Official Speculation Thread Pt.LXII

[ZeusIsLoose]

So I wonder when/if we're ever going to be big FA shopping again..?

Next summer.

It will depend on what The Magic need after any trades this season and their pick in the June Draft.

Thanks, but by that do you mean this coming summer 2014 or 2015?

i highly doubt we spend money next summer. i mean who is out there that is worth the money? Lebron, D Wade, Kobe, and Bosh arent coming here.

[Howard Mass]

So I wonder when/if we're ever going to be big FA shopping again..?

Next summer.

It will depend on what The Magic need after any trades this season and their pick in the June Draft.

Thanks, but by that do you mean this coming summer 2014 or 2015?

2014 but it's not a given they will spend big bucks. You do not want to waste your money on the wrong player. What it does do is give The Magic flexibility.

[XonezIOIzenoX]

When is Kevin Durant Contract up? I believe the Magic will be big on getting him.

Nevermind, summer of 2016 I believe the Magic will go after him.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Ive said it before and I'll say it again, imo Harkless has a higher ceiling than Harris and he will be the better overall player. He's already better defensively, slashing to the rim/getting the the FT line, and it seems he can adapt better to who he's playing with on the court.

I posed a question back on Aug 20th that asked whether or not Harris had issues having to play off of other scorers at times, or does he need to have the ball and take a bunch of shots to stay engaged in games. It's obviously early, but Im still interested in seeing how he plays full time with other guys who can score. I think he tops out at about 16 and 7 personally.

[Optimus_Steel]

Ive said it before and I'll say it again, imo Harkless has a higher ceiling than Harris and he will be the better overall player. He's already better defensively, slashing to the rim/getting the the FT line, and it seems he can adapt better to who he's playing with on the court.

I posed a question back on Aug 20th that asked whether or not Harris had issues having to play off of other scorers at times, or does he need to have the ball and take a bunch of shots to stay engaged in games. It's obviously early, but Im still interested in seeing how he plays full time with other guys who can score. I think he tops out at about 16 and 7 personally.

I think I agree with Neon on this one. Harris is a much more skilled player right now and will probably be still more skilled in years. Harris just has that natural feel for the game and he is not passive. But I feel like Hark can and will make some big strides.

Just thinking about Dipo and Hark hounding perimeter players in the back court with their length and quickness has me salivating. Its something this team has never had until now but they have a lot to learn to get to that point consistently. Harris also seems adept at stepping in on passing lanes.

[trebone]

Ibaka/Perkins for AA/Nicholson/BBD/ny or den 1st?

[Blue_and_Whte]

Ive said it before and I'll say it again, imo Harkless has a higher ceiling than Harris and he will be the better overall player. He's already better defensively, slashing to the rim/getting the the FT line, and it seems he can adapt better to who he's playing with on the court.

I posed a question back on Aug 20th that asked whether or not Harris had issues having to play off of other scorers at times, or does he need to have the ball and take a bunch of shots to stay engaged in games. It's obviously early, but Im still interested in seeing how he plays full time with other guys who can score. I think he tops out at about 16 and 7 personally.

I think I agree with Neon on this one. Harris is a much more skilled player right now and will probably be still more skilled in years. Harris just has that natural feel for the game and he is not passive. But I feel like Hark can and will make some big strides.

Just thinking about Dipo and Hark hounding perimeter players in the back court with their length and quickness has me salivating. Its something this team has never had until now but they have a lot to learn to get to that point consistently. Harris also seems adept at stepping in on passing lanes.

Harkless doesnt have to be at the same exact level basketball wise as Harris just because they're close in age we dont live in a bubble and no two players develop at the same rate nor do they have the same strengths when they hit their ceilings.

[Neon1]

Ive said it before and I'll say it again, imo Harkless has a higher ceiling than Harris and he will be the better overall player. He's already better defensively, slashing to the rim/getting the the FT line, and it seems he can adapt better to who he's playing with on the court.

I posed a question back on Aug 20th that asked whether or not Harris had issues having to play off of other scorers at times, or does he need to have the ball and take a bunch of shots to stay engaged in games. It's obviously early, but Im still interested in seeing how he plays full time with other guys who can score. I think he tops out at about 16 and 7 personally.

I think I agree with Neon on this one. Harris is a much more skilled player right now and will probably be still more skilled in years. Harris just has that natural feel for the game and he is not passive. But I feel like Hark can and will make some big strides.

Just thinking about Dipo and Hark hounding perimeter players in the back court with their length and quickness has me salivating. Its something this team has never had until now but they have a lot to learn to get to that point consistently. Harris also seems adept at stepping in on passing lanes.

Harkless doesnt have to be at the same exact level basketball wise as Harris just because they're close in age we dont live in a bubble and no two players develop at the same rate nor do they have the same strengths when they hit their ceilings.

He is not even close. Can't dribble, can't pass, cant shoot, either can't or just doesn't rebound, either can't or just doesn't play hard or focused. He CAN play passing lanes, he can jump quickly around the rim for dunks, he can leak out in transition, he can cut to the basket for a pass when he is the guy the other team leaves alone.

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[j-ragg]

I think I agree with Neon on this one. Harris is a much more skilled player right now and will probably be still more skilled in years. Harris just has that natural feel for the game and he is not passive. But I feel like Hark can and will make some big strides.

Just thinking about Dipo and Hark hounding perimeter players in the back court with their length and quickness has me salivating. Its something this team has never had until now but they have a lot to learn to get to that point consistently. Harris also seems adept at stepping in on passing lanes.

Harkless doesnt have to be at the same exact level basketball wise as Harris just because they're close in age we dont live in a bubble and no two players develop at the same rate nor do they have the same strengths when they hit their ceilings.

He is not even close. Can't dribble, can't pass, cant shoot, either can't or just doesn't rebound, either can't or just doesn't play hard or focused. He CAN play passing lanes, he can jump quickly around the rim for dunks, he can leak out in transition, he can cut to the basket for a pass when he is the guy the other team leaves alone.

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This.

He'll never be any kind of creator. Yes, he's young, but when you're 20 years old and still falling over she trying to dribble to the hoop you're not going to just suddenly turn into a good ball handler. He'll be a good role player for a long time in the league, nothing wrong with that, but Harris will be a borderline all-star for the majority of his prime.

[Gomagic44]

Ive said it before and I'll say it again, imo Harkless has a higher ceiling than Harris and he will be the better overall player. He's already better defensively, slashing to the rim/getting the the FT line, and it seems he can adapt better to who he's playing with on the court.

I posed a question back on Aug 20th that asked whether or not Harris had issues having to play off of other scorers at times, or does he need to have the ball and take a bunch of shots to stay engaged in games. It's obviously early, but Im still interested in seeing how he plays full time with other guys who can score. I think he tops out at about 16 and 7 personally.

I guess I'm a bit of a homer but I like the both of them. I think Harkless will stay the better defender. Hark is indeed good at slashing, but his shot is lacking. Tobias has a prettier shot, can create better and seems more fluid. I hope they both get the opportunity to develop further this year, and that Jacque has plays that benefit the both of them.

[RYgoBOOM]

So many people are over blowing moes preseason stats lol. He averaged less rebounds in preseason so this means he will be under his AVG from last year?

I can't wait to see how he does this year and when he starts turning some of you guys into believers!

[T-Rob]

Harkless is much better defensively now than Harris will ever be.
I dont think you can say that about Harkless' offense. I am not saying Harkless will be a great player but to say he is just a role player I think is undervaluing his talents. Only Dipo can dethrone Hark as the best defensive player on this team and thats not even a sure thing yet. All you offensive minded folks are just enamored with the offensive ability of Harris and rightfully so, I am too but I think the potential of Harkless is through the roof. He does already what most stars hate to do and that is to D up. So what I am saying is it is too early to give up on Harkless starting for this team. Harris deserves to start showing what he has shown so far offensively and Harkless deserves to start showing what he has defensively. Honestly I dont know why this is even a discussion at this point. You arent rebuilding with Aflalo as an important part of your future so sit him or keep Harris at the 4. He is not quick enough to stay with most 3's in the league defensively anyways.

[Neon1]

So many people are over blowing moes preseason stats lol. He averaged less rebounds in preseason so this means he will be under his AVG from last year?

I can't wait to see how he does this year and when he starts turning some of you guys into believers!

Moe's rebounding dropped off LAST year as he got more playing time. I noticed it back then, I just let it slide. The drop has continued through the offseason and preseason.

Last season splits
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... lits/2013/

Preseason
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6591 ... e-harkless

[Blue_and_Whte]

I think I agree with Neon on this one. Harris is a much more skilled player right now and will probably be still more skilled in years. Harris just has that natural feel for the game and he is not passive. But I feel like Hark can and will make some big strides.

Just thinking about Dipo and Hark hounding perimeter players in the back court with their length and quickness has me salivating. Its something this team has never had until now but they have a lot to learn to get to that point consistently. Harris also seems adept at stepping in on passing lanes.

Harkless doesnt have to be at the same exact level basketball wise as Harris just because they're close in age we dont live in a bubble and no two players develop at the same rate nor do they have the same strengths when they hit their ceilings.

He is not even close. Can't dribble, can't pass, cant shoot, either can't or just doesn't rebound, either can't or just doesn't play hard or focused. He CAN play passing lanes, he can jump quickly around the rim for dunks, he can leak out in transition, he can cut to the basket for a pass when he is the guy the other team leaves alone.

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Wow.....Way to spin it to make it look like we have the worst player in the history of the NBA.

He can score off the dribble as you've seen multiple times slashing to the basket and finishing or getting to the FT line more than anyone not name Oladipo as I'm sure you've seen. The release on his shot has improved thus so has his FT shooting which I'm positive you've seen, his 3PT shot isnt there yet but imo it WILL get better overall. He's leaps and bounds better defensively better than Harris can ever dream of being. His rebounding will increase this season to about what Harris averages...easily. Not even worried about it.

[Blue_and_Whte]

So many people are over blowing moes preseason stats lol. He averaged less rebounds in preseason so this means he will be under his AVG from last year?

I can't wait to see how he does this year and when he starts turning some of you guys into believers!

Moe's rebounding dropped off LAST year as he got more playing time. I noticed it back then, I just let it slide. The drop has continued through the offseason and preseason.

Last season splits
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... lits/2013/

Preseason
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6591 ... e-harkless

Post ALl star his RPG went up to 5.3 from 3.8

And stop with the preseason stats. If we're going by that then Harris's avg 12 ppg...gross.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Harkless is much better defensively now than Harris will ever be.
I dont think you can say that about Harkless' offense. I am not saying Harkless will be a great player but to say he is just a role player I think is undervaluing his talents. Only Dipo can dethrone Hark as the best defensive player on this team and thats not even a sure thing yet. All you offensive minded folks are just enamored with the offensive ability of Harris and rightfully so, I am too but I think the potential of Harkless is through the roof. He does already what most stars hate to do and that is to D up. So what I am saying is it is too early to give up on Harkless starting for this team. Harris deserves to start showing what he has shown so far offensively and Harkless deserves to start showing what he has defensively. Honestly I dont know why this is even a discussion at this point. You arent rebuilding with Aflalo as an important part of your future so sit him or keep Harris at the 4. He is not quick enough to stay with most 3's in the league defensively anyways.

Well, WHEN Harkless extends his game beyond the 3PT line they can slide him to the 2 moving Harris to the 3 I think Harris can stay with 3's you just wont get the same defense as you get from Harkless.

[Neon1]

So many people are over blowing moes preseason stats lol. He averaged less rebounds in preseason so this means he will be under his AVG from last year?

I can't wait to see how he does this year and when he starts turning some of you guys into believers!

Moe's rebounding dropped off LAST year as he got more playing time. I noticed it back then, I just let it slide. The drop has continued through the offseason and preseason.

Last season splits
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... lits/2013/

Preseason
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6591 ... e-harkless

Post ALl star his RPG went up to 5.3 from 3.8

And stop with the preseason stats. If we're going by that then Harris's avg 12 ppg...gross.

Moe averaged 3.8rpg in 19.6 (pre all star) to 5.3rpg in 35.7mpg (post all star). You know how to read stats don't pretend to be dumb.

Same as you know good and well Tobias averaging 12.3pts 5.0rpg 1.8apg 0.75blk in only 22.5mpg.

Which is 19.6ppg 8.0rpg 2.8apg 1.2blk per36 which you know you are well aware of. You are not clueless to this.

[rcklsscognition]

The odds are so stacked against Harkless to improve by leaps and bounds. Regardless if age it just so rarely happens.

[thelead]

Harkless is, should be, and will be a bench player unless he develops rapidly. I don't see it but I hope he does develop. If we happen to draft Parker or Wiggins, it's game over for him in Orlando.

[fendilim]

Harkless is, should be, and will be a bench player unless he develops rapidly. I don't see it but I hope he does develop. If we happen to draft Parker or Wiggins, it's game over for him in Orlando.

Couldnt agree more