Washington Insider: VC for Gil *will* happen

[RvM]

This might be my future site to go to

I don't think it's going to happen. Maybe if they are tallking about during the trade deadline because you'd think the Wizards would actually give a Wall/Arenas combo a chance.

Talent wise, It would be an upgrade for the Magic, but with Arenas I don't know. What with all that happened last season and people think VC is injury prone even though he's missed less than 30 games the last 4 years while Gilbert has missed how much these past 3 seasons?

I'd bet on this not to happen.

[BelgianMagic]

People need to look at our salaries and finally realize we can't do a New York and clear enough cap space to sign a superstar. We will be over the cap for a long time now, so all the guys saying "no I want Vince's expiring" don't know anything bout how salaries work.

If we can get a HEALTHY Arenas, Miami better watch out for "Stan's Blue & Whites"

[Catledge]

I'm as on-the-fence as it's possible to be with this idea. I don't see any reason to believe that VC will be better next year than he was last year, and I do see reason to believe that Arenas might be significantly better than what we got from VC. They have similar bball IQ in terms of shoot/drive/pass decisions; Arenas has better vision and is younger, but he also has significantly worse non-bball IQ, has huge injury question marks, and a terrible contract.

I would be inclined to hold onto VC in hopes of a better offer coming along unless Washington seriously sweetened the deal, which I don't seem them doing. A big part of my reasoning is that VC becomes an even more valuable expiring after this season, as he can be traded to a team for salary, and then that team can decline to pick up his last year, saving them the entire amount of their traded salary, not just that amount minus the $16m VC will make this year.

[The Effect]

People need to stop acting like they actually have sources. Its getting so annoying how everyone on these boards thinks they have some inside scoop like they are the nbas version of adam shefter or something.

[Benjammin]

People need to stop acting like they actually have sources. Its getting so annoying how everyone on these boards thinks they have some inside scoop like they are the nbas version of adam shefter or something.

I put this in an existing thread. An Orlando Magic fan wanted to make this its own thread. I've never made any claim that this has validity. I posted the update from today simply as a courtesy. I agree that 99% of the time nothing comes from these kinds of rumors. It's not like this hasn't been rumored previously. I don't think it's a prudent deal for the Magic, and I think it's still unlikely that it would happen.

[Bensational]

People need to look at our salaries and finally realize we can't do a New York and clear enough cap space to sign a superstar. We will be over the cap for a long time now, so all the guys saying "no I want Vince's expiring" don't know anything bout how salaries work.

If we can get a HEALTHY Arenas, Miami better watch out for "Stan's Blue & Whites"

but if we don't get a healthy arenas then we're stuck with his completely immovable contract for 4 seasons. no matter how you slice it, that kind of money going down the drain, after the Grant Hill fiasco, will definitely strap us.

[damo[23]]

I am not so convinced by this, and part of me does keep thinking that it could be a trade for the sake of making a trade.

As much as VC didn't play up to expectations, he had his moments, and was generally healthy for the majority of the season - as in it wasn't some re-occuring injury that kept him out or us speculating.

Arenas would be a question mark, in more ways than one. Firstly his character, secondly his injury, and then back to his role and would he accept it, lets face it, he's hardly the most humble of players.

If we did do it, and Otis has faith in it, I'll play along and see what happens, but lets just say if that deal was on the table for me personally, I don't think I'd be the one to do it.

[craig01]

An Arenas for Carter trade would be the most bombastic and reckless move Smith ever makes.

The length and cost of Arenas' contract is not worth the risk vs reward.

Throw in Arenas lack of health and obvious off court issues......this is hardly the situation for the Magic to make a reclamation project.

This is not a gamble worth taking given all of the evidence pointing towards failure.

JMO.

[ChocThunder25]

Arenas has injury issues, mental issues, and a Rashardian contract. Anyone one of the 3 and I'm doing this deal. 2 of the 3 makes me hesitate, but all three red flags I'm afraid makes me blow the whistle. Talent wise no one ca nargue it's not an upgrade , but there are so many question marks.

If I could have a reasonable bill of health from team doctors I might still do this. I don't like a Meer Agent 0 back court as much as some do, and I too would like a sweetener from the Wiz for taking that salary off the books. As others have stated, the Magic just aren't going to be free agent players cap wise until Shard is cleared from the books, so Arenas wouldn't hamstring us there(although RDV's acountant might beg to differ, lol).

The main point of contention is what u think VC is worth. Most would rather hold on to the expiring, I mean VC, and flip him at the trade deadline;what if that doesn't happen? Would you rather trade him for Arenas, or just hold onto VC until he expires?

[OrlandoMagic]

So the other day I sat down with my source ( the alphabet soup ) and asked a simple question.

What is next for the Magic?

Simply replied "THWYKDS"

I was shocked. I than followed by asking what the time frame was before the major move.

And again with the stone look toward me answered "HSYW"

My jaw dropped and almost wet myself.

So there you have in exactly "HSYW" the Magic will "THWYKDS" and shock the world.

There you have it folks our first reliable source!

[Shishnizzle]

So the other day I sat down with my source ( the alphabet soup ) and asked a simple question.

What is next for the Magic?

Simply replied "THWYKDS"

I was shocked. I than followed by asking what the time frame was before the major move.

And again with the stone look toward me answered "HSYW"

My jaw dropped and almost wet myself.

So there you have in exactly "HSYW" the Magic will "THWYKDS" and shock the world.

There you have it folks our first reliable source!

So your source is trying to tell you we are after a player from Eastern Europe. Probably Serbia.

[magicman123]

new fatheads are cool

[Orlando Dawg]

flip him at the trade deadline;what if that doesn't happen? Would you rather trade him for Arenas, or just hold onto VC until he expires?

I'm all for spending the money however if you think of the salary cap like age, then the magic are about to die. If the Magic can't get a true difference maker (NOT Arenas) by trading Vince+assets then they might as well let Vince expire and get back down to 70 mil (instead of 90 going on 100 going on 110). They certainly have the depth to make up for it.

[tiderulz]

flip him at the trade deadline;what if that doesn't happen? Would you rather trade him for Arenas, or just hold onto VC until he expires?

I'm all for spending the money however if you think of the salary cap like age, then the magic are about to die. If the Magic can't get a true difference maker (NOT Arenas) by trading Vince+assets then they might as well let Vince expire and get back down to 70 mil (instead of 90 going on 100 going on 110). They certainly have the depth to make up for it.

if your owner doesnt mind spending the money, what exactly does getting down to 70 mil accomplish? except having less talent on the roster? It doesnt allow you to sign anyone new. You cant bring in a bigger contract on a trade, since you are already over the cap.

[ChocThunder25]

Which is sort of my point, I think a lot of posters feel that we should hold on to VC and trade for a better player than Arenas. I use d to fee lthat way, but after seeing the TPE go to waste, I wonder. Not saying I'm for the Arenas trade, but as tiderulz pointed out, we would STILL be over the cap if VC expires, meaning no real gain made.

[Magicalltheway]

Just because we are drowning in bad contracts does not mean we should push ourselves even deeper. If this is about absorbing another contract id rather it be for someone whom would substantially improve us not just a marginal difference.

[jayrehme]

Gilbert is one of the best scorers in the game.... don't we need a go to scorer? Vince obviously isn't that anymore. The only thing we are risking is THE OWNER's money.... its not our money. It'd be like signing a max player... except its only for 4 years. Don't kid yourselves, the only thing that would happen with vince's contract is that it will expire and we'll get nothing for it except STILL being over the cap anyways so the team can't improve.... hey but we'd save THE OWNER 20 mill....fanwise this would be an excellent trade. And there isn't anything wrong or harmful about Gilbert's personality. He would fit in well.

[jayrehme]

this would've helped us beat the lakers .....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm2XO28YRYU

he's not old either. He's only 28 years old and will be 32 when his contract expires.

[SolidSnake008]

Well i don't think it's a question that he still has the Talent i mean men lie, women lie but numbers don't and he was putting up numbers before the incident what i like the most is that even though he's a shoot-first PG he still manages almost 8 assists....That being said i'm not sure how he would fit here i'm on the fence 50/50....As long as we're putting up highlights might as well put up this one.....This vid is from this past season and if you watch the video he passes the eye test with flying colors but does he have something between the ears?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYLkbahEOh0[/youtube]

[BelgianMagic]

Gil 4 President !