Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2

[MoMM]

I am high on Josh Giddey. Would take him as high as 5. My ideal scenario is Cunningham + Giddey. What a burst of playmaking to this uncreative roster !

Unfortunately he can't shoot.

[zaymon]

I am high on Josh Giddey. Would take him as high as 5. My ideal scenario is Cunningham + Giddey. What a burst of playmaking to this uncreative roster !

Unfortunately he can't shoot.

He shoots a lot off the dribble, also he had a great end of the season if i remember correctly. Comparable numbers to Lamelo in NBL at 18 y.o.

[RookieStar]

What makes you choose Kispert over Wagner if we are talking about the SF and 3pt shooting only?

I love Wagner's game and both have the intangibles one wants as a fan in a late lottery pick. Both are winners.

I like Kispert over Wagner mostly for positional need; I would rather see a combo-wing drafted than a combo-forward.


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Sorry? But both are combo-wings. Wagner is "supposedly" just taller by 1inch but lighter(less bulky) than Kispert. Not to mention the fact he is younger by almost 3 years than Kispert.

[drsd]

Sorry? But both are combo-wings. Wagner is "supposedly" just taller by 1inch but lighter(less bulky) than Kispert. Not to mention the fact he is younger by almost 3 years than Kispert.

Wagner might have a lot more upside, but Kispert seems certain to be a viable rotational player immediately. Orlando could really use a rookie that is essentially assured to be a good 6-8 man on the roster. That is a value pick in the 9-range.

And again, I am happy if Orlando comes out with Wagner with the Bulls pick. The media won't be as mocks have him much, much lower than the 7-11 draft range. But I think he is a fine choice.

Why don't you like Kispert might be the real question?

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[drsd]

My ideal scenario is ....

My ideal scenario is that this season hurry up and end. I cannot take it emotionally to wish for Orlando to lose games.


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[RookieStar]

Sorry? But both are combo-wings. Wagner is "supposedly" just taller by 1inch but lighter(less bulky) than Kispert. Not to mention the fact he is younger by almost 3 years than Kispert.

Wagner might have a lot more upside, but Kispert seems certain to be a viable rotational player immediately. Orlando could really use a rookie that is essentially assured to be a good 6-8 man on the roster. That is a value pick in the 9-range.

And again, I am happy if Orlando comes out with Wagner with the Bulls pick. The media won't be as mocks have him much, much lower than the 7-11 draft range. But I think he is a fine choice.

Why don't you like Kispert might be the real question?

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Oh dont get me wrong, I def like Kispert as a player as well. Im just saying its a wash between him and Wagner in their position both in the game and in the draft. Kisperts maturity and shooting is balanced by Wagners potential and skill.

So im not gonna be mad if our FO would use a coin flip to choose betweent the 2.

Again my opinion will change after the intwrview/workout and combine though.

[drsd]

Oh dont get me wrong, I def like Kispert as a player as well. Im just saying its a wash between him and Wagner in their position both in the game and in the draft. Kisperts maturity and shooting is balanced by Wagners potential and skill.

So im not gonna be mad if our FO would use a coin flip to choose betweent the 2.

Again my opinion will change after the interview/workout and combine though.

I would love GMs to more consider "He's a winner" as part of their assessment criteria.



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[RookieStar]

Oh dont get me wrong, I def like Kispert as a player as well. Im just saying its a wash between him and Wagner in their position both in the game and in the draft. Kisperts maturity and shooting is balanced by Wagners potential and skill.

So im not gonna be mad if our FO would use a coin flip to choose betweent the 2.

Again my opinion will change after the interview/workout and combine though.

I would love GMs to more consider "He's a winner" as part of their assessment criteria.



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Well that would be good. However, you have to consider also MICHIGAN was/is a powerhouse "winning" team as well. In fact if you follow NCAA you would know MICH was winning against teams in their conference which is a lot stronger than what many considered GON's conference which is a "cupcake"

So, both are considered "winners" really.

[basketballRob]

If we strike out on Moody, Keon, and Barnes with the Bulls pick, I'd probably go with Giddey. He's putting up good stats in Australia at 18 years old. The stats from that league seem comparable to our league.

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[drsd]

So, both are considered "winners" really.

Kispert and Wagner are both "winners". And I personally value both higher than the media. For example, if I were a GM, my board would have both over Keon Johnson and Johnny Juzan.

[tiderulz]

Sorry? But both are combo-wings. Wagner is "supposedly" just taller by 1inch but lighter(less bulky) than Kispert. Not to mention the fact he is younger by almost 3 years than Kispert.

Wagner might have a lot more upside, but Kispert seems certain to be a viable rotational player immediately. Orlando could really use a rookie that is essentially assured to be a good 6-8 man on the roster. That is a value pick in the 9-range.

And again, I am happy if Orlando comes out with Wagner with the Bulls pick. The media won't be as mocks have him much, much lower than the 7-11 draft range. But I think he is a fine choice.

Why don't you like Kispert might be the real question?

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Oh dont get me wrong, I def like Kispert as a player as well. Im just saying its a wash between him and Wagner in their position both in the game and in the draft. Kisperts maturity and shooting is balanced by Wagners potential and skill.

So im not gonna be mad if our FO would use a coin flip to choose betweent the 2.

Again my opinion will change after the intwrview/workout and combine though.

i just cant see them as a wash right now. Kispert is an elite 3 pt shooter. also not a lock down defender but the effort is there and he fills up the box score, rebounds, assists, steals, etc. Franz looks to fill out the box score too, but not a good 3 pt shooter yet.

[tiderulz]

If we strike out on Moody, Keon, and Barnes with the Bulls pick, I'd probably go with Giddey. He's putting up good stats in Australia at 18 years old. The stats from that league seem comparable to our league.

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honest question, are the stats from that league comparable? RJ went played for New Zealand and looks lost. Dante Exum played in Australia and hasnt looked good in the NBA.

[GelbeWand09]

Oh dont get me wrong, I def like Kispert as a player as well. Im just saying its a wash between him and Wagner in their position both in the game and in the draft. Kisperts maturity and shooting is balanced by Wagners potential and skill.

So im not gonna be mad if our FO would use a coin flip to choose betweent the 2.

Again my opinion will change after the interview/workout and combine though.

I would love GMs to more consider "He's a winner" as part of their assessment criteria.



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I can understand the thinking but i still prefer who has the most talent or who the FO thinks gonna be the best player. If they think its Kispert, ok nice, when not they shoudnt draft him because he is a winner.
Its not like College winners like Juan Dixon, Justin Jackson, Tyus Johns, Jahlil Okafor, Winslow, Peyton Siva, Quinn Cook, Shabazz Napier, Wayne Elligton.... set the NBA world on fire just because they won a NCAA title.

[basketballRob]

If we strike out on Moody, Keon, and Barnes with the Bulls pick, I'd probably go with Giddey. He's putting up good stats in Australia at 18 years old. The stats from that league seem comparable to our league.

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honest question, are the stats from that league comparable? RJ went played for New Zealand and looks lost. Dante Exum played in Australia and hasnt looked good in the NBA.

I just glanced at them, but RJ and Lamelo's numbers seemed comparable. Exum only played professionally 75 minutes.

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[Magic#1]

If we strike out on Moody, Keon, and Barnes with the Bulls pick, I'd probably go with Giddey. He's putting up good stats in Australia at 18 years old. The stats from that league seem comparable to our league.

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honest question, are the stats from that league comparable? RJ went played for New Zealand and looks lost. Dante Exum played in Australia and hasnt looked good in the NBA.

I just glanced at them, but RJ and Lamelo's numbers seemed comparable. Exum only played professionally 75 minutes.

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I hadn't even heard of Giddey before but I am intrigued. If we get the Bulls' pick and he's available, I'd at least consider him. For me, it depends on how much you think his shooting can improve. For now, I still list Moody, Kispert and probably Bouknight and Wagner ahead of him, but that could change.

[pepe1991]

i'll hold my reservations over players that come from Australia and New Zealand, Lamelo was projected lottery pick when he was 14 years old kid .His father's attemp to create basketball league and pulling him away from college just made it that much hared for him to play anywhere.

I'm looking at this Giddey guy, and he does not have single nba ready skill.
Evan in his highlights you have dunk where he fails to hang on rim and falls -face first at the floor, than you have clear double dribble "spin" , looks like he has no speed at all, guy shoots 30,8% for 3 , so no jumpshot to tlak about today.
I remember Dante Exum hype despite videos showing him taking 15 years old girls off the dribble and him dribbling against chair.

Poor man Dario Saric imo.

This draft turns into such a sh*t fest after top 5 that it's hilarious.

[zaymon]

i'll hold my reservations over players that come from Australia and New Zealand, Lamelo was projected lottery pick when he was 14 years old kid .His father's attemp to create basketball league and pulling him away from college just made it that much hared for him to play anywhere.

I'm looking at this Giddey guy, and he does not have single nba ready skill.
Evan in his highlights you have dunk where he fails to hang on rim and falls -face first at the floor, than you have clear double dribble "spin" , looks like he has no speed at all, guy shoots 30,8% for 3 , so no jumpshot to tlak about today.
I remember Dante Exum hype despite videos showing him taking 15 years old girls off the dribble and him dribbling against chair.

Poor man Dario Saric imo.

This draft turns into such a sh*t fest after top 5 that it's hilarious.

Exum was all tools while Giddey is all skill. He has a long way to go athletically but thats a huge room for improvement also. Saric is not half of the passer Giddey is. We need some passers on our team. I am done watching Ross and Hampton really.

[tiderulz]

i'll hold my reservations over players that come from Australia and New Zealand, Lamelo was projected lottery pick when he was 14 years old kid .His father's attemp to create basketball league and pulling him away from college just made it that much hared for him to play anywhere.

I'm looking at this Giddey guy, and he does not have single nba ready skill.
Evan in his highlights you have dunk where he fails to hang on rim and falls -face first at the floor, than you have clear double dribble "spin" , looks like he has no speed at all, guy shoots 30,8% for 3 , so no jumpshot to tlak about today.
I remember Dante Exum hype despite videos showing him taking 15 years old girls off the dribble and him dribbling against chair.

Poor man Dario Saric imo.

This draft turns into such a sh*t fest after top 5 that it's hilarious.

Exum was all tools while Giddey is all skill. He has a long way to go athletically but thats a huge room for improvement also. Saric is not half of the passer Giddey is. We need some passers on our team. I am done watching Ross and Hampton really.

well, i would call shooting a skill and Giddey definitely does not have that.

[RookieStar]

Wagner might have a lot more upside, but Kispert seems certain to be a viable rotational player immediately. Orlando could really use a rookie that is essentially assured to be a good 6-8 man on the roster. That is a value pick in the 9-range.

And again, I am happy if Orlando comes out with Wagner with the Bulls pick. The media won't be as mocks have him much, much lower than the 7-11 draft range. But I think he is a fine choice.

Why don't you like Kispert might be the real question?

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Oh dont get me wrong, I def like Kispert as a player as well. Im just saying its a wash between him and Wagner in their position both in the game and in the draft. Kisperts maturity and shooting is balanced by Wagners potential and skill.

So im not gonna be mad if our FO would use a coin flip to choose betweent the 2.

Again my opinion will change after the intwrview/workout and combine though.

i just cant see them as a wash right now. Kispert is an elite 3 pt shooter. also not a lock down defender but the effort is there and he fills up the box score, rebounds, assists, steals, etc. Franz looks to fill out the box score too, but not a good 3 pt shooter yet.

Volume shooting I think has Kispert in the lead but WAgner has youth and higher ceiling ( plus "supposedly" better athelticism ) on him.

[RookieStar]

honest question, are the stats from that league comparable? RJ went played for New Zealand and looks lost. Dante Exum played in Australia and hasnt looked good in the NBA.

I just glanced at them, but RJ and Lamelo's numbers seemed comparable. Exum only played professionally 75 minutes.

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I hadn't even heard of Giddey before but I am intrigued. If we get the Bulls' pick and he's available, I'd at least consider him. For me, it depends on how much you think his shooting can improve. For now, I still list Moody, Kispert and probably Bouknight and Wagner ahead of him, but that could change.

I have heard of him before BUT I didn't want to consider him the same way I didnt wanna consider Barnes. We need shooting and those 2 fails at that ( for now ).