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Ryan Anderson Playing Disappearing Act: Is It Good For Us

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Re: Ryan Anderson Playing Disappearing Act: Is It Good For U 

Post#81 » by mhectorgato » Wed May 2, 2012 8:21 pm

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eyriq wrote:Using RealGM metrics Ryan: Six Sweater Vests to one Dunce Cap.

He's received the second most recognition for helping us win games, second only to Dwight, and he has only cost us one game, but he is wildly inconsistent worthy of scorn? I don't think so. By every measure he is easily our second best player and he has been doing it all year, with or without Dwight.

What his no shows should tell us is that he is not a good first option or go to player. Thing is, with Dwight we aren't looking for a first option as Dwight has that covered. We need a hyper-efficient sidekick and an all star level setup man. Ryan clearly checks off one of those boxes.


That only tell us that Ryno performed exceptionally well enough to be credited for the win in 6 games this season (out of 66 available), while he almost never had atrocius games (or there was always someone worse).

Looking at these past two games, its easy to see how Ryan can have a dissapointing performance and not be credited with cap. He's almost never Duhon bad, but that is not something your 2nd option should be.

Let's face it, he's good enough to be 3rd or 4th option and can rebound, space the floor, maybe even improve defensively up a bit. But one cannot rely on him as 2nd option, let alone build around him (as some imply if Dwight leave).

What we need is a closer, 1st option wing next to Dwight and having Ryan starting at the 4 with them would be fantastic. However, if forced to choose between ruining our capspace or letting him go, I'd choose later.


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Re: Ryan Anderson Playing Disappearing Act: Is It Good For U 

Post#82 » by thelead » Wed May 2, 2012 8:35 pm

Ryan is a 4th option. Period. Would you pick ryan over any of these third options: ginobli, bosh, Bynum, harden? Not even close.
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Re: Ryan Anderson Playing Disappearing Act: Is It Good For U 

Post#83 » by ChildishGambino » Wed May 2, 2012 8:55 pm

thelead wrote:Ryan is a 4th option. Period. Would you pick ryan over any of these third options: ginobli, bosh, Bynum, harden? Not even close.

of course not but he's not on the spurs/heat/lakers/OKC....on this team as it stands he should be the second option...period....and it's not close....now if we had better players the case differs but we don't so......on this team as the roster stands he should be the second option after Dwight.....of course that's my opinion....
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Re: Ryan Anderson Playing Disappearing Act: Is It Good For U 

Post#84 » by The Real Dalic » Wed May 2, 2012 8:59 pm

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thelead wrote:Ryan is a 4th option. Period. Would you pick ryan over any of these third options: ginobli, bosh, Bynum, harden? Not even close.

of course not but he's not on the spurs/heat/lakers/OKC....on this team as it stands he should be the second option...period....and it's not close....now if we had better players the case differs but we don't so......on this team as the roster stands he should be the second option after Dwight.....of course that's my opinion....

I disagree. It needs to be Jameer IMO. Ryan has to be the third option on this team when we're fully healthy. But Jameer can hit 3 pointers, mid-range jumpshots, and slash every now and then. He's our better second option.
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Re: Ryan Anderson Playing Disappearing Act: Is It Good For U 

Post#85 » by mhectorgato » Wed May 2, 2012 9:01 pm

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thelead wrote:Ryan is a 4th option. Period. Would you pick ryan over any of these third options: ginobli, bosh, Bynum, harden? Not even close.

of course not but he's not on the spurs/heat/lakers/OKC....on this team as it stands he should be the second option...period....and it's not close....now if we had better players the case differs but we don't so......on this team as the roster stands he should be the second option after Dwight.....of course that's my opinion....

I disagree. It needs to be Jameer IMO. Ryan has to be the third option on this team when we're fully healthy. But Jameer can hit 3 pointers, mid-range jumpshots, and slash every now and then. He's our better second option.


But he said "on this team as it stands he should be the second option...period..."

How can you argue it, after all he said "period"? Doesn't that mean it's irrefutable?
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Re: Ryan Anderson Playing Disappearing Act: Is It Good For U 

Post#86 » by The Real Dalic » Wed May 2, 2012 9:05 pm

mhectorgato wrote:But he said "on this team as it stands he should be the second option...period..."

How can you argue it, after all he said "period"? Doesn't that mean it's irrefutable?

:lol:

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know. I need to read the RealGM manual again.
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Re: Ryan Anderson Playing Disappearing Act: Is It Good For U 

Post#87 » by mhectorgato » Wed May 2, 2012 9:09 pm

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mhectorgato wrote:But he said "on this team as it stands he should be the second option...period..."

How can you argue it, after all he said "period"? Doesn't that mean it's irrefutable?

:lol:

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know. I need to read the RealGM manual again.


Sorry ... just a pet peeve (I know ... one of my many) of mine. It's something the late maginno used to do as well.

It's as if when it's being typed, the person is saying to themselves "I've made the point so conclusively that it can't be refuted, therefore it's a "closed case"."
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Post#88 » by p0peye » Wed May 2, 2012 9:19 pm

mhectorgato wrote:Sorry ... just a pet peeve (I know ... one of my many) of mine. It's something the late maginno used to do as well.


Sorry for going offtopic, but why late?
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Post#89 » by OrlandO » Wed May 2, 2012 9:19 pm

mhectorgato wrote:But he said "on this team as it stands he should be the second option...period..."

How can you argue it, after all he said "period"? Doesn't that mean it's irrefutable?

Maybe he was typing on his smartphone using speech to text... :lol:
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Re: Ryan Anderson Playing Disappearing Act: Is It Good For U 

Post#90 » by mhectorgato » Wed May 2, 2012 9:21 pm

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mhectorgato wrote:Sorry ... just a pet peeve (I know ... one of my many) of mine. It's something the late maginno used to do as well.


Sorry for going offtopic, but why late?


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Post#91 » by thelead » Wed May 2, 2012 9:35 pm

My point being, on a championship team (like the lakers, heat, thunder, spurs), Ryan would not be close to the level of the 3rd options of those teams. Now, if we can somehow keep him as a 4th option while also finding a first option and third option, I am game. Unfortunately, that scenario seems like a dream at this point.
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Post#92 » by MoMM » Wed May 2, 2012 9:37 pm

And if we offer him a 10mi/1year deal? This way we would have cap space in 2013, could use him as a trade bait and could evaluate him for one more season before giving him a long-term deal. NJ made a similar move with Kris Humphries this season.
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Re: Ryan Anderson Playing Disappearing Act: Is It Good For U 

Post#93 » by The Real Dalic » Wed May 2, 2012 9:39 pm

MoMM wrote:And if we offer him a 10mi/1year deal? This way we would have cap space in 2013, could use him as a trade bait and could evaluate him for one more season. NJ made a similar move with Kris Humphries this season.

I'll throw a 20mil/1yr deal at him if it keeps him around and we don't ruin our cap for '13 if we have too.
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Re: Ryan Anderson Playing Disappearing Act: Is It Good For U 

Post#94 » by OrlChamps2030 » Wed May 2, 2012 9:41 pm

Eyriq:

I remember in another thread you put Ryan Anderson in your Top 35.

Was that an exaggeration or is that how you truly feel?

To me, claiming Ryan Anderson is a Top 35 player means he should be a #2a. option or a #1 option... which I can't agree with.

It also means he should get paid like a Top 35 player. He is more of a top 50-60 guy to me.
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Post#95 » by magicman123 » Wed May 2, 2012 9:42 pm

Brian K. Schmitz ‏ @MagicInsider

League is watching restricted free agent-to-be Ryan Anderson, and the Pacers are hurting his value.
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Post#96 » by OrlChamps2030 » Wed May 2, 2012 9:44 pm

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Brian K. Schmitz ‏ @MagicInsider

League is watching restricted free agent-to-be Ryan Anderson, and the Pacers are hurting his value.


Wow at a insider stealing my RealGM thread as "insider info"

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Post#97 » by MoMM » Wed May 2, 2012 9:45 pm

magicman123 wrote:
Brian K. Schmitz ‏ @MagicInsider

League is watching restricted free agent-to-be Ryan Anderson, and the Pacers are hurting his value.

I always liked Pacers since Reggie, Double-Davis and Mark Jackson days :lol:
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Post#98 » by p0peye » Wed May 2, 2012 9:45 pm

MoMM wrote:And if we offer him a 10mi/1year deal? This way we would have cap space in 2013, could use him as a trade bait and could evaluate him for one more season before giving him a long-term deal. NJ made a similar move with Kris Humphries this season.


One year deal is OK, but I doubt it happens.

Ryan is restricted FA this offseason and most likely Otis will offer him QA and wait on other GM offer to decide if we should match or not. Chances are it will either be 3M/1 year or big multiyear deal.

Ryan is no Kris Humphries, he will get offers.
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Post#99 » by MoMM » Wed May 2, 2012 9:47 pm

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MoMM wrote:And if we offer him a 10mi/1year deal? This way we would have cap space in 2013, could use him as a trade bait and could evaluate him for one more season before giving him a long-term deal. NJ made a similar move with Kris Humphries this season.


One year deal is OK, but I doubt it happens.

Ryan is restricted FA this offseason and most likely Otis will offer him QA and wait on other GM offer to decide if we should match or not. Chances are it will either be 3M/1 year or big multiyear deal.

Ryan is no Kris Humphries, he will get offers.

But maybe he prefers to sign 10mi for 1 year and get really paid next offseason (betting he will get better and demand a big paycheck) than 25mi for 4 years this offseason.

Imagine if we sign Nash with our MLE... Ryan's numbers will get really good.
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Re: Ryan Anderson Playing Disappearing Act: Is It Good For U 

Post#100 » by Bensational » Wed May 2, 2012 10:09 pm

eyriq wrote:Using RealGM metrics Ryan: Six Sweater Vests to one Dunce Cap.

He's received the second most recognition for helping us win games, second only to Dwight, and he has only cost us one game, but he is wildly inconsistent worthy of scorn? I don't think so. By every measure he is easily our second best player and he has been doing it all year, with or without Dwight.

What his no shows should tell us is that he is not a good first option or go to player. Thing is, with Dwight we aren't looking for a first option as Dwight has that covered. We need a hyper-efficient sidekick and an all star level setup man. Ryan clearly checks off one of those boxes.


average PPG against Boston in 3 games this year: 8pts (0, 12, 12) (L, L, L)

average PPG against Chicago in 3 games this year: 8.7pts (5, 11, 10) (L, W, L)

average PPG against Atlanta in 3 games this year: 12.3pts (21, 10, 6) (L, L, L)

average PPG against Miami in 3 games this year: 14.3pts (27, 9, 16) (W, L, W)

average PPG against Indiana in 4 games this year: 14.8pts (24, 11, 12, 12) (W, L, W, W)

average PPG against OKC in 2 games this year: 20pts (25 ,16) (L, L)


Look at those numbers and try to tell me there is some kind of consistency there. What Ryan will show up on what night? If he were "hyper-efficient" he would produce CONSISTENT NUMBERS. he wouldn't be up and down the way he is. he wouldn't average 8 points against one of the other elite teams in the conference.

if you're talking about including Ryan as #3 in a trio built around Dwight, then you'd better hope you've got a Dwayne Wade/Chris Paul type #1b option, because otherwise you're back to depending on a guy who can't be depended on.

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