2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk

[UnFadeable21]

If the Magic trade Gordon and Fourmier and Ennis play out their 1 year deals they have left and Orlando tanks:

They could have enough for one max free agent signing in 2021.

Let’s say this year they draft Maxey at 15. Trade AG, let Fourmier and Ennis expire. Isaac comes back

2021, sign DeRozan or Dinwiddle.

Fultz
Maxey
DeRozan
Isaac
Vuc

Now they are pretty solid and could be a 4-6 seed in the East.

If they don’t trade, they are and will be stuck in the middle of not being able to do anything.

Lol, derozan?

Come on

His name came up in the The Atheltic Orlando Magic Mail Bag.

But the saying is true. Orlando needs to clear their books for one big free agent signing in 2021 otherwise they are stuck in the middle and getting crushed in the first round.

[BlueBlazer]

If the Magic trade Gordon and Fourmier and Ennis play out their 1 year deals they have left and Orlando tanks:

They could have enough for one max free agent signing in 2021.

Let’s say this year they draft Maxey at 15. Trade AG, let Fourmier and Ennis expire. Isaac comes back

2021, sign DeRozan or Dinwiddle.

Fultz
Maxey
DeRozan
Isaac
Vuc

Now they are pretty solid and could be a 4-6 seed in the East.

If they don’t trade, they are and will be stuck in the middle of not being able to do anything.

Lol, derozan?

Come on

His name came up in the The Atheltic Orlando Magic Mail Bag.

But the saying is true. Orlando needs to clear their books for one big free agent signing in 2021 otherwise they are stuck in the middle and getting crushed in the first round.

DeRozan will be too old at that point to warrant a large contract. Still not enough shooting either, IMO. I like the idea of taking Maxey if he makes it to us.

[UnFadeable21]

The Athletic

Orlando Magic Cap Situation

By Josh Robbins

Are we trying to get a big-time free agent this free agency, like DeMar DeRozan? — @MarkelleGoated

You ask an important question because the Magic need to upgrade their talent, especially on the offensive end of the floor. It sure would be nice for them to have someone who could be given the ball late in a close game and be tasked with creating a shot for himself. DeMar DeRozan did that to the Magic plenty of times during his Toronto Raptors tenure.

But I do not envision the Magic attempting to sign a big-time free agent this summer.

The issue is the Magic’s salary-cap situation.

We do not know what the salary cap and luxury tax figures will be for the upcoming season. The pandemic has caused a significant, unplanned loss of revenue that will have to be addressed by the league and the National Basketball Players Association.

But even if we assume that the 2020-21 salary-cap figure will be the same as it was this past season, $109 million, the Magic figure to have little to no money under the cap to spend on free agents.

The guaranteed 2020-21 salaries for Al-Farouq Aminu, Mo Bamba, Khem Birch, Markelle Fultz, Aaron Gordon, Jonathan Isaac, Terrence Ross and Nikola Vucevic add up to a combined $96.0 million.

That figure does not even include the salaries of Okeke and whomever the Magic draft 15th overall next month. Also not included: the $17.2 million player option that Evan Fournier can exercise, the $2.1 million player option that James Ennis III can exercise and the cap holds for the team’s own free agents, D.J. Augustin, Michael Carter-Williams and Gary Clark.

So whatever way you look at it, the Magic almost certainly will either have no cap space at all or less cap space than the non-taxpayer mid-level exception.

Either of those two scenarios would not leave the Magic with enough money to sign a premier free agent.

DeRozan, by the way, will not necessarily become a free agent. He has a player option for the 2020-21 season that is worth $27.7 million. If I were him, I’d exercise that option and remain with the San Antonio Spurs for the season ahead.

Still, it’s funny that you mention DeRozan. He can get to the foul line, and that is a dimension the Magic lack. His 6.6 free-throw attempts per game last season would have led Orlando by a wide margin. (Aaron Gordon averaged a team-high 3.6 free-throw attempts per game in 2019-20.)

Here’s another bit of trivia for you: DeRozan has scored at least 25 points in eight of his 29 career regular-season games against Orlando, according to Basketball-Reference.

But I digress.

I will write a detailed look at the Magic’s cap situation — with fancy tables! — once there is some clarity on the league’s 2020-21 cap and tax figures.

If the cap is at $109 million and the Magic could get rid of Fourmier, AG, and Ennis, they would be at the $76 million salary mark for the 2021 season when Isaac returns. They would then have real cap space to sign 1 max free agent like a Bradley Beal or two guys like Dinwiddle and another player at $15 million each.

[drsd]

If the cap is at $109 million and the Magic could get rid of Fourmier, AG, and Ennis, they would be at the $76 million salary mark for the 2021 season when Isaac returns. They would then have real cap space to sign 1 max free agent like a Bradley Beal or two guys like Dinwiddle and another player at $15 million each.

Recall the Magic need to make contract decisions on Fultz and Issac and that needs to add-up on top of the 76M salary line.


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[MasterGMer]

The Athletic

Orlando Magic Cap Situation

By Josh Robbins

Are we trying to get a big-time free agent this free agency, like DeMar DeRozan? — @MarkelleGoated

You ask an important question because the Magic need to upgrade their talent, especially on the offensive end of the floor. It sure would be nice for them to have someone who could be given the ball late in a close game and be tasked with creating a shot for himself. DeMar DeRozan did that to the Magic plenty of times during his Toronto Raptors tenure.

But I do not envision the Magic attempting to sign a big-time free agent this summer.

The issue is the Magic’s salary-cap situation.

We do not know what the salary cap and luxury tax figures will be for the upcoming season. The pandemic has caused a significant, unplanned loss of revenue that will have to be addressed by the league and the National Basketball Players Association.

But even if we assume that the 2020-21 salary-cap figure will be the same as it was this past season, $109 million, the Magic figure to have little to no money under the cap to spend on free agents.

The guaranteed 2020-21 salaries for Al-Farouq Aminu, Mo Bamba, Khem Birch, Markelle Fultz, Aaron Gordon, Jonathan Isaac, Terrence Ross and Nikola Vucevic add up to a combined $96.0 million.

That figure does not even include the salaries of Okeke and whomever the Magic draft 15th overall next month. Also not included: the $17.2 million player option that Evan Fournier can exercise, the $2.1 million player option that James Ennis III can exercise and the cap holds for the team’s own free agents, D.J. Augustin, Michael Carter-Williams and Gary Clark.

So whatever way you look at it, the Magic almost certainly will either have no cap space at all or less cap space than the non-taxpayer mid-level exception.

Either of those two scenarios would not leave the Magic with enough money to sign a premier free agent.

DeRozan, by the way, will not necessarily become a free agent. He has a player option for the 2020-21 season that is worth $27.7 million. If I were him, I’d exercise that option and remain with the San Antonio Spurs for the season ahead.

Still, it’s funny that you mention DeRozan. He can get to the foul line, and that is a dimension the Magic lack. His 6.6 free-throw attempts per game last season would have led Orlando by a wide margin. (Aaron Gordon averaged a team-high 3.6 free-throw attempts per game in 2019-20.)

Here’s another bit of trivia for you: DeRozan has scored at least 25 points in eight of his 29 career regular-season games against Orlando, according to Basketball-Reference.

But I digress.

I will write a detailed look at the Magic’s cap situation — with fancy tables! — once there is some clarity on the league’s 2020-21 cap and tax figures.

If the cap is at $109 million and the Magic could get rid of Fourmier, AG, and Ennis, they would be at the $76 million salary mark for the 2021 season when Isaac returns. They would then have real cap space to sign 1 max free agent like a Bradley Beal or two guys like Dinwiddle and another player at $15 million each.

Regardless of we resign Isaac and Fultz, we still have their cap holds which is applied for RFA. So we won't be 76 million

[UnFadeable21]

I thought you can use your open cap space to sign free agents and then go over the soft cap to resign your own guys.

[UnFadeable21]

Orlando Magic Free Agent List


2020

DJ Augustin

Evan Fournier (player)

Wes Iwundu (restricted)

Michael Carter-Williams

Melvin Frazier Jr. (team)

Vic Law (restricted)

BJ Johnson (restricted)

Gary Clark (restricted)

2021

Markelle Fultz (restricted)

Khem Birch

Al-Farouq Aminu (player)

Jonathan Isaac (restricted)

James Ennis III (player)

[Bensational]

I thought you can use your open cap space to sign free agents and then go over the soft cap to resign your own guys.

Nah, it's not that straight forward. Unsigned free agents count against your cap space with a cap hold, if you want to preserve their bird rights - which is what allows you to sign them. Generally the cap hold is larger than the contract the player will get. Fultz has a $25M cap hold the year he's a RFA, for example.

So it's a dance of waiving bird rights to clear enough space to sign a new free agent and still have a couple guys on bird rights to re-sign on top.

[Skybox]

Different direction...

Vuc and Evan for Wiggins and #2 + TPE
AG to MIN for JJ + 17 (would try for Culver)

Draft Obi Toppin at 2 and Maxey or Terry or Lewis at 15, BPA at 17(Bey, Flynn, McDaniel?)

Bamba/a vet FA-Noel? Lopez?/ Birch
Toppin/Aminu /Clark(Isaac)
Wiggins/Okeke/Iwundu
TRoss/Maxey/Ennis
Fultz/Lewis/MCW

Would be Wild ...an alternative but similar twist could be Markannen rather than Toppin. Obviously, we’d need big D from Bamba, our guards, and ultimately, Isaac...but offensively, if we can move the ball, there’s a lot of firepower and versatility.

[T-Cat]

Different direction...

Vuc and Evan for Wiggins and #2 + TPE
AG to MIN for JJ + 17 (would try for Culver)

Draft Obi Toppin at 2 and Maxey or Terry or Lewis at 15, BPA at 17(Bey, Flynn, McDaniel?)

Bamba/a vet FA-Noel? Lopez?/ Birch
Toppin/Aminu /Clark(Isaac)
Wiggins/Okeke/Iwundu
TRoss/Maxey/Ennis
Fultz/Lewis/MCW

Would be Wild ...an alternative but similar twist could be Markannen rather than Toppin. Obviously, we’d need big D from Bamba, our guards, and ultimately, Isaac...but offensively, if we can move the ball, there’s a lot of firepower and versatility.

Trade AG to Sun's for Obure and 10th pick instead!

We have #2 pick, 10th pick and 15th pick (IMO warriors ask for 15th pick as well to select Bey).

Draft Ball if Available, if not draft Poku at 2 then package Wiggins, Aminu with picks to cut salary!

Or select Edwards with #2 and select Poku at 10 if available!

[Bensational]

ATL: Fournier + Aminu + Bamba

ORL: #6 + Dedmon

Atlanta gets win-now help from Fournier and Aminu, and a long term prospect in Bamba still.

Magic take Hayes/Haliburton at #6 (I get the feeling those would be the trade up targets - maybe Pok, if they've traded Bamba).

At #15 they see who's available out of Pok (whom I don't think lasts this long)/McDaniels/Bey/Green

Vuc/Dedmon
Gordon/McDaniels
Ennis/Okeke
Haliburton/Ross
Fultz/?

WeHam take Haliburton as someone who can become a vocal leader on the floor for the team, be an on and off ball shooting threat, great passer, strong defender. They go big at 15, looking for a body to replace Aminu and Bamba for the long term. We also shave $20M off the books this offseason, which we could use on someone like Joe Harris if we wanted to.

Alternatively, they go big earlier and take Pok at #6, and then take one of the guards at #15 out of Maxey/Lewis/Green/Bey maybe?

Vuc/Dedmon
Gordon/Pok
Ennis/Okeke
Maxey/Ross
Fultz/?

[PrimeThyme]

Our expected rotation next season is truly vomit inducing. We’re capped out, a projected 9th seed, and will be without our most promising player for the season.

I’m looking for anything to get excited about. Maybe Fultz or Bamba can take some sort of jump. Maybe okeke turns into something. Maybe we strike gold with our pick. Maybe Fournier decides to opt out and go overseas. Or just retire. That would work too.

All that feels like grasping at straws though. I hope to be wrong.

[Bensational]

Our expected rotation next season is truly vomit inducing. We’re capped out, a projected 9th seed, and will be without our most promising player for the season.

I’m looking for anything to get excited about. Maybe Fultz or Bamba can take some sort of jump. Maybe okeke turns into something. Maybe we strike gold with our pick. Maybe Fournier decides to opt out and go overseas. Or just retire. That would work too.

All that feels like grasping at straws though. I hope to be wrong.

If they keep the play-in format then unfortunately it offers WeHam an even lower rung of success they'll likely be happy with. Just staying with the range to try to play-in, which could mean another 35 win record will suffice.

I'm pretty excited for the draft though. Thankfully, it's a very forgiving draft for me because I like a lot of the players, so WeHam are going to have to really try hard to disappoint me. Whilst I'm hopeful Fournier is moved just for the change, I'm doubtful, since WeHam have let everyone else enter FA so far.

[JBSouthpaw]

Our expected rotation next season is truly vomit inducing. We’re capped out, a projected 9th seed, and will be without our most promising player for the season.

I’m looking for anything to get excited about. Maybe Fultz or Bamba can take some sort of jump. Maybe okeke turns into something. Maybe we strike gold with our pick. Maybe Fournier decides to opt out and go overseas. Or just retire. That would work too.

All that feels like grasping at straws though. I hope to be wrong.

I'm holding out hope for Okeke and our draft pick. That is all I got, unless there is a trade.

[UnFadeable21]

Projected max and exception values

Max (10-plus years of service)

Starting salary: $38.2 million

Five-year max (incumbent team): $221.6 million

Four-year max (cap space team): $164.3 million

Projected players: None

Max (7-9 years of service)

Starting salary: $32.7 million

Five-year max (incumbent team): $189.9 million

Four-year max (cap space team): $140.8 million

Projected players: Anthony Davis

Max (0-6 years of service)

Starting salary: $27.3 million

Five-year max (incumbent team): $158.3 million

Four-year max (cap space team): $117.3 million

Projected players: Brandon Ingram

Full midlevel exception

Starting salary: $9.3 million

Four-year max: $39.8 million

Applies to teams over the cap but under the tax

Taxpayer midlevel exception

Starting salary: $5.7 million

Three-year max: $18 million

Applies to teams over the tax or teams that do not want to trigger the hard cap

Room exception

Starting salary: $4.8 million

Two-year max (cap space team): $9.8 million

Bi-annual exception

Starting salary: $3.6 million

Two-year max (cap space team): $7.4 million

[basketballRob]

Fournier for Schroder makes sense.

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[pepe1991]

I would do Porter, White , 4th pick for Evan and Gordon and 15 pick swap.

Prefering to take Porter and re sign him on way better contract ( 4 years , 75M for example) , and draft Toppin or Vassell.

Magic projected 5 would be Fultz- White- Porter- Aminu- Vuc. White, Bamba, Okeke, 2020 pick, fillers bench.

This trade makes more sense down the line, if 2020 pick is anything, and whole SF position is solved. Porter is perfect 3 and D player every team needs. But his ugly contract makes him tradable.

[JBSouthpaw]

I would do Porter, White , 4th pick for Evan and Gordon and 15 pick swap.

Prefering to take Porter and re sign him on way better contract ( 4 years , 75M for example) , and draft Toppin or Vassell.

Magic projected 5 would be Fultz- White- Porter- Aminu- Vuc. White, Bamba, Okeke, 2020 pick, fillers bench.

This trade makes more sense down the line, if 2020 pick is anything, and whole SF position is solved. Porter is perfect 3 and D player every team needs. But his ugly contract makes him tradable.

I like Porter's offense, but doesn't something seem to be off with him? He's been pulled for some horrid lack of defense.

[pepe1991]

I would do Porter, White , 4th pick for Evan and Gordon and 15 pick swap.

Prefering to take Porter and re sign him on way better contract ( 4 years , 75M for example) , and draft Toppin or Vassell.

Magic projected 5 would be Fultz- White- Porter- Aminu- Vuc. White, Bamba, Okeke, 2020 pick, fillers bench.

This trade makes more sense down the line, if 2020 pick is anything, and whole SF position is solved. Porter is perfect 3 and D player every team needs. But his ugly contract makes him tradable.

I like Porter's offense, but doesn't something seem to be off with him? He's been pulled for some horrid lack of defense.

stats point out he is ok defender, he is just injury prone last year and a half.

Stand-still he is elite shooter, for i think 2 years he was player with highest 3 point percentage in nba.

[ucfmay2000]

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/paul-pierce-suggests-all-star-player-warriors-could-trade-no-2-pick?fbclid=IwAR3leAUnyyXN0oJgOzEF0IZdqHhsEjn_7A8B-yUzvohBkbkh5SbVzbe-PIw


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