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2024 NBA Draft night open thread, round 1, June 26th

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Your personal preference?

Poll ended at Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:57 am

Bub Carrington
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18%
Jared McCain
8
12%
Ja'Kobe Walter
2
3%
Isaiah Collier
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No votes
Tyler Kolek
1
1%
Tristan Da Silva
19
28%
Johnny Furphy
1
1%
Zach Edey
7
10%
Yves Missi
1
1%
Other, namely...
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft night open thread, round 1, June 26th 

Post#781 » by Knightro » Thu Jun 27, 2024 10:53 am

Skin wrote:
Skybox wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
Agreed.

If they aren’t sold on his ability to come in and start as a guy already older than Franz, then they should have taken someone with upside that they can hide and develop (Jett Howard). If Tristan isn’t getting legitimate minutes next season it was a bad pick.


TDS will step right over Jett on the depth chart …not a knock on Jett and certainly not his upside. This a Jaime Jacquez/ high floor/high BBIQ pick, not a raw project

I don't think he takes Jett's minutes. IMO, Ingles is now gone. Also, Houstan needs to beware.

If anything, this solidifies Jett getting his playing time behind Suggs.

PG FA/Trade | Black | Anthony
SG Suggs | Jett
SF Franz | Tristan

Man, if we could somehow get Dejounte Murray I would be soooo happy.


They’re gonna acquire somebody, but I don’t think it’s gonna be a point guard. I think it’s gonna be a shooting guard.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft night open thread, round 1, June 26th 

Post#782 » by KillMonger » Thu Jun 27, 2024 10:55 am

look for Pertimbangan Tunai in the 2nd round
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft night open thread, round 1, June 26th 

Post#783 » by Skybox » Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:01 am

Knightro wrote:
Skin wrote:
Skybox wrote:
TDS will step right over Jett on the depth chart …not a knock on Jett and certainly not his upside. This a Jaime Jacquez/ high floor/high BBIQ pick, not a raw project

I don't think he takes Jett's minutes. IMO, Ingles is now gone. Also, Houstan needs to beware.

If anything, this solidifies Jett getting his playing time behind Suggs.

PG FA/Trade | Black | Anthony
SG Suggs | Jett
SF Franz | Tristan

Man, if we could somehow get Dejounte Murray I would be soooo happy.


They’re gonna acquire somebody, but I don’t think it’s gonna be a point guard. I think it’s gonna be a shooting guard.


Are you in the “Suggs is our PG” or “we don’t need a PG” camp? Or, would that be a nod to AB ready to show’em?

I just don’t get it…I felt like Harris/Suggs was just a band-aid/survival tactic/cry for help…not a strategy
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft night open thread, round 1, June 26th 

Post#784 » by Knightro » Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:04 am

Skybox wrote:
Knightro wrote:
Skin wrote:I don't think he takes Jett's minutes. IMO, Ingles is now gone. Also, Houstan needs to beware.

If anything, this solidifies Jett getting his playing time behind Suggs.

PG FA/Trade | Black | Anthony
SG Suggs | Jett
SF Franz | Tristan

Man, if we could somehow get Dejounte Murray I would be soooo happy.


They’re gonna acquire somebody, but I don’t think it’s gonna be a point guard. I think it’s gonna be a shooting guard.


Are you in the “Suggs is our PG” or “we don’t need a PG” camp? Or, would that be a nod to AB ready to show’em?

I just don’t get it…I felt like Harris/Suggs was just a band-aid/survival tactic/cry for help…not a strategy


Oh I’m not in either camp. Suggs is a SG to me.

I just don’t think the Magic’s front office feels the same way many of us do.

For better or worse, I think they’re comfortable with Paolo and Franz initiating the lion’s share of the offense.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft night open thread, round 1, June 26th 

Post#785 » by Skybox » Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:12 am

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Skybox wrote:
Knightro wrote:
They’re gonna acquire somebody, but I don’t think it’s gonna be a point guard. I think it’s gonna be a shooting guard.


Are you in the “Suggs is our PG” or “we don’t need a PG” camp? Or, would that be a nod to AB ready to show’em?

I just don’t get it…I felt like Harris/Suggs was just a band-aid/survival tactic/cry for help…not a strategy


Oh I’m not in either camp. Suggs is a SG to me.

I just don’t think the Magic’s front office feels the same way many of us do.

For better or worse, I think they’re comfortable with Paolo and Franz initiating the lion’s share of the offense.


Large % is fine, but we saw the limitations of that…I’d at least try to get Tyus for SOME kind of efficiency/game management…even if he’s a 25mpg reserve. Paolo & Franz are exceptional ballhandlers for 6’10…but it seems like an exploitable weakness that a good POA defender could neutralize…maybe even a second rounder or a capable vet like Kris Dunn or Brogdon could be enough…to at least be able to get a viable ballhandler out there…I refuse to even ponder “the F word” being retained for his ball control.

Murray or Simons is still my much preferred direction for significant growth offensively.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft night open thread, round 1, June 26th 

Post#786 » by tiderulz » Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:58 am

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My guess is perceived weak draft and they took the guy they wanted already. Maybe they don't want to fully invest in tanking and try to compete with Wemby + only one rookie + offseason trades or something.

Picks are a complete guess. Very hard to predict so far out, but Gobert/KAT won't be on the team by then, maybe Edwards gets annoyed and wants out.. could be gold by then? But also can be swung to other teams, two firsts that unprotected is nothing to sneeze at. The Phoenix swap that seemed kinda meh for us suddenly is intriguing with their roster moving forward.


But trading for picks so far away is hilarious. Like 7 years from now is as far as 2017-18 season was, It was so long ago that Durant was on Warriors, Lebron / Love/ Kyrie in Cavs, Butler on Wolves, Derozan on Raptors.

My best guess is that they did not value this draft at all, and did not want to pay $16M guaranteed over 3 years for player they aren't interested into, so they took first wild deal possible, and you just hope something good turns from that unprotected pick ( but Wolves will also have years to preare for season without pick ).

I'm bit shocked why they passed on Cody Williams, maybe i just overvalue him due his brother being so good :dontknow:

Spurs have devin.

Also, Spurs probably didnt see this draft good enough. Getting 1.5 1sts (.5 cause the other is pick swap), that far away is a good gamble, imo, for the Spurs.

no, it really cant be defended well. and lets even face it, Pop wont be with the team when those picks come around. If the Spurs didnt like Dillingham, then pick someone else.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft night open thread, round 1, June 26th 

Post#787 » by BCS » Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:15 pm

cedric76 wrote:
Skin wrote:
Skybox wrote:
TDS will step right over Jett on the depth chart …not a knock on Jett and certainly not his upside. This a Jaime Jacquez/ high floor/high BBIQ pick, not a raw project

I don't think he takes Jett's minutes. IMO, Ingles is now gone. Also, Houstan needs to beware.

If anything, this solidifies Jett getting his playing time behind Suggs.

PG FA/Trade | Black | Anthony
SG Suggs | Jett
SF Franz | Tristan

Man, if we could somehow get Dejounte Murray I would be soooo happy.


Murray is the perfect fit

Cole+ 3 FRP and a few Srp
Let's be realistic on trade proposals. I would love for it to just be Cole, but that doesn't make sense for the Hawks if the plan is to keep Trae. If they are also trading Trae, then, maybe a different story. Or there has to be 3rd team involved who would take Cole but I do not think any1 is interested in him. Switch Cole for Black, tweak the picks going out a bit, and it makes more sense.

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Re: 2024 NBA Draft night open thread, round 1, June 26th 

Post#788 » by fendilim » Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:15 pm

tiderulz wrote:
fendilim wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
But trading for picks so far away is hilarious. Like 7 years from now is as far as 2017-18 season was, It was so long ago that Durant was on Warriors, Lebron / Love/ Kyrie in Cavs, Butler on Wolves, Derozan on Raptors.

My best guess is that they did not value this draft at all, and did not want to pay $16M guaranteed over 3 years for player they aren't interested into, so they took first wild deal possible, and you just hope something good turns from that unprotected pick ( but Wolves will also have years to preare for season without pick ).

I'm bit shocked why they passed on Cody Williams, maybe i just overvalue him due his brother being so good :dontknow:

Spurs have devin.

Also, Spurs probably didnt see this draft good enough. Getting 1.5 1sts (.5 cause the other is pick swap), that far away is a good gamble, imo, for the Spurs.

no, it really cant be defended well. and lets even face it, Pop wont be with the team when those picks come around. If the Spurs didnt like Dillingham, then pick someone else.

True, pops wont be around by then.

The spurs probably see having two rookies play major playing time detrimental to them wanting to compete right away. Similar to how we viewed Black and Jett. Then a good offer comes a long for them to use the future pick as trade asset, so why not.

Draft picks are like cars, once you bring it out of the car dealership, it already lost it value.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft night open thread, round 1, June 26th 

Post#789 » by Skybox » Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:19 pm

BCS wrote:
cedric76 wrote:
Skin wrote:I don't think he takes Jett's minutes. IMO, Ingles is now gone. Also, Houstan needs to beware.

If anything, this solidifies Jett getting his playing time behind Suggs.

PG FA/Trade | Black | Anthony
SG Suggs | Jett
SF Franz | Tristan

Man, if we could somehow get Dejounte Murray I would be soooo happy.


Murray is the perfect fit

Cole+ 3 FRP and a few Srp
Let's be realistic on trade proposals. I would love for it to just be Cole, but that doesn't make sense for the Hawks if the plan is to keep Trae. If they are also trading Trae, then, maybe a different story. Or there has to be 3rd team involved who would take Cole but I do not think any1 is interested in him. Switch Cole for Black, tweak the picks going out a bit, and it makes more sense.

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Agree...Murray is the best choice, but unless there's a 3-way or an unexpected offering from ORL...we're probably better served talking to POR about Simons. Fallback would be WAS about Brogdon or even a Tyus SnT...if there's any advantage vs outright signing Tyus...I just don't think Tyus is enough.

POR and WAS are rebuilding, so Cole might be realistic as outgoing salary (despite their fans expecting a significant win-now piece). ATL would probably value Black, but even he isn't too exciting to a team expecting to compete now (realistically or not).
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft night open thread, round 1, June 26th 

Post#790 » by eyriq » Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:22 pm

I had to listen to nature sounds at like 2:00 A.M. just to fall asleep. This pick has me excited, which really isn't a rational reaction.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft night open thread, round 1, June 26th 

Post#791 » by VFX » Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:27 pm

Knightro wrote:
Skybox wrote:
Knightro wrote:
They’re gonna acquire somebody, but I don’t think it’s gonna be a point guard. I think it’s gonna be a shooting guard.


Are you in the “Suggs is our PG” or “we don’t need a PG” camp? Or, would that be a nod to AB ready to show’em?

I just don’t get it…I felt like Harris/Suggs was just a band-aid/survival tactic/cry for help…not a strategy


Oh I’m not in either camp. Suggs is a SG to me.

I just don’t think the Magic’s front office feels the same way many of us do.

For better or worse, I think they’re comfortable with Paolo and Franz initiating the lion’s share of the offense.


And that would be a dumb mistake on their part.

We already saw last season what happened when Paolo and Franz took turns “initiating the offense”. It turned into guys standing around and watching or Paolo losing the ball to smaller quicker guards. Offense looked predictable, slow, and stupid. Just get someone to put them in positions to score instead of adding another 3-D shooter. It happens to be more important than playing Suggs out of position and the offense grind to a halt.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft night open thread, round 1, June 26th 

Post#792 » by BCS » Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:32 pm

Skybox wrote:
BCS wrote:
cedric76 wrote:
Murray is the perfect fit

Cole+ 3 FRP and a few Srp
Let's be realistic on trade proposals. I would love for it to just be Cole, but that doesn't make sense for the Hawks if the plan is to keep Trae. If they are also trading Trae, then, maybe a different story. Or there has to be 3rd team involved who would take Cole but I do not think any1 is interested in him. Switch Cole for Black, tweak the picks going out a bit, and it makes more sense.

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Agree...Murray is the best choice, but unless there's a 3-way or an unexpected offering from ORL...we're probably better served talking to POR about Simons. Fallback would be WAS about Brogdon or even a Tyus SnT...if there's any advantage vs outright signing Tyus...I just don't think Tyus is enough.

POR and WAS are rebuilding, so Cole might be realistic as outgoing salary (despite their fans expecting a significant win-now piece). ATL would probably value Black, but even he isn't too exciting to a team expecting to compete now (realistically or not).
If the Hawks were looking to compete. I was trying to work out a 3 team, adding the Grizz as they desperately need a C and were rumored to be interested in Capela. Player movement would be something like, WCJ and Smart to the Hawks, Capella and Cole or Black(definitely preferably Cole) to the Grizz, DJM to the Magic.

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Re: 2024 NBA Draft night open thread, round 1, June 26th 

Post#793 » by Knightro » Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:44 pm

MagicMatic wrote:
Knightro wrote:
Skybox wrote:
Are you in the “Suggs is our PG” or “we don’t need a PG” camp? Or, would that be a nod to AB ready to show’em?

I just don’t get it…I felt like Harris/Suggs was just a band-aid/survival tactic/cry for help…not a strategy


Oh I’m not in either camp. Suggs is a SG to me.

I just don’t think the Magic’s front office feels the same way many of us do.

For better or worse, I think they’re comfortable with Paolo and Franz initiating the lion’s share of the offense.


And that would be a dumb mistake on their part.

We already saw last season what happened when Paolo and Franz took turns “initiating the offense”. It turned into guys standing around and watching or Paolo losing the ball to smaller quicker guards. Offense looked predictable, slow, and stupid. Just get someone to put them in positions to score instead of adding another 3-D shooter. It happens to be more important than playing Suggs out of position and the offense grind to a halt.


Right or wrong, I think they expect Paolo and Franz to become more efficient as playmakers as they age and get more experience.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft night open thread, round 1, June 26th 

Post#794 » by Black and Blue » Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:46 pm

SOUL wrote:maybe i'm biased but so many "nba draft guys" will answer questions as to why da silva is graded badly and they'll just be like "just had him lower than others" and mock them as like the 56th best prospect or something random. it's not even like there's tons of terrible tape, the dude shot 50/40/80 for two years straight with functional athleticism and a game that doesn't look like it would take a lot to translate.

even if you mock him as kyle anderson AT BEST, which isn't a crazy high bar, that's probably a 9th to 15th best player in an okay draft, nevermind a terrible one. and is a connector who can shoot at all three levels, cuts well, hits shots in motion and standstill, has good percentages on floaters, has good team defense. like there are obvious athletic flaws and upside that won't be hit but.. yeah.

it's just weird to be like "terrible draft, also this dude that does everything at a pretty good level is my 80th prospect cause he's 23 and uh yeah just dont like him as much as others, btwthis dude who averaged 3 points on 28% shooting on a a B-league team in France is clearly 15 spots better because he's 18 and those shots that went in looked PURE"


I think it’s because Da Silva is seen as having a low ceiling, where the other options are way more boom or bust. These analysts largely think about what predictions will backfire on them and haunt their resumes, so they feel way more comfortable giving good grades to someone who has a 5% of being an All Star instead of another player who has a 90% of being a solid rotation player.

They also have no earthly idea of roster construction since they don’t know where they will go, so they need to evaluate players at face value regardless of who picks them.

Overall it leads to a super, super flawed system and analysis, but it’s the best they have for the public right now. These teams use analytics like baseball now and I think it’s only a matter of time until those metrics become more public and these analysts look even dumber than they already look.

For us fans, the best measure is “can you see a path to this player getting playing time on this squad”, and Da Silva has an obvious role from day 1. It’s a darn good pick in a weak draft because it will make our team better immediately.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft night open thread, round 1, June 26th 

Post#795 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Thu Jun 27, 2024 1:09 pm

Black and Blue wrote:
SOUL wrote:maybe i'm biased but so many "nba draft guys" will answer questions as to why da silva is graded badly and they'll just be like "just had him lower than others" and mock them as like the 56th best prospect or something random. it's not even like there's tons of terrible tape, the dude shot 50/40/80 for two years straight with functional athleticism and a game that doesn't look like it would take a lot to translate.

even if you mock him as kyle anderson AT BEST, which isn't a crazy high bar, that's probably a 9th to 15th best player in an okay draft, nevermind a terrible one. and is a connector who can shoot at all three levels, cuts well, hits shots in motion and standstill, has good percentages on floaters, has good team defense. like there are obvious athletic flaws and upside that won't be hit but.. yeah.

it's just weird to be like "terrible draft, also this dude that does everything at a pretty good level is my 80th prospect cause he's 23 and uh yeah just dont like him as much as others, btwthis dude who averaged 3 points on 28% shooting on a a B-league team in France is clearly 15 spots better because he's 18 and those shots that went in looked PURE"


I think it’s because Da Silva is seen as having a low ceiling, where the other options are way more boom or bust. These analysts largely think about what predictions will backfire on them and haunt their resumes, so they feel way more comfortable giving good grades to someone who has a 5% of being an All Star instead of another player who has a 90% of being a solid rotation player.

They also have no earthly idea of roster construction since they don’t know where they will go, so they need to evaluate players at face value regardless of who picks them.

Overall it leads to a super, super flawed system and analysis, but it’s the best they have for the public right now. These teams use analytics like baseball now and I think it’s only a matter of time until those metrics become more public and these analysts look even dumber than they already look.

For us fans, the best measure is “can you see a path to this player getting playing time on this squad”, and Da Silva has an obvious role from day 1. It’s a darn good pick in a weak draft because it will make our team better immediately.


this is one of the first picks from this FO that you take a step back and go, this one makes a lot of sense. Like you said he's not a flashy player who has high upside, however Day 1 he can step in and play 10-15 minutes for a playoff-contending team. How many picks in the top 20 could you say that for?

Now they get to follow up a strong draft pick with FA and a few good options to bolster our backcourt.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft night open thread, round 1, June 26th 

Post#796 » by Skybox » Thu Jun 27, 2024 1:10 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
Black and Blue wrote:
SOUL wrote:maybe i'm biased but so many "nba draft guys" will answer questions as to why da silva is graded badly and they'll just be like "just had him lower than others" and mock them as like the 56th best prospect or something random. it's not even like there's tons of terrible tape, the dude shot 50/40/80 for two years straight with functional athleticism and a game that doesn't look like it would take a lot to translate.

even if you mock him as kyle anderson AT BEST, which isn't a crazy high bar, that's probably a 9th to 15th best player in an okay draft, nevermind a terrible one. and is a connector who can shoot at all three levels, cuts well, hits shots in motion and standstill, has good percentages on floaters, has good team defense. like there are obvious athletic flaws and upside that won't be hit but.. yeah.

it's just weird to be like "terrible draft, also this dude that does everything at a pretty good level is my 80th prospect cause he's 23 and uh yeah just dont like him as much as others, btwthis dude who averaged 3 points on 28% shooting on a a B-league team in France is clearly 15 spots better because he's 18 and those shots that went in looked PURE"


I think it’s because Da Silva is seen as having a low ceiling, where the other options are way more boom or bust. These analysts largely think about what predictions will backfire on them and haunt their resumes, so they feel way more comfortable giving good grades to someone who has a 5% of being an All Star instead of another player who has a 90% of being a solid rotation player.

They also have no earthly idea of roster construction since they don’t know where they will go, so they need to evaluate players at face value regardless of who picks them.

Overall it leads to a super, super flawed system and analysis, but it’s the best they have for the public right now. These teams use analytics like baseball now and I think it’s only a matter of time until those metrics become more public and these analysts look even dumber than they already look.

For us fans, the best measure is “can you see a path to this player getting playing time on this squad”, and Da Silva has an obvious role from day 1. It’s a darn good pick in a weak draft because it will make our team better immediately.


this is one of the first picks from this FO that you take a step back and go, this one makes a lot of sense. Like you said he's not a flashy player who has high upside, however Day 1 he can step in and play 10-15 minutes for a playoff-contending team. How many picks in the top 20 could you say that for?

Now they get to follow up a strong draft pick with FA and a few good options to bolster our backcourt.


He's the right pick at the right time for this franchise and roster...now for the real work
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft night open thread, round 1, June 26th 

Post#797 » by tiderulz » Thu Jun 27, 2024 1:21 pm

fendilim wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
fendilim wrote:Spurs have devin.

Also, Spurs probably didnt see this draft good enough. Getting 1.5 1sts (.5 cause the other is pick swap), that far away is a good gamble, imo, for the Spurs.

no, it really cant be defended well. and lets even face it, Pop wont be with the team when those picks come around. If the Spurs didnt like Dillingham, then pick someone else.

True, pops wont be around by then.

The spurs probably see having two rookies play major playing time detrimental to them wanting to compete right away. Similar to how we viewed Black and Jett. Then a good offer comes a long for them to use the future pick as trade asset, so why not.

Draft picks are like cars, once you bring it out of the car dealership, it already lost it value.

but is it a good offer? do we really think Minnesota's pick will be top-10? and the pick swap, likely wont be used either.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft night open thread, round 1, June 26th 

Post#798 » by tiderulz » Thu Jun 27, 2024 1:23 pm

Knightro wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
Knightro wrote:
Oh I’m not in either camp. Suggs is a SG to me.

I just don’t think the Magic’s front office feels the same way many of us do.

For better or worse, I think they’re comfortable with Paolo and Franz initiating the lion’s share of the offense.


And that would be a dumb mistake on their part.

We already saw last season what happened when Paolo and Franz took turns “initiating the offense”. It turned into guys standing around and watching or Paolo losing the ball to smaller quicker guards. Offense looked predictable, slow, and stupid. Just get someone to put them in positions to score instead of adding another 3-D shooter. It happens to be more important than playing Suggs out of position and the offense grind to a halt.


Right or wrong, I think they expect Paolo and Franz to become more efficient as playmakers as they age and get more experience.

but Paolo himself basically said he doesnt want to have to initiate all the time and wanted a PG
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft night open thread, round 1, June 26th 

Post#799 » by Skybox » Thu Jun 27, 2024 1:29 pm

tiderulz wrote:
fendilim wrote:
tiderulz wrote:no, it really cant be defended well. and lets even face it, Pop wont be with the team when those picks come around. If the Spurs didnt like Dillingham, then pick someone else.

True, pops wont be around by then.

The spurs probably see having two rookies play major playing time detrimental to them wanting to compete right away. Similar to how we viewed Black and Jett. Then a good offer comes a long for them to use the future pick as trade asset, so why not.

Draft picks are like cars, once you bring it out of the car dealership, it already lost it value.

but is it a good offer? do we really think Minnesota's pick will be top-10? and the pick swap, likely wont be used either.


I don't get that at all for SAS...Dillingham has insane upside (along with disappointment potential)...even if it wasn't him, why not a safe pick or even a trade back for a solid piece (like ours?) or an investment in Topic?

MIN might have won this draft between Dilllingham and Shannon...especially considering how good they already are.

OKC in the running too...but won't know for a while. Dillon Jones is a wild talent - if he can learn to play with teammates that are also good, he might really be special. Caruso too...who knows what's next - I don't think they're done.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft night open thread, round 1, June 26th 

Post#800 » by Howard Mass » Thu Jun 27, 2024 3:23 pm

I think The Magic get a veteran PG in free agency.

Would not mind a few that are available in the 2nd guy but a veteran PG is needed to share minutes with Anthony Black.
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