Official 2023-2024 Magic General Season Thread II

[drsd]

Don't remember anyone pegging Franz as a PF and I don't know why they would have.

To quote me, really this was simply about i) what the Magic roster was the pre-season of his rookie year and ii) the measurements that came out stating he was MUCH taller than the listed 6'9", and was a tall 6'11" actually.

Even today, CBS sports lists F-Wagner as a PF. So there is a vibe on him.

For me personally, he is more of a combo-wing than a combo-forward.
I would love to see some tall-ball lineups with Caldwell-Pope/F-Wagner/Banchero/Isaac/Bitadze (as one example of many such permutations). Yes: that's a 35 foot lineup

[Skybox]

Don't remember anyone pegging Franz as a PF and I don't know why they would have.

What are the differences between a PF and a SF nowadays?

(I know PFs are Jayson Tatum today- not Kevin McHale…I’m not sure there’s a clear line)

[drsd]

What are the differences between a PF and a SF nowadays?

And-1

I can see Caldwell-Pope, F-Wagner, and Banchero running the triangle. All three can play all wing slots. On offense, there won;t really be a PF. In the sense of back to the basket, post-up bruiser.

These three all playing 2, 3, and 4 interchangeably in a triangle could be a thing of beauty.

[RookieStar]

Don't remember anyone pegging Franz as a PF and I don't know why they would have.

I think there were some reminiscing about the glory days of a Ra$$hard type of PF. Also, Franz was known to be a defender in college and AK47 was thrown out a lot. Combo-PF like

[RookieStar]

Don't remember anyone pegging Franz as a PF and I don't know why they would have.

What are the differences between a PF and a SF nowadays?

(I know PFs are Jayson Tatum today- not Kevin McHale…I’m not sure there’s a clear line)

As a SF, you can sell more shoes cuz it sounds more cooler for a casual to rock a "wing" shoes than a PF

[Skybox]

What are the differences between a PF and a SF nowadays?

And-1

I can see Caldwell-Pope, F-Wagner, and Banchero running the triangle. All three can play all wing slots. On offense, there won;t really be a PF. In the sense of back to the basket, post-up bruiser.

These three all playing 2, 3, and 4 interchangeably in a triangle could be a thing of beauty.

I expect da Silva to (possibly) be in the mix as a multi-position, multi-skilled guy...he may be more offensively versatile than KCP right away (no knock on KCP-he's a fiend on D and a great spot up shooter).

[VFX]

Don't remember anyone pegging Franz as a PF and I don't know why they would have.

What are the differences between a PF and a SF nowadays?

(I know PFs are Jayson Tatum today- not Kevin McHale…I’m not sure there’s a clear line)

SF have more lateral quickness. PF are bigger to guard against Centers in a pinch.

Tatum is quick enough to guard SF and also 220 lbs so he barely works down low due to their lineups. Paolo isn’t quick enough at SF to guard “down” most of the time. Franz probably can, but why would you want him to when you have 5 guys that can play that role defensively. This is why Isaac after a million surgeries probably should be playing PF/C and not SF/PF exclusively.

[tiderulz]

Don't remember anyone pegging Franz as a PF and I don't know why they would have.

I think there were some reminiscing about the glory days of a Ra$$hard type of PF. Also, Franz was known to be a defender in college and AK47 was thrown out a lot. Combo-PF like

some of AK47's best years were playing with Carlos Boozer, who was the PF.

[drsd]

If Mosley directs a 61-21 record this season, he will no longer have a losing NBA record as a head coach.

Aim high!

More realistic is if he goes 51-31 this season and again next season (or something like 49-33 this and 53-29 next), he is out of the basement. That might be doable, actually!

My point: Coach Mosley in another three years will probably have a wining record as the Magic director. I cannot think ANY of us thought that could be true.

[eyriq]

If Mosley directs a 61-21 record this season, he will no longer have a losing NBA record as a head coach.

Aim high!

More realistic is if he goes 51-31 this season and again next season (or something like 49-33 this and 53-29 next), he is out of the basement. That might be doable, actually!

My point: Coach Mosley in another three years will probably have a wining record as the Magic director. I cannot think ANY of us thought that could be true.

He's on track to be one of our best coaches of all time. Still a long way to go to catch up to Brian Hill or Stan Van Gundy.

[MagicFan101]

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Paolo ranked #19

Agree? Disagree?

[jezzerinho]

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Paolo ranked #19

Agree? Disagree?

I can't see how he could aspire to be any higher on the list at this point in his career.

[OnlyFranz22]

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Paolo ranked #19

Agree? Disagree?

I can't see how he could aspire to be any higher on the list at this point in his career.

You can make the argument that he can be higher than Jimmy Butler/Kawhi Leonard/Tyrese Haliburton/Ja Morant

But not a bad list

[MagicFan101]

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Paolo ranked #19

Agree? Disagree?

I can't see how he could aspire to be any higher on the list at this point in his career.

That is very much in line with my thinking. I see no problem with #19 … “at this point in his career”.

Tatum is #4 coming off his 7th season and a title win. I see no reason why Paolo can’t reach similar heights with similar team success.

Call me crazy but that is the expectation and pressure I am putting on this young kid the franchise chose #1 overall and will soon pay around $300M. Sorry not sorry.

[richi_v25]

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Paolo ranked #19

Agree? Disagree?

To me as the average fan the list seems ok, I'd have Ant higher, Jalen Brunson lower and Paolo somewhere in middle but how is Zion 16 he's always injured? So yeah I agree, also "for now".

[bigdogdylan5]

Anyone notice that the same guys who just hammer Paolo because of his inefficiency always seem to just skate over that part with Wemby? I get it he is generationally talented but can we get a little consistency?

[thelead]

Anyone notice that the same guys who just hammer Paolo because of his inefficiency always seem to just skate over that part with Wemby? I get it he is generationally talented but can we get a little consistency?

In fairness though, he’s already a DPOY candidate. That kinda goes a long way in overlooking the inefficient offense.

[pepe1991]

Anyone notice that the same guys who just hammer Paolo because of his inefficiency always seem to just skate over that part with Wemby? I get it he is generationally talented but can we get a little consistency?

In fairness though, he’s already a DPOY candidate. That kinda goes a long way in overlooking the inefficient offense.

Victor rookie year 56,5% TS, 51,9% eFG
Banchero rookie year 52,9% TS, 46,5% eFG
Banchero second year 54,6% TS , 49,7% eFG

For center, Victor was NOT efficient player, but as you mentioned, you have a rookie that finished season as 2# in DPOY voting and is first rookie in history to get all nba defensive first team. In general only him, Manute Bol and Duncan menaged to finish in top 5 in DPOY as rookies.
With bit more talent around him i think even Spurs expect Victor to be <58% TS player this year.

[JoshuaPotter]

Steph & Wemby should be lower IMHO. But I would accept Paolo being under Steph Curry on any list at this second. Golden State is on the decline bigtime imho and I don't think he by himself is enough.

Paolo I see as ahead of Ja Morant, Tyrese, Wemby, and Donovan Mitchel. I would hope by the end of this upcoming season my opinion wont seem so crazy.

[yoyojw17]

Anyone notice that the same guys who just hammer Paolo because of his inefficiency always seem to just skate over that part with Wemby? I get it he is generationally talented but can we get a little consistency?

In fairness though, he’s already a DPOY candidate. That kinda goes a long way in overlooking the inefficient offense.

Victor rookie year 56,5% TS, 51,9% eFG
Banchero rookie year 52,9% TS, 46,5% eFG
Banchero second year 54,6% TS , 49,7% eFG

For center, Victor was NOT efficient player, but as you mentioned, you have a rookie that finished season as 2# in DPOY voting and is first rookie in history to get all nba defensive first team. In general only him, Manute Bol and Duncan menaged to finish in top 5 in DPOY as rookies.
With bit more talent around him i think even Spurs expect Victor to be <58% TS player this year.

and Chris Paul lobs .... at least 2 a game will happen.... gonna be a match made in heaven. Throw the ball up anywhere near the rim. haha

And hey.... why are we being harsh on our young star in the first place. Comes into the league and is already seeing double and triple teams on a nightly basis.... while being our highest usage player and having the ball in his hands the most... without true fascilitators around him... or fascilitators that are allowed playmake. For what he has been asked to do... he's already done a great job and i think things will continue to trend upwardly as his talent grows and the talent around him.