Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (PtVI, Mods Close)

SolidSnake008 · Post #81 » by **SolidSnake008** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:52 pm

zORi wrote:I'm not gonna lie, watching Monta Ellis highlights, I can see the similarities between he and Jameer's game. It's almost exactly the same.

He's basically a bigger Jameer. Fortunately, Jameer is a great player.

i agree...although Jameer is not a threat to go off for 30+ every night like Ellis....But i kinda feel like Jameer has fallen off a bit...I remember his All-Star season and he was so good but since then i don't know what happened to him....Didn't really decline all that much physically and he has always been mentally strong...but he just haven't been the same since his great year....Maybe that is why some feel like we should trade Jameer when he is still somewhat valuable...Maybe he just had down years and he'll bounce back but if you can upgrade using him then why not? It's a tough situation that's for sure

BelgianMagic · Post #82 » by **BelgianMagic** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:56 pm

zORi wrote:I'm not gonna lie, watching Monta Ellis highlights, I can see the similarities between he and Jameer's game. It's almost exactly the same.

He's basically a bigger Jameer. Fortunately, Jameer is a great player.

I don't think their games are that much the same to be honest ..

I think Jameer is a great player, but he's not using his talent to the maximum. He's shown he can be a distributor too, he doesn't have to shoot the ball as much as he does when you've got JRich/Hedo/Ryan on the court ..

All-round, Ellis is a much better player & would be great next to Dwight

jadewbj · Post #83 » by **jadewbj** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:04 pm

I think Monta is an upgrade from Jameer and their games are not that similar. Even if you thought that they were would it not make sense to get the younger guy? Plus if you can get him without giving up Jameer than would it not make sense to have the two of them so running your offense when using the bench easier?

WeAreVenom · Post #84 » by **WeAreVenom** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:16 pm

SolidSnake008 wrote:
zORi wrote:I'm not gonna lie, watching Monta Ellis highlights, I can see the similarities between he and Jameer's game. It's almost exactly the same.

He's basically a bigger Jameer. Fortunately, Jameer is a great player.

i agree...although Jameer is not a threat to go off for 30+ every night like Ellis....But i kinda feel like Jameer has fallen off a bit...I remember his All-Star season and he was so good but since then i don't know what happened to him....Didn't really decline all that much physically and he has always been mentally strong...but he just haven't been the same since his great year....Maybe that is why some feel like we should trade Jameer when he is still somewhat valuable...Maybe he just had down years and he'll bounce back but if you can upgrade using him then why not? It's a tough situation that's for sure

Yeah, it's weird. Was '09 a fluke year, or something? Because it was tearing it up that season, maybe that was just his peak....

But definitely, if we got Monta, we would have to deal Jameer. He turns 30 next year, and I think guards' value starts to drop when they hit that age.

WeAreVenom · Post #85 » by **WeAreVenom** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:17 pm

BelgianMagic wrote:
zORi wrote:I'm not gonna lie, watching Monta Ellis highlights, I can see the similarities between he and Jameer's game. It's almost exactly the same.

He's basically a bigger Jameer. Fortunately, Jameer is a great player.

I don't think their games are that much the same to be honest ..

I think Jameer is a great player, but he's not using his talent to the maximum. He's shown he can be a distributor too, he doesn't have to shoot the ball as much as he does when you've got JRich/Hedo/Ryan on the court ..

All-round, Ellis is a much better player & would be great next to Dwight

Yeah, Ellis is no doubt better. Ellis is All-Star material (although, in his peak, Jameer was as well).

We'd also be losing our leader, I wonder who would step up in his place (assuming we could even pull it off).

arkknight1988 · Post #86 » by **arkknight1988** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:22 pm

Could we get griffin and gordon from the clippers for dwight?

rcklsscognition · Post #87 » by **rcklsscognition** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:23 pm

I'm looking forward to seeing what the NOH get for Paul, that will set up our offers for Dwight, we should get more than CP3. Always pay more for a big.

LetItRain · Post #88 » by **LetItRain** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:26 pm

arkknight1988 wrote:Could we get griffin and gordon from the clippers for dwight?

That would be amazing..but I 100% doubt they would do both.

Even thought a Blake for Dwight deal would be fair, I doubt they would do that either (Blake's knees are still suspect, so if I was them I would do that trade).

Gordon for Dwight seems more likely, but I don't know if I do that deal if I'm Otis.

chunnyboy · Post #89 » by **chunnyboy** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:30 pm

aldridge says that the hornets will have to choose between gordon or the minny pick...

there are conflicting reports all morning about this, but if i were NOH, i choose the minny pick (especially now that minny added jj barea to mess with the PG rotation even more)

having said that, if LAC can get paul without giving up gordon, CP3-Griffin-Gordon is a Big 3 - make no doubt about it - and they are flanked by Jordan and Butler who are no slouches- first impression wise, I think they might become the best team in LA this season

SnuggLes__ · Post #90 » by **SnuggLes__** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:30 pm

This whole situation is like a complicated relationship coming to an end..

We got Dwight, the girlfriend, trying to get out of the relationship.. The Organization (Otis), the boyfriend, desperately trying to save it. Then we have the fans, the organization's friend.

Dwight feels like he's given the relationship his all.. I mean he's been in it for 7 years, and was young, willing & attractive when it began. Now he has just hit his prime and doesn't want to waste with it with somebody who doesn't listen, deserve to have all that he offers, or isn't going anywhere in life. So now he tries to get out of it, all the while trying to maintain a good image (of course not doing a good job), knowing damn well there's nothing the BF can say or do to keep him. The whole "I like you, but this really isn't working out" deal... He'll try to be nice, but really is Unhappy

Then we have the Organization, drunk phone calls at night, doing stuff that they think will fix things but actually won't (i.e BBD). Meanwhile all too comfortable with the rut they're in, and really would not have done a damn thing to change it had it not been for the GF to begin with. I mean the guy is lucky to even have dwight, but to be honest we all saw it ending like this...

Then the fan, we're like the best friend. We love the organization, and the pairing of the organization and Dwight was like the best thing ever. Hell, we're even in love with dwight, but I mean guy code (It's like man law # 3 or something).. We supported their relationship with all our might, going out partying and drinking during the good times, and just drinking during the bad. We knew the organization made some boneheaded moves all throughout and we even knew he wasn't telling us things, but we still supported him cause as the best friends its our duty. Now we're in the position where its all about to end. Dwight's going to leave and we half can't blame him, but at the same time we have to because its our role. We demonize him cause we need it to seem as if it was all his fault for the organization's benefit, and our sanity cause we also don't want to lose him..

Now we're watching Dwight play the field looking for better, meanwhile the organization is hoping he'll stay, but preparing for a rebound knowing damn well that no one who comes after will ever be as good...

jadewbj · Post #91 » by **jadewbj** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:32 pm

It doesn't look like there will be any trades for us with the clippers since the deal they made for CP3 is probably going to get done.

arkknight1988 · Post #92 » by **arkknight1988** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:34 pm

chunnyboy wrote:aldridge says that the hornets will have to choose between gordon or the minny pick...

there are conflicting reports all morning about this, but if i were NOH, i choose the minny pick (especially now that minny added jj barea to mess with the PG rotation even more)

having said that, if LAC can get paul without giving up gordon, CP3-Griffin-Gordon is a Big 3 - make no doubt about it - and they are flanked by Jordan and Butler who are no slouches- first impression wise, I think they might become the best team in LA this season

its amazing how the clippers stockpiled enough assets to make a run at paul and dwight. I honestly wouldn't mind seeing them both going to the clippers. I would take a package of gordon+d.jordan+ 2 1sts for dwight+hedo. We could then trade jj and nelson for some more picks. It woud be nice to have 3 first round picks in next years draft no to mention gordon can become our franchise player

Official · Post #93 » by **Official** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:36 pm

Gordon our franchise player.....depressing.

jadewbj · Post #94 » by **jadewbj** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:39 pm

Official wrote:Gordon our franchise player.....depressing.

Gordon is a good number 2, but not a franchise player.

PeePee la Fritz · Post #95 » by **PeePee la Fritz** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:40 pm

arkknight1988 wrote:
chunnyboy wrote:aldridge says that the hornets will have to choose between gordon or the minny pick...

there are conflicting reports all morning about this, but if i were NOH, i choose the minny pick (especially now that minny added jj barea to mess with the PG rotation even more)

having said that, if LAC can get paul without giving up gordon, CP3-Griffin-Gordon is a Big 3 - make no doubt about it - and they are flanked by Jordan and Butler who are no slouches- first impression wise, I think they might become the best team in LA this season

its amazing how the clippers stockpiled enough assets to make a run at paul and dwight. I honestly wouldn't mind seeing them both going to the clippers. I would take a package of gordon+d.jordan+ 2 1sts for dwight+hedo. We could then trade jj and nelson for some more picks. It woud be nice to have 3 first round picks in next years draft no to mention gordon can become our franchise player

If the Minny pick goes, the only deal you take from LAC is Griffin/Gordon/Kamen/Clippers pick for D12/Turk

Then you dump Meer, JJ, J Rich at deadline and build around Blake/Gordon/Whomever they pick up in the draft.

MitchellUK · Post #96 » by **MitchellUK** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:43 pm

arkknight1988 wrote:
chunnyboy wrote:aldridge says that the hornets will have to choose between gordon or the minny pick...

there are conflicting reports all morning about this, but if i were NOH, i choose the minny pick (especially now that minny added jj barea to mess with the PG rotation even more)

having said that, if LAC can get paul without giving up gordon, CP3-Griffin-Gordon is a Big 3 - make no doubt about it - and they are flanked by Jordan and Butler who are no slouches- first impression wise, I think they might become the best team in LA this season

its amazing how the clippers stockpiled enough assets to make a run at paul and dwight. I honestly wouldn't mind seeing them both going to the clippers. I would take a package of gordon+d.jordan+ 2 1sts for dwight+hedo. We could then trade jj and nelson for some more picks. It woud be nice to have 3 first round picks in next years draft no to mention gordon can become our franchise player

Not really - the Minny pick was part of a 2005 trade involving Mark Jaric, and has had less and less protection each year, they were just wise to keep hold of it rather than cash it in. As for the rest of their assets, when you're in the lottery every year, you're going to acquire a lot of young players. The Clips finally managed to pick/acquire a few promising ones.

RickB-Orlando · Post #97 » by **RickB-Orlando** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:44 pm

jadewbj wrote:
MagicFan149 wrote:if otis wants to keep his job he will find something up his sleeve.... he knows whats at stake... dwight got to finals with shard and hedo as his supporting cast...we dont need alot just some help ...help from dwights list probably ha

What if Otis is so arrogant he doesn't care about his job?

That would mean he's an insane narcissist. Which he isn't, unless he had a sudden breakdown between last week and today.

arkknight1988 · Post #98 » by **arkknight1988** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:44 pm

jadewbj wrote:
Official wrote:Gordon our franchise player.....depressing.

Gordon is a good number 2, but not a franchise player.

idk...he is only 22 and put up 24ppg last year. He is undersized a bit though. I would love to get griffin+gordon from the clippers. We could rebuild around that

Official · Post #99 » by **Official** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:46 pm

Griffin is not getting traded and Gordon is not a franchise player; he a potential second star, but I have my doubts.

MoMM · Post #100 » by **MoMM** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:47 pm

PeePee la Fritz wrote:
arkknight1988 wrote:
chunnyboy wrote:aldridge says that the hornets will have to choose between gordon or the minny pick...

there are conflicting reports all morning about this, but if i were NOH, i choose the minny pick (especially now that minny added jj barea to mess with the PG rotation even more)

having said that, if LAC can get paul without giving up gordon, CP3-Griffin-Gordon is a Big 3 - make no doubt about it - and they are flanked by Jordan and Butler who are no slouches- first impression wise, I think they might become the best team in LA this season

its amazing how the clippers stockpiled enough assets to make a run at paul and dwight. I honestly wouldn't mind seeing them both going to the clippers. I would take a package of gordon+d.jordan+ 2 1sts for dwight+hedo. We could then trade jj and nelson for some more picks. It woud be nice to have 3 first round picks in next years draft no to mention gordon can become our franchise player

If the Minny pick goes, the only deal you take from LAC is Griffin/Gordon/Kamen/Clippers pick for D12/Turk

Then you dump Meer, JJ, J Rich at deadline and build around Blake/Gordon/Whomever they pick up in the draft.

Sorry, but no one would trade Blake and Gordon for D12. No one! I even think Clippers wouldnt trade Blake for D12.