Official 2024-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread

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ORL sends: Jonathan Isaac, Cole Anthony, Gary Harris, DEN 25 frp, ORL 26 frp (top 10 protected)
NOLA sends: CJ McCollum, Herb Jones

NOLA is in a tailspin so, presuming they’re sticking with Zion, might look to semi-rebuild. Isaac has an excellent contract and fits next to Zion and Ingram very well. Murray’s arrival makes CJ movable, Trey’s ascendance makes moving Herb for assets something to consider. Isaac, while still playing somewhat limited minutes, projects a tremendous defensive presence from perimeter to rim and,imo, would be a terrific, completely unselfish example & mentor for Missi.
Isaac, Missi, Theis
Zion, Robinson-Earl
Ingram, Green
Hawkins,Harris
Murray, Anthony, Alvarado

ORL plays the timeline game with NOLA and comes away ready to contend in the East. Isaac’s defensive chaos is truly valued, but other additions step up in his role (Herb, AB, and KCP are long and defensively fierce enough to fill in). Goga’s emergence as a solid starter frees up WCJ to back up 4&5, along with Mo. Jones is a solid 2-way upgrade to the roster as well. CJ embraces the role and sacrifices to be an integral part of a winning opportunity/environment. He’s a locker room leader and is still a potent enough player to, occasionally, be the best player on the court.

Goga, WCJ, Mo
Paolo, WCJ,TdS
Franz, Herb
KCP, Herb
Suggs, McCollum, AB

*this is a very deep, long, and nasty team. The position chart is almost irrelevant as EVERYONE is multi-positional, other than Goga.

I like Herb and Murphy. I just don’t know how available they are. I’d imagine they are part of their rebuild as they move off BI and CJ. I want no part of CJ fwiw. Too old, injuries, expensive, not the right timeline, etc.

I’d do Cole, Jett, and a first for Herb though.

Cole Anthony
Jett Howard
2025 1st

Herb Jones
Jeremiah Robinson-Earl

CJ is an elite 3pt shooter (top 25 all time in 3pt made at 40%) and good enough ball handler - so basically what we are missing and both skills dont die off so easily. He is averaging 68 games a season in the past 3 years, so hardly injury plagued. Really at this point we should stop looking for projects and start getting instant upgrades.

CJ will have 1 year left on his contract at $34m ( probably his last) before he starts trying to find contenders at vet minimum.

None of that makes sense for Orlando.

Herb Jones is not a project.

[byeganyo]

I like Herb and Murphy. I just don’t know how available they are. I’d imagine they are part of their rebuild as they move off BI and CJ. I want no part of CJ fwiw. Too old, injuries, expensive, not the right timeline, etc.

I’d do Cole, Jett, and a first for Herb though.

Cole Anthony
Jett Howard
2025 1st

Herb Jones
Jeremiah Robinson-Earl

CJ is an elite 3pt shooter (top 25 all time in 3pt made at 40%) and good enough ball handler - so basically what we are missing and both skills dont die off so easily. He is averaging 68 games a season in the past 3 years, so hardly injury plagued. Really at this point we should stop looking for projects and start getting instant upgrades.

CJ will have 1 year left on his contract at $34m ( probably his last) before he starts trying to find contenders at vet minimum.

None of that makes sense for Orlando.

Its 30m, not 34 and if everything goes well we will be that contenders. If not, in an year he wil be an expiring contract to match salaries in a trade.
With Herb and CJ if they fit and Orlando are healthy a conference final is a possibilty this year.

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CJ is an elite 3pt shooter (top 25 all time in 3pt made at 40%) and good enough ball handler - so basically what we are missing and both skills dont die off so easily. He is averaging 68 games a season in the past 3 years, so hardly injury plagued. Really at this point we should stop looking for projects and start getting instant upgrades.

CJ will have 1 year left on his contract at $34m ( probably his last) before he starts trying to find contenders at vet minimum.

None of that makes sense for Orlando.

Its 30m, not 34 and if everything goes well we will be that contenders. If not, in an year he wil be an expiring contract to match salaries in a trade.
With Herb and CJ if they fit and Orlando are healthy a conference final is a possibilty this year.

Then we both have different ideas about where this team is relative to contenting for championships.

[Skybox]

I like Herb and Murphy. I just don’t know how available they are. I’d imagine they are part of their rebuild as they move off BI and CJ. I want no part of CJ fwiw. Too old, injuries, expensive, not the right timeline, etc.

I’d do Cole, Jett, and a first for Herb though.

Cole Anthony
Jett Howard
2025 1st

Herb Jones
Jeremiah Robinson-Earl

CJ is an elite 3pt shooter (top 25 all time in 3pt made at 40%) and good enough ball handler - so basically what we are missing and both skills dont die off so easily. He is averaging 68 games a season in the past 3 years, so hardly injury plagued. Really at this point we should stop looking for projects and start getting instant upgrades.

CJ will have 1 year left on his contract at $34m ( probably his last) before he starts trying to find contenders at vet minimum.

None of that makes sense for Orlando.

Herb Jones is not a project.

If we don't continue to sit on our thumbs, we might/should be contenders in 2 years

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[byeganyo]

CJ will have 1 year left on his contract at $34m ( probably his last) before he starts trying to find contenders at vet minimum.

None of that makes sense for Orlando.

Its 30m, not 34 and if everything goes well we will be that contenders. If not, in an year he wil be an expiring contract to match salaries in a trade.
With Herb and CJ if they fit and Orlando are healthy a conference final is a possibilty this year.

Then we both have different ideas about where this team is relative to contenting for championships.

The team will go wherever the management takes it.

Do you remember who were the bottom 5 teams in NBA were 3 years ago?
Orlando, Detroit, Oklahoma, Houston and Indiana.

It is expected to be competitve after a period of sucking, getting where we are right now is not a miracle.

[Idiosyncratic]

Recent star players and their season in their career when they won their 1st title -
Tatum- 7th season
Steph- 7th season
Giannis- 9th season
Lebron- 10th season
Jokic- 9th season
AD- 9th season
Throw MJ in there- 8th
Wade (3rd) and Kobe (5th) are big exceptions, but they also had Shaq.
Kawhi won as a role player early , as the best player on his team it took him 8 seasons.

Still looking for title but have a chance/ have been relatively close
Luka 7th season
Shai 7th season
Ant 5th season
Donovan Mitchell 8th season

Takes about 8 years on average to win a title as a team's best player, that's just the facts.

Paolo is in his 3rd year, Franz in his 4th. That is why all of these trades I see giving up 1st rounders for rentals and acting like they HAVE to do something seem insane to me. Throw stats out the window, do you really think we are a no-defense combo guard away from beating OKC and Boston in a 7 game series? I don't think so yet, I would love to be wrong, but I just don't see it. I do think the window could possibly open next year. But I also think holding picks and drafting good players to supplement the fact that our core 3 will cost a lot of money will be very important in avoiding the 2nd apron.

[tiderulz]

Recent star players and their season in their career when they won their 1st title -
Tatum- 7th season
Steph- 7th season
Giannis- 9th season
Lebron- 10th season
Jokic- 9th season
AD- 9th season
Throw MJ in there- 8th
Wade (3rd) and Kobe (5th) are big exceptions, but they also had Shaq.
Kawhi won as a role player early , as the best player on his team it took him 8 seasons.

Still looking for title but have a chance/ have been relatively close
Luka 7th season
Shai 7th season
Ant 5th season
Donovan Mitchell 8th season

Takes about 8 years on average to win a title as a team's best player, that's just the facts.

Paolo is in his 3rd year, Franz in his 4th. That is why all of these trades I see giving up 1st rounders for rentals and acting like they HAVE to do something seem insane to me. Throw stats out the window, do you really think we are a no-defense combo guard away from beating OKC and Boston in a 7 game series? I don't think so yet, I would love to be wrong, but I just don't see it. I do think the window could possibly open next year. But I also think holding picks and drafting good players to supplement the fact that our core 3 will cost a lot of money will be very important in avoiding the 2nd apron.

how old were they when their teams made moves to make the team better and go deeper into the playoffs?

[byeganyo]

Recent star players and their season in their career when they won their 1st title -
Tatum- 7th season
Steph- 7th season
Giannis- 9th season
Lebron- 10th season
Jokic- 9th season
AD- 9th season
Throw MJ in there- 8th
Wade (3rd) and Kobe (5th) are big exceptions, but they also had Shaq.
Kawhi won as a role player early , as the best player on his team it took him 8 seasons.

Still looking for title but have a chance/ have been relatively close
Luka 7th season
Shai 7th season
Ant 5th season
Donovan Mitchell 8th season

Takes about 8 years on average to win a title as a team's best player, that's just the facts.

Paolo is in his 3rd year, Franz in his 4th. That is why all of these trades I see giving up 1st rounders for rentals and acting like they HAVE to do something seem insane to me. Throw stats out the window, do you really think we are a no-defense combo guard away from beating OKC and Boston in a 7 game series? I don't think so yet, I would love to be wrong, but I just don't see it. I do think the window could possibly open next year. But I also think holding picks and drafting good players to supplement the fact that our core 3 will cost a lot of money will be very important in avoiding the 2nd apron.

It took Giannis 8 seasons to win the title, Lebron - 9 seasons, Steph - 6 seasons, Jokic - 8 seasons and so on
On average you have made wrong calculations...

And then
Tatum made the finals in his 5th season
Lebron - 4th season

As a bonus and talking about Orlando - Shaq made the finals in his 3rd season, Dwight in the 5th.
And Orlando never got closer...

Sitting on your hands and expecting magically to win the titles wont lead you to nowhere.

[Idiosyncratic]

Not against trading smaller assets for a better playoff run. A 2nd for a guy like Schroder? Sure. I read people wanting to give a 1st for Tyus last year. He ended up signing for 1 year 3 million.

It's also a different time in the NBA. The second apron is going to make developing your own role players so much more important.

My main point is this team is probably not a contender yet given the age. Anything traded now, probably makes it harder to win a title when they are ready, because it is one fewer asset at hand going forward. In my view trading a 1st for a guy like Schroder or Sexton (I know he has another year of control) decreases our title odds because I personally don't see it this year anyway. Without even going into the fact that I don't think those guys are that good.

Now if guys like that cost smaller assets, OK, I'm just saying trading good stuff for a run this year seems pointless. I think trades for good players with several years of control like Herb Jones suggested earlier would be fine. I'm simply pushing back over the thought that we need to trade our 1sts for average players just to do something. If you are one guy away from a title that makes sense, but I don't see that.

I think people vastly underrate late 1sts (with our injuries and Denver looking meh will they even be late?) , and I think this draft is very deep with players we could use, but that is an entirely different discussion.

[Idiosyncratic]

Recent star players and their season in their career when they won their 1st title -
Tatum- 7th season
Steph- 7th season
Giannis- 9th season
Lebron- 10th season
Jokic- 9th season
AD- 9th season
Throw MJ in there- 8th
Wade (3rd) and Kobe (5th) are big exceptions, but they also had Shaq.
Kawhi won as a role player early , as the best player on his team it took him 8 seasons.

Still looking for title but have a chance/ have been relatively close
Luka 7th season
Shai 7th season
Ant 5th season
Donovan Mitchell 8th season

Takes about 8 years on average to win a title as a team's best player, that's just the facts.

Paolo is in his 3rd year, Franz in his 4th. That is why all of these trades I see giving up 1st rounders for rentals and acting like they HAVE to do something seem insane to me. Throw stats out the window, do you really think we are a no-defense combo guard away from beating OKC and Boston in a 7 game series? I don't think so yet, I would love to be wrong, but I just don't see it. I do think the window could possibly open next year. But I also think holding picks and drafting good players to supplement the fact that our core 3 will cost a lot of money will be very important in avoiding the 2nd apron.

It took Giannis 8 seasons to win the title, Lebron - 9 seasons, Steph - 6 seasons, Jokic - 8 seasons and so on
On average you have made wrong calculations...

And then
Tatum made the finals in his 5th season
Lebron - 4th season

As a bonus and talking about Orlando - Shaq made the finals in his 3rd season, Dwight in the 5th.
And Orlando never got closer...

Sitting on your hands and expeting magically to in the tiles wont lead you to nowhere.

Yeah I miscounted on most you are right. Average with correct numbers is in the 7s still. My point remains, it is extremely unlikely to be a title season, thus trading good assets for average rentals feels pointless. Have no prpblem looking to add, but it has to make sense. Also have no problem if they wait another year. The idea that they have to do something now just feels rushed to me given the teams age.

[eyriq]

Recent star players and their season in their career when they won their 1st title -
Tatum- 7th season
Steph- 7th season
Giannis- 9th season
Lebron- 10th season
Jokic- 9th season
AD- 9th season
Throw MJ in there- 8th
Wade (3rd) and Kobe (5th) are big exceptions, but they also had Shaq.
Kawhi won as a role player early , as the best player on his team it took him 8 seasons.

Still looking for title but have a chance/ have been relatively close
Luka 7th season
Shai 7th season
Ant 5th season
Donovan Mitchell 8th season

Takes about 8 years on average to win a title as a team's best player, that's just the facts.

Paolo is in his 3rd year, Franz in his 4th. That is why all of these trades I see giving up 1st rounders for rentals and acting like they HAVE to do something seem insane to me. Throw stats out the window, do you really think we are a no-defense combo guard away from beating OKC and Boston in a 7 game series? I don't think so yet, I would love to be wrong, but I just don't see it. I do think the window could possibly open next year. But I also think holding picks and drafting good players to supplement the fact that our core 3 will cost a lot of money will be very important in avoiding the 2nd apron.

Co-signed.

Great post, reality check is needed.

[Residual-Heat]

We have two picks in next years draft. We have a team loaded with young and inexperienced guys. We can barely find playing time for Jett. Its okay to make a move that will improve our team and give us a better chance to get to the second round or ECF. The alternative is doing nothing, not giving ourselves a better chance to compete in the play offs, and drafting 2 rookies next year who will struggle to get playing time and kill their trade value.

We signed Cole to an extension so that he would play the 6th man scorer/playmaker role. Unfortunately he couldnt meet expectations, so its time to replace him with someone who will.

[MasterGMer]

We have two picks in next years draft. We have a team loaded with young and inexperienced guys. We can barely find playing time for Jett. Its okay to make a move that will improve our team and give us a better chance to get to the second round or ECF. The alternative is doing nothing, not giving ourselves a better chance to compete in the play offs, and drafting [emoji[emoji[emoji6][emoji6]][emoji[emoji[emoji6]][emoji[emoji6]]]] rookies next year who will struggle to get playing time and kill their trade value.

The problem is not doing nothing, it is to be patient. Don’t forget it is a deep draft this year. Also we could possibly package our picks for trade when that player pops up or we could trade up. As of right now, I don’t see a player we gonna do that, or just for a rental. Getting a marginal boost right now on the cost of sacrificing the future is not gonna do it


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[Residual-Heat]

We have two picks in next years draft. We have a team loaded with young and inexperienced guys. We can barely find playing time for Jett. Its okay to make a move that will improve our team and give us a better chance to get to the second round or ECF. The alternative is doing nothing, not giving ourselves a better chance to compete in the play offs, and drafting [emoji[emoji[emoji6][emoji6]][emoji[emoji[emoji6]][emoji[emoji6]]]] rookies next year who will struggle to get playing time and kill their trade value.

The problem is not doing nothing, it is to be patient. Don’t forget it is a deep draft this year. Also we could possibly package our picks for trade when that player pops up or we could trade up. As of right now, I don’t see a player we gonna do that, or just for a rental. Getting a marginal boost right now on the cost of sacrificing the future is not gonna do it


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Sacrificing ONE 1st round pick if not "sacrificing the future". We still have a lot of assets for a big move that may never come. Id rather we focus on setting these guys up for some play off success, the more experience they get in the play offs, the better it is for their development.

[MasterGMer]

We have two picks in next years draft. We have a team loaded with young and inexperienced guys. We can barely find playing time for Jett. Its okay to make a move that will improve our team and give us a better chance to get to the second round or ECF. The alternative is doing nothing, not giving ourselves a better chance to compete in the play offs, and drafting rookies next year who will struggle to get playing time and kill their trade value.

The problem is not doing nothing, it is to be patient. Don’t forget it is a deep draft this year. Also we could possibly package our picks for trade when that player pops up or we could trade up. As of right now, I don’t see a player we gonna do that, or just for a rental. Getting a marginal boost right now on the cost of sacrificing the future is not gonna do it


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Sacrificing ONE 1st round pick if not "sacrificing the future". We still have a lot of assets for a big move that may never come. Id rather we focus on setting these guys up for some play off success, the more experience they get in the play offs, the better it is for their development.

Who is that player you have in mind?


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[Residual-Heat]

The problem is not doing nothing, it is to be patient. Don’t forget it is a deep draft this year. Also we could possibly package our picks for trade when that player pops up or we could trade up. As of right now, I don’t see a player we gonna do that, or just for a rental. Getting a marginal boost right now on the cost of sacrificing the future is not gonna do it


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Sacrificing ONE 1st round pick if not "sacrificing the future". We still have a lot of assets for a big move that may never come. Id rather we focus on setting these guys up for some play off success, the more experience they get in the play offs, the better it is for their development.

Who is that player you have in mind?


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someone like Sexton. If we had him last season instead of Cole we wouldve advanced to the 2nd round.

[MasterGMer]

Sacrificing ONE [emoji[emoji[emoji6]][emoji[emoji6][emoji6]]]st round pick if not "sacrificing the future". We still have a lot of assets for a big move that may never come. Id rather we focus on setting these guys up for some play off success, the more experience they get in the play offs, the better it is for their development.

Who is that player you have in mind?


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someone like Sexton. If we had him last season instead of Cole we wouldve advanced to the 2nd round.

He has this year and next year left on his contract. He is only 26 years old. But whose minutes is he going to take away from? Jalen? AB? He would be a back up so he takes sixth man of the team?


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[Residual-Heat]

Who is that player you have in mind?


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someone like Sexton. If we had him last season instead of Cole we wouldve advanced to the 2nd round.

He has this year and next year left on his contract. He is only 26 years old. But whose minutes is he going to take away from? Jalen? AB? He would be a back up so he takes sixth man of the team?


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id let Mosely figure it out. Cole would be gone, probably could cut KCP's playing time down a few minutes, TDS, Harris, maybe some of AB's minutes. I think there's enough minutes available.

[Idiosyncratic]

Sacrificing ONE 1st round pick if not "sacrificing the future". We still have a lot of assets for a big move that may never come. Id rather we focus on setting these guys up for some play off success, the more experience they get in the play offs, the better it is for their development.

Who is that player you have in mind?


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someone like Sexton. If we had him last season instead of Cole we wouldve advanced to the 2nd round.

Sexton definitely makes some sense. A 1st for him wouldn't be awful value, but I do question if our front office even would consider a small non-defender at this point. And for me personally I would still rather have 5+ years of a ready college player like Johni Broome and it's not even close. I get that people want help now and agree with it to an extent, I just would rather draft some guys unless we were trading for someone who could be a part of the core for the next 2.5 seasons. I personally value both of our picks this year higher than the Da Silva pick even if they come in the 20s, I like this draft.

I think finding a trade for some 2nds for a guy who can consistently knock down open 3s makes the most sense this year. Kennard or Brogdon maybe or somebody like that, I get matching money could be hard because nobody will want Cole. I'm not convinced we need a ball-handler if we stagger Paolo/Franz minutes like OKC does with Shai/Jalen WIlliams.