test, it simply means he lacks any tengable proof to confirm his claims.

You claimed that Ross "had to face two defenders in iso situations" so i went back to check, how many iso plays, Terrence Ross, over span of one year actually had, that ended with him shooting.
And... wait for it....

waaaiiiiit for it.

21 total.

So iso SHOT ATTEMPS made grand total of epic 2,48% of ALL SHOTS HE TOOK.


As i've said, your claim, has no ground in reality, matter of fact it just proves that "eye test " is as usless as submarine with screen doors.

I think no one can help you, Pepe. You are in love with interpreting empty and misleading (sometimes useless) statistics and use them as a tool to convince and talk other people into believing something wrong.

You were the "jumping to conclusions" unhappy person who 'preached' that Cole would be a bust ... and the next failed Magic pick ... and an "ineffective chucker" ... and "bad playmaker" ... and "turnover machine" ... and so on and on, and all this without even seeing him in a Magic uni.

I thought we were trying to have a reasonable discussion, "jumping to conclusions". Come on man, really? YOU are telling me this??? hahahahaaaaa

I'm 100% convinced pepe hasn't watched any basketball and just spends all his time on fivethirtyeight.com and synergy sports websites and act like he knows basketball

[MagicFan101]

I'm 100% convinced pepe hasn't watched any basketball and just spends all his time on fivethirtyeight.com and synergy sports websites and act like he knows basketball

Get in line. Many have come to that same conclusion.

[pepe1991]

I'm 100% convinced pepe hasn't watched any basketball and just spends all his time on fivethirtyeight.com and synergy sports websites and act like he knows basketball

Get in line. Many have come to that same conclusion.

New level of "no arguments, personal jabs"

Maybe you should stop watching because you clearly don't understand anything you see?

Maybe we should start petition for "subtitles in live games so dummies can follow "

Probably wouldn't help

[Knightro]

It's perfectly acceptable for anyone on the board to be encouraged with Anthony's week 1 play, but also not falling over themselves at the same time over his playmaking skills when over 60% of his assists are him standing flat footed and hitting a red shot jump shooter running away from the basket.

Because that's where I'm at.

Anthony has played hard and hasn't been a wild selfish gunner which are both very encouraging signs.

I just don't necessarily think his assist numbers have been particularly reflective of his actual ability to create good shots for others.

[Blue_and_Whte]

It's perfectly acceptable for anyone on the board to be encouraged with Anthony's week 1 play, but also not falling over themselves at the same time over his playmaking skills when over 60% of his assists are him standing flat footed and hitting a red shot jump shooter running away from the basket.

Because that's where I'm at.

Anthony has played hard and hasn't been a wild selfish gunner which are both very encouraging signs.

I just don't necessarily think his assist numbers have been particularly reflective of his actual ability to create good shots for others.

I was never expecting him to be that creative of a passer anyway. we needed scoring and thats exactly what he brings. I'm fine with his basic ability to execute in the offense if thats what you want to call it.

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Let’s calm down now. Cole looks decent, but we don’t know what the ceiling is yet. He’s working well as a spark off the bench behind Fultz for a previously anemic one-dimensional second unit.

I’m not making grand proclamations on rookies yet (good or bad)... because... well.. they’re rookies.

Cole Anthony fills in for DJ. He’s going to get a very green light considering Orlando’s bench is still arguably trash, outside of Ross; who by all measures should be a starter on most nights.

[RookieStar]

Agree with all, and disagree with all as well to put it simply.

Cole has been a nice surprise yes. This coming from a Duke fan who didn't like UNC and especially when we faced them.

Cole making his teammates better? Remains to be seen. I don't really see the pass/assist skill yet. Is it because he plays with the 2nd unit and the only reliable scorer is Ross? Maybe.

Cole makes winning plays? Especially over DJ? This is a personal opinion due to MY "eye test" and its a yes. His rebounding skill already supplants DJ, his ability to drive through the lane ( and admit it, those were fouls not called so Cole got screwed a lot )and score over DJ who most likely was/were blocked a lot is another.

Again, this is ALL based on the pickup.. I mean preseason games and the first 3 games we had ( which is probably a preseason game for most NBA players ). Cole is probably being used as the PG version of TRoss, a flame on bench weapon team's use.

[SOUL]

Personally I've found very little to complain about with Cole. I have very low expectations with rookies and knowing his playstyle, I've been happy with some of the passes he has made like the ones to Birch and MCW. Great rebounder and fighter. Obviously doesn't take great shots all the time, but very few people on this team do.

I see a lot of other rookies play and they don't look as composed or fight as hard, or look like a deer in headlights. We can nitpick but for the 15th pick, we should be pretty happy so far.

[GameOver25]

It's perfectly acceptable for anyone on the board to be encouraged with Anthony's week 1 play, but also not falling over themselves at the same time over his playmaking skills when over 60% of his assists are him standing flat footed and hitting a red shot jump shooter running away from the basket.

Because that's where I'm at.

Anthony has played hard and hasn't been a wild selfish gunner which are both very encouraging signs.

I just don't necessarily think his assist numbers have been particularly reflective of his actual ability to create good shots for others.

I was never expecting him to be that creative of a passer anyway. we needed scoring and thats exactly what he brings. I'm fine with his basic ability to execute in the offense if thats what you want to call it.

This.
Can't we all just get along?
No?
Ok, I was hopeful.
Not really.
Continue with the bickering.
Bye.

[fendilim]

[RookieStar]

Hmmm you think we could be better of with Hayes? Lol

[cedric76]

Magic don't leak any info, so nothing to ser here, just a kid posting on social media

However i m. Sure that we looked at many players and he could have been one of them

[fendilim]

Magic don't leak any info, so nothing to ser here, just a kid posting on social media

However i m. Sure that we looked at many players and he could have been one of them

Watch on YouTube

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Magic don't leak any info, so nothing to ser here, just a kid posting on social media

However i m. Sure that we looked at many players and he could have been one of them

Watch on YouTube

I believe it and I think he’ll be a great player.

[fendilim]

Magic don't leak any info, so nothing to ser here, just a kid posting on social media

However i m. Sure that we looked at many players and he could have been one of them

Watch on YouTube

I believe it and I think he’ll be a great player.

If you watched the vid, i think it was mentioned we were in talks with Boston for Hayward also.

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Watch on YouTube

I believe it and I think he’ll be a great player.

If you watched the vid, i think it was mentioned we were in talks with Boston for Hayward also.

Yeah, I watched it. I laughed when he said Orlando didn’t have the assets to make it happen.

[jonbob17]

Magic don't leak any info, so nothing to ser here, just a kid posting on social media

However i m. Sure that we looked at many players and he could have been one of them

The Magic are very tight-lipped, but as soon as they call another team about a deal the cat is out of the bag, because that team is often using that to shop to other teams.

The agents find out about it. There were plenty of rumors that the Magic were looking to trade up, and we should have been. We just didn't have the bullets.

[X_O_Z]

What is there to complain? for Chuma and Cole this is literally their Summer League games, and they are thrown out the lion's den if you will. These guys didn't even have enough time to work on their game and be evaluated during the off time. Literally, guy just got drafted in November and played back up PG in a role that is really important to the team. So yea, Cole is doing great for all I know, and will only improve from here.

[Blue_and_Whte]

What is there to complain? for Chuma and Cole this is literally their Summer League games, and they are thrown out the lion's den if you will. These guys didn't even have enough time to work with staff after the summer league to improve any of their weakness shown during the Summer League. Literally, guy just got drafted in November and played back up PG in a role that is really important to the team. So yea, Cole is doing great for all I know, and will only improve from here.

On a playoff team with a 4-0 winning streak nonetheless.