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Re: WELCOME TO ORLANDO FRANZ WAGNER 

Post#81 » by Knightro » Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:39 pm

Franz Wagner v. Chuma Okeke - remarkably similar profiles as college sophomores.

Per Game
Wagner - 31.7 MPG, 4.4-9.3 FG, .477 FG%, 3.2-5.6 2PT, .563 2PT%, 1.3-3.6 3PT, .343 3PT%, 2.4-2.8 FT, .835 FT%, 0.7 OREB, 5.8 DREB, 6.5 REB, 3.0 AST, 1.3 STL, 1.0 BLK, 1.3 TOV, 2.2 PF, 12.5 PTS

Okeke - 29.1 MPG, 4.4-8.9 FG, .496 FG%, 3.0-5.2 2PT, .574 2PT%, 1.4-3.7 3PT, .387 3PT%, 1.7-2.4 FT, .722 FT%, 2.8 OREB, 4.1 DREB, 6.8 REB, 1.9 AST, 1.8 STL, 1.2 BLK, 1.7 TOV, 1.9 PF, 12.0 PTS

Per 100
Wagner - 8.2-17.3 FG, .477 FG%, 5.9-10.5 2PT, .563 2PT%, 2.3-6.8 3PT, .343 3PT%, 4.4-5.3 FT, .835 FT%, 12.2 REB, 5.6 AST, 2.3 STL, 1.9 BLK, 2.4 TOV, 4.1 PF, 23.2 PTS, 121.5 ORTG, 92.3 DRTG

Okeke - 8.8-17.7 FG, .496 FG%, 5.9-10.3 2PT, .574 2PT%, 2.9-7.4 3PT, .387 3PT%, 3.4-4.7 FT, .722 FT%, 13.6 REB, 3.8 AST, 3.6 STL, 2.4 BLK, 3.5 TOV, 3.7 PF, 23.9 PTS, 121.2 ORTG, 95.2 DRTG

Advanced
Wagner - 22.0 PER, .587 TS%, .544 eFG%, .392 3PT Rate, .304 FT Rate, 2.9 OREB%, 19.6 DREB%, 12.1 REB%, 17.4 AST%, 2.3 STL%, 3.2 BLK%, 10.8 TOV%, 19.7 USG%, 2.7 OWS, 2.0 DWS, 4.7 WS, .210 WS/48, 5.8 OBPM, 6.1 DBPM, 11.9 BPM

Okeke - 24.5 PER, .597 TS%, .577 eFG%, .419 3PT Rate, .265 FT Rate, 10.7 OREB%, 16.8 DREB%, 13.7 REB%, 12.5 AST%, 3.6 STL%, 5.5 BLK%, 14.7 TOV%, 20.0 USG%, 3.3 OWS, 2.3 DWS, 5.5 WS, .200 WS/48 , 7.0 OBPM, 4.1 DBPM, 11.1 BPM

Wagner is a year younger than Okeke was (19 year old sophomore v. 20 year old sophomore) and also Wagner obviously isn't coming off a torn ACL.
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Post#82 » by yoyojw17 » Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:43 pm

Knightro wrote:Franz Wagner v. Chuma Okeke - remarkably similar profiles as college sophomores.

Per Game
Wagner - 31.7 MPG, 4.4-9.3 FG, .477 FG%, 3.2-5.6 2PT, .563 2PT%, 1.3-3.6 3PT, .343 3PT%, 2.4-2.8 FT, .835 FT%, 0.7 OREB, 5.8 DREB, 6.5 REB, 3.0 AST, 1.3 STL, 1.0 BLK, 1.3 TOV, 2.2 PF, 12.5 PTS

Okeke - 29.1 MPG, 4.4-8.9 FG, .496 FG%, 3.0-5.2 2PT, .574 2PT%, 1.4-3.7 3PT, .387 3PT%, 1.7-2.4 FT, .722 FT%, 2.8 OREB, 4.1 DREB, 6.8 REB, 1.9 AST, 1.8 STL, 1.2 BLK, 1.7 TOV, 1.9 PF, 12.0 PTS

Per 100
Wagner - 8.2-17.3 FG, .477 FG%, 5.9-10.5 2PT, .563 2PT%, 2.3-6.8 3PT, .343 3PT%, 4.4-5.3 FT, .835 FT%, 12.2 REB, 5.6 AST, 2.3 STL, 1.9 BLK, 2.4 TOV, 4.1 PF, 23.2 PTS, 121.5 ORTG, 92.3 DRTG

Okeke - 8.8-17.7 FG, .496 FG%, 5.9-10.3 2PT, .574 2PT%, 2.9-7.4 3PT, .387 3PT%, 3.4-4.7 FT, .722 FT%, 13.6 REB, 3.8 AST, 3.6 STL, 2.4 BLK, 3.5 TOV, 3.7 PF, 23.9 PTS, 121.2 ORTG, 95.2 DRTG

Advanced
Wagner - 22.0 PER, .587 TS%, .544 eFG%, .392 3PT Rate, .304 FT Rate, 2.9 OREB%, 19.6 DREB%, 12.1 REB%, 17.4 AST%, 2.3 STL%, 3.2 BLK%, 10.8 TOV%, 19.7 USG%, 2.7 OWS, 2.0 DWS, 4.7 WS, .210 WS/48, 5.8 OBPM, 6.1 DBPM, 11.9 BPM

Okeke - 24.5 PER, .597 TS%, .577 eFG%, .419 3PT Rate, .265 FT Rate, 10.7 OREB%, 16.8 DREB%, 13.7 REB%, 12.5 AST%, 3.6 STL%, 5.5 BLK%, 14.7 TOV%, 20.0 USG%, 3.3 OWS, 2.3 DWS, 5.5 WS, .200 WS/48 , 7.0 OBPM, 4.1 DBPM, 11.1 BPM

Wagner is a year younger than Okeke was (19 year old sophomore v. 20 year old sophomore) and also Wagner obviously isn't coming off a torn ACL.


Okeke + Wagner + Isaac ... might be one of the better defensive, switchable, and High IQ young forward combinations in the league right now! loving the potential!
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Post#83 » by tiderulz » Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:51 pm

yoyojw17 wrote:
Knightro wrote:Franz Wagner v. Chuma Okeke - remarkably similar profiles as college sophomores.

Per Game
Wagner - 31.7 MPG, 4.4-9.3 FG, .477 FG%, 3.2-5.6 2PT, .563 2PT%, 1.3-3.6 3PT, .343 3PT%, 2.4-2.8 FT, .835 FT%, 0.7 OREB, 5.8 DREB, 6.5 REB, 3.0 AST, 1.3 STL, 1.0 BLK, 1.3 TOV, 2.2 PF, 12.5 PTS

Okeke - 29.1 MPG, 4.4-8.9 FG, .496 FG%, 3.0-5.2 2PT, .574 2PT%, 1.4-3.7 3PT, .387 3PT%, 1.7-2.4 FT, .722 FT%, 2.8 OREB, 4.1 DREB, 6.8 REB, 1.9 AST, 1.8 STL, 1.2 BLK, 1.7 TOV, 1.9 PF, 12.0 PTS

Per 100
Wagner - 8.2-17.3 FG, .477 FG%, 5.9-10.5 2PT, .563 2PT%, 2.3-6.8 3PT, .343 3PT%, 4.4-5.3 FT, .835 FT%, 12.2 REB, 5.6 AST, 2.3 STL, 1.9 BLK, 2.4 TOV, 4.1 PF, 23.2 PTS, 121.5 ORTG, 92.3 DRTG

Okeke - 8.8-17.7 FG, .496 FG%, 5.9-10.3 2PT, .574 2PT%, 2.9-7.4 3PT, .387 3PT%, 3.4-4.7 FT, .722 FT%, 13.6 REB, 3.8 AST, 3.6 STL, 2.4 BLK, 3.5 TOV, 3.7 PF, 23.9 PTS, 121.2 ORTG, 95.2 DRTG

Advanced
Wagner - 22.0 PER, .587 TS%, .544 eFG%, .392 3PT Rate, .304 FT Rate, 2.9 OREB%, 19.6 DREB%, 12.1 REB%, 17.4 AST%, 2.3 STL%, 3.2 BLK%, 10.8 TOV%, 19.7 USG%, 2.7 OWS, 2.0 DWS, 4.7 WS, .210 WS/48, 5.8 OBPM, 6.1 DBPM, 11.9 BPM

Okeke - 24.5 PER, .597 TS%, .577 eFG%, .419 3PT Rate, .265 FT Rate, 10.7 OREB%, 16.8 DREB%, 13.7 REB%, 12.5 AST%, 3.6 STL%, 5.5 BLK%, 14.7 TOV%, 20.0 USG%, 3.3 OWS, 2.3 DWS, 5.5 WS, .200 WS/48 , 7.0 OBPM, 4.1 DBPM, 11.1 BPM

Wagner is a year younger than Okeke was (19 year old sophomore v. 20 year old sophomore) and also Wagner obviously isn't coming off a torn ACL.


Okeke + Wagner + Isaac ... might be one of the better defensive, switchable, and High IQ young forward combinations in the league right now! loving the potential!

if only Isaac could stay healthy.
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Post#84 » by PrimeThyme » Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:07 pm

I think Wagner will end up being a fan favorite.

It's funny because when watching him, I can't help but see some Turk to his game. I believe he will play a similar role on this team as a secondary playmaker/High IQ shot creator. He has some of that same swagger/Competitive spirit that Turk did as well when you watch him.

Wagner is also all of 6'9 and in my opinion is going to be 6'10 with a real shot at being 6'11 when it's all said and done. That's what separates him big time imo from a 6'6 forward prospect like Chuma.
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Post#85 » by swarlesbarkley » Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:11 pm

I was meh about the Wagner pick when it happened but then I had to remind myself that high BBIQ guys with size are maybe more rare than super athletic dudes who don't shoot well. Whatever Wagner lacks in athleticism he may very well make up with angles and reading the court. Similar to Turk and Turk might be my second favorite Magician behind Penny. I like the pick and think both Suggs and Wagner, despite being younger than the rest of our roster, will bring some level-headedness to our young guys like Cole and RJ with their dedication to fundamentals.
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Post#86 » by yoyojw17 » Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:16 pm

tiderulz wrote:
yoyojw17 wrote:
Knightro wrote:Franz Wagner v. Chuma Okeke - remarkably similar profiles as college sophomores.

Per Game
Wagner - 31.7 MPG, 4.4-9.3 FG, .477 FG%, 3.2-5.6 2PT, .563 2PT%, 1.3-3.6 3PT, .343 3PT%, 2.4-2.8 FT, .835 FT%, 0.7 OREB, 5.8 DREB, 6.5 REB, 3.0 AST, 1.3 STL, 1.0 BLK, 1.3 TOV, 2.2 PF, 12.5 PTS

Okeke - 29.1 MPG, 4.4-8.9 FG, .496 FG%, 3.0-5.2 2PT, .574 2PT%, 1.4-3.7 3PT, .387 3PT%, 1.7-2.4 FT, .722 FT%, 2.8 OREB, 4.1 DREB, 6.8 REB, 1.9 AST, 1.8 STL, 1.2 BLK, 1.7 TOV, 1.9 PF, 12.0 PTS

Per 100
Wagner - 8.2-17.3 FG, .477 FG%, 5.9-10.5 2PT, .563 2PT%, 2.3-6.8 3PT, .343 3PT%, 4.4-5.3 FT, .835 FT%, 12.2 REB, 5.6 AST, 2.3 STL, 1.9 BLK, 2.4 TOV, 4.1 PF, 23.2 PTS, 121.5 ORTG, 92.3 DRTG

Okeke - 8.8-17.7 FG, .496 FG%, 5.9-10.3 2PT, .574 2PT%, 2.9-7.4 3PT, .387 3PT%, 3.4-4.7 FT, .722 FT%, 13.6 REB, 3.8 AST, 3.6 STL, 2.4 BLK, 3.5 TOV, 3.7 PF, 23.9 PTS, 121.2 ORTG, 95.2 DRTG

Advanced
Wagner - 22.0 PER, .587 TS%, .544 eFG%, .392 3PT Rate, .304 FT Rate, 2.9 OREB%, 19.6 DREB%, 12.1 REB%, 17.4 AST%, 2.3 STL%, 3.2 BLK%, 10.8 TOV%, 19.7 USG%, 2.7 OWS, 2.0 DWS, 4.7 WS, .210 WS/48, 5.8 OBPM, 6.1 DBPM, 11.9 BPM

Okeke - 24.5 PER, .597 TS%, .577 eFG%, .419 3PT Rate, .265 FT Rate, 10.7 OREB%, 16.8 DREB%, 13.7 REB%, 12.5 AST%, 3.6 STL%, 5.5 BLK%, 14.7 TOV%, 20.0 USG%, 3.3 OWS, 2.3 DWS, 5.5 WS, .200 WS/48 , 7.0 OBPM, 4.1 DBPM, 11.1 BPM

Wagner is a year younger than Okeke was (19 year old sophomore v. 20 year old sophomore) and also Wagner obviously isn't coming off a torn ACL.


Okeke + Wagner + Isaac ... might be one of the better defensive, switchable, and High IQ young forward combinations in the league right now! loving the potential!

if only Isaac could stay healthy.

thought the same... but didn't wanna jinx it. :-D :-D
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Post#87 » by VFX » Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:30 pm

The more I sit with this pick the more I like it. Makes sense to get the 6’10 guy that can do everything on the court to pair with Suggs and co.

He’s a high floor high ceiling player.
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Post#89 » by tiderulz » Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:38 pm

so CBS make me laugh. here is a comparison of their grades between Scottie and Franz

Barnes
I usually trust the Toronto front office. They get things right. The worry here is the 3-point shot, where he's obviously not good enough yet. But he does everything else, and his work ethic draws rave reviews from people who know him. If the Raptors can build that shooting out, he'll be great. Grade: A-


Wagner
He's very young, so there's a lot of room to develop. He played two years of college basketball, and he was never a top-two player on his own team. People call him a shooter, but he never really made his 3-pointers that well. People love his team defense, but that's an odd thing to hang your hat on as a top-10 pick. He could definitely work out, but this is not what I would have done here. Grade: B-


So they both have questionable 3 pt shots (though Wagner leads 34% to 27% on twice the volume, not nearly as questionable), both known for their defense, both passers (Barnes at 4 apg, Wagner 3 apg), Wagner rebounds and blocks more than Barnes. But Barnes is scored A and Wagner B. oh, and head to head in their game, Wagner 13 pts 10 reb 5 asst, Barnes 8 pts 1 reb 3 asst 3 to's

Michigan was 11th out of 14 teams in FGA in the conference, so their pace of play was slow, otherwise Wagner likely has more ppg that people want to see. but they were 2nd in FG%, so they were taking smart shots, 2nd in 3pt%, tied for 2nd in eFG%.
i get that there were flashier names when we picked at 8, think we just need to give the kid a chance to play.
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Post#90 » by Just Plain Mark » Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:49 pm

tiderulz wrote:so CBS make me laugh. here is a comparison of their grades between Scottie and Franz

Barnes
I usually trust the Toronto front office. They get things right. The worry here is the 3-point shot, where he's obviously not good enough yet. But he does everything else, and his work ethic draws rave reviews from people who know him. If the Raptors can build that shooting out, he'll be great. Grade: A-


Wagner
He's very young, so there's a lot of room to develop. He played two years of college basketball, and he was never a top-two player on his own team. People call him a shooter, but he never really made his 3-pointers that well. People love his team defense, but that's an odd thing to hang your hat on as a top-10 pick. He could definitely work out, but this is not what I would have done here. Grade: B-


So they both have questionable 3 pt shots (though Wagner leads 34% to 27% on twice the volume, not nearly as questionable), both known for their defense, both passers (Barnes at 4 apg, Wagner 3 apg), Wagner rebounds and blocks more than Barnes. But Barnes is scored A and Wagner B. oh, and head to head in their game, Wagner 13 pts 10 reb 5 asst, Barnes 8 pts 1 reb 3 asst 3 to's

Michigan was 11th out of 14 teams in FGA in the conference, so their pace of play was slow, otherwise Wagner likely has more ppg that people want to see. but they were 2nd in FG%, so they were taking smart shots, 2nd in 3pt%, tied for 2nd in eFG%.
i get that there were flashier names when we picked at 8, think we just need to give the kid a chance to play.


Good catch. That's incredibly inconsistent regarding the view of their defense and their shooting.
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Post#91 » by tiderulz » Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:53 pm

Just Plain Mark wrote:
tiderulz wrote:so CBS make me laugh. here is a comparison of their grades between Scottie and Franz

Barnes
I usually trust the Toronto front office. They get things right. The worry here is the 3-point shot, where he's obviously not good enough yet. But he does everything else, and his work ethic draws rave reviews from people who know him. If the Raptors can build that shooting out, he'll be great. Grade: A-


Wagner
He's very young, so there's a lot of room to develop. He played two years of college basketball, and he was never a top-two player on his own team. People call him a shooter, but he never really made his 3-pointers that well. People love his team defense, but that's an odd thing to hang your hat on as a top-10 pick. He could definitely work out, but this is not what I would have done here. Grade: B-


So they both have questionable 3 pt shots (though Wagner leads 34% to 27% on twice the volume, not nearly as questionable), both known for their defense, both passers (Barnes at 4 apg, Wagner 3 apg), Wagner rebounds and blocks more than Barnes. But Barnes is scored A and Wagner B. oh, and head to head in their game, Wagner 13 pts 10 reb 5 asst, Barnes 8 pts 1 reb 3 asst 3 to's

Michigan was 11th out of 14 teams in FGA in the conference, so their pace of play was slow, otherwise Wagner likely has more ppg that people want to see. but they were 2nd in FG%, so they were taking smart shots, 2nd in 3pt%, tied for 2nd in eFG%.
i get that there were flashier names when we picked at 8, think we just need to give the kid a chance to play.


Good catch. That's incredibly inconsistent regarding the view of their defense and their shooting.

also seems Toronto has a better track record of their drafting (and more impactful development) and Orlando isnt given the same respect (which honestly it doesnt deserve yet). Thus, if they chose Barnes they got it right. just like people seem to be afraid to criticize Pop too much on Primo taken way earlier than anyone expected. he has track record of finding a few gems, so they wont rate it bad just yet
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Post#92 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:02 pm

tiderulz wrote:
Just Plain Mark wrote:
tiderulz wrote:so CBS make me laugh. here is a comparison of their grades between Scottie and Franz

Barnes


Wagner


So they both have questionable 3 pt shots (though Wagner leads 34% to 27% on twice the volume, not nearly as questionable), both known for their defense, both passers (Barnes at 4 apg, Wagner 3 apg), Wagner rebounds and blocks more than Barnes. But Barnes is scored A and Wagner B. oh, and head to head in their game, Wagner 13 pts 10 reb 5 asst, Barnes 8 pts 1 reb 3 asst 3 to's

Michigan was 11th out of 14 teams in FGA in the conference, so their pace of play was slow, otherwise Wagner likely has more ppg that people want to see. but they were 2nd in FG%, so they were taking smart shots, 2nd in 3pt%, tied for 2nd in eFG%.
i get that there were flashier names when we picked at 8, think we just need to give the kid a chance to play.


Good catch. That's incredibly inconsistent regarding the view of their defense and their shooting.

also seems Toronto has a better track record of their drafting (and more impactful development) and Orlando isnt given the same respect (which honestly it doesnt deserve yet). Thus, if they chose Barnes they got it right. just like people seem to be afraid to criticize Pop too much on Primo taken way earlier than anyone expected. he has track record of finding a few gems, so they wont rate it bad just yet


Wagner's FT % is also much better at 83% vs Barnes at 62%. I feel much more comfortable knowing that and thinking Wagner will be/could be the better shooter.

It's almost shocking to look at Wagner's 1st year and compare it to Barnes and then going why is Barnes getting all the hype when Wagner could be the better overall player TODAY & in the Future. It's the whole floor/ceiling circle jerk and Barnes gets the Ceiling part while Franz has the floor part. Gimme the floor when the ceiling of the other prospect relies heavily on shooting.
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Post#93 » by UCFJayBird » Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:08 pm

It basically comes down to this: Can he develop into a legitimate, consistent, 3 point threat? If the answer is yes, great pick. his defense is solid, he's good at cutting to the basket, and if he can hit the long ball and spread the floor he'll be a valuable addition.

If he doesn't develop that shot, it will have been an overreach and he should've gone in the middle of the round. Time will tell. But it's kind of telling that he has to develop his shot to be worthy of that pick (IMO). That means unless he just blows everyone away in development and turns into a Dirk or something, we're all going to, at best, say he was a good pick at #8 (not great, not a steal, etc, just good).
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Post#94 » by swarlesbarkley » Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:09 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
Just Plain Mark wrote:
Good catch. That's incredibly inconsistent regarding the view of their defense and their shooting.

also seems Toronto has a better track record of their drafting (and more impactful development) and Orlando isnt given the same respect (which honestly it doesnt deserve yet). Thus, if they chose Barnes they got it right. just like people seem to be afraid to criticize Pop too much on Primo taken way earlier than anyone expected. he has track record of finding a few gems, so they wont rate it bad just yet


Wagner's FT % is also much better at 83% vs Barnes at 62%. I feel much more comfortable knowing that and thinking Wagner will be/could be the better shooter.

It's almost shocking to look at Wagner's 1st year and compare it to Barnes and then going why is Barnes getting all the hype when Wagner could be the better overall player TODAY & in the Future. It's the whole floor/ceiling circle jerk and Barnes gets the Ceiling part while Franz has the floor part. Gimme the floor when the ceiling of the other prospect relies heavily on shooting.


Yes. And Wagner's shot form looks good compared to Barnes which looks like a guy who accidentally figured out how to shoot.

I have no doubts about Wagner being a 35%+ 3 point shooter in the NBA. I'm pretty sure Barnes won't crack 30.
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Post#95 » by CarraT » Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:17 pm

I see a lot of Shane Battier in Wagner and i like that!
Also, for me as a german Its Great to have a german (maybe two) on this Team :)
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Post#96 » by tiderulz » Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:20 pm

UCFJayBird wrote:It basically comes down to this: Can he develop into a legitimate, consistent, 3 point threat? If the answer is yes, great pick. his defense is solid, he's good at cutting to the basket, and if he can hit the long ball and spread the floor he'll be a valuable addition.

If he doesn't develop that shot, it will have been an overreach and he should've gone in the middle of the round. Time will tell. But it's kind of telling that he has to develop his shot to be worthy of that pick (IMO). That means unless he just blows everyone away in development and turns into a Dirk or something, we're all going to, at best, say he was a good pick at #8 (not great, not a steal, etc, just good).

well, he just shot 34% on 3.5 attempts, raising up from 31% the year before. so he has already shown improvement. 34% walking into the league isnt a sniper, but it isnt bad. repetition should increase that
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Post#97 » by magicfan217 » Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:31 pm

After we got Suggs at 5, there was no way we were taking another guard at 8. I am all for BEST available player, but when you take a guy that high there has to be a path at playing time if they are going to show improvement. Fultz/Suggs/Hampton/Anthony. That's our guard rotation...there's not room for a Bouknight too (unless you are ready to give up on giving minutes to one of these guards above). I've seen the magic draft top 10 guys and then not give them adequate playing time to improve (Mario/Bamba immediately come to mind). No more of that.

Wagner MIGHT have been BPA anyway...but he at least has a legit path to playing time. Chuma/JI/Wagner is a solid 3/4 rotation (and if JI can play small ball 5 we could even play all 3 together). This pick should excite magic fans because we are going to see this guy play and get better.

Sign me up for these two prospects. Great draft for the Magic!
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Post#98 » by magicfan217 » Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:46 pm

Depending on how the front office viewed Moody (can he play the 3, or is he just a 2), this pick IMO came down to Wagner/Williams.
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Re: WELCOME TO ORLANDO FRANZ WAGNER 

Post#99 » by IllMagic04 » Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:05 pm

magicfan217 wrote:After we got Suggs at 5, there was no way we were taking another guard at 8. I am all for BEST available player, but when you take a guy that high there has to be a path at playing time if they are going to show improvement. Fultz/Suggs/Hampton/Anthony. That's our guard rotation...there's not room for a Bouknight too (unless you are ready to give up on giving minutes to one of these guards above). I've seen the magic draft top 10 guys and then not give them adequate playing time to improve (Mario/Bamba immediately come to mind). No more of that.

Wagner MIGHT have been BPA anyway...but he at least has a legit path to playing time. Chuma/JI/Wagner is a solid 3/4 rotation (and if JI can play small ball 5 we could even play all 3 together). This pick should excite magic fans because we are going to see this guy play and get better.

Sign me up for these two prospects. Great draft for the Magic!
Im just a fan of getting the highest upside and figuring out playing time when practice starts.

But Im not gonna complain about the pick anymore. Wagner looks to be solid. Obviously he doesnt have the upside of Barnes but he gives some of the things we woulda got with Barnes all while having a better outside shot. People said Issac and Barnes would be sick on defense and Wagner and Issac is impressive too. Lots of leanth and Wagner has some fire behind him. We are not going to win many games next year but we gonna be a fiery fun team. Suggs, Cole and Wagner are going to bring the energy for sure.

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Re: WELCOME TO ORLANDO FRANZ WAGNER 

Post#100 » by bigdogdylan5 » Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:20 pm

tiderulz wrote:
UCFJayBird wrote:It basically comes down to this: Can he develop into a legitimate, consistent, 3 point threat? If the answer is yes, great pick. his defense is solid, he's good at cutting to the basket, and if he can hit the long ball and spread the floor he'll be a valuable addition.

If he doesn't develop that shot, it will have been an overreach and he should've gone in the middle of the round. Time will tell. But it's kind of telling that he has to develop his shot to be worthy of that pick (IMO). That means unless he just blows everyone away in development and turns into a Dirk or something, we're all going to, at best, say he was a good pick at #8 (not great, not a steal, etc, just good).

well, he just shot 34% on 3.5 attempts, raising up from 31% the year before. so he has already shown improvement. 34% walking into the league isnt a sniper, but it isnt bad. repetition should increase that

I dont know how much work there really needs to be on the 3 ball. I mean FT shooting is there and he shot 40% on 3.6 attempts per game for that 22 game stretch.
Fine print disclaimer for Fultz:
I am high on Markelle Fultz. Yes I understand he is not perfect and needs to shoot more and better and turn the ball over less. I would really like to see him play one more year… and I did and he sucks time to move on.

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