Who should be the starting point guard?

[eyriq]

It's largely because the lineups where he has played with Paolo while Franz has been on the bench are struggling on both ends. Half of these minutes have been with Fultz, Paolo and Cole playing together which had predictably led to bad results on the defensive end (125 DRTG). And in the minutes without Cole the offense has struggled mightily (107 ORTG) while the defense has been subpar (117 DRTG).

Interesting, good call. How do you divvy out responsibility here?

The fit between Fultz and Paolo is not good (two poor shooters from 3 who are much more effective with the ball in their hands than off-ball) and this stands out more when they play without Franz who is excellent off-ball and our best player by some margin. And playing two PGs together and sometimes 3 guards lineup as we often do when Franz sits is also suboptimal, especially on D.

This makes sense. The narrative sounds like it's less about him getting outplayed and more about poor rotations/team fit.

[RichCollab]

Fultz gets starting PG next season for me. I personally need to see another season and I think he has earned it. It’s more important we upgrade SG to me. I don’t think the rebuild hinges on giving Fultz another season. Maybe Suggs takes over mid season?

I’m cool if the right opportunity presents itself where we get a big PG upgrade who can knock down 3s but don’t see it. Scoot doesn’t move the needle more than Fultz does for me.

[pepe1991]

Another reason Suggs is open is that he can get past most two's and three's. Theoretically, if he shoots from 3 better, it'll open up drives to the basket.

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He is open because he shoots 25% for 3 for career.

So are a lot of PGs after 100 games. My point is that he'll always be somewhat open because he can get by most two's and three's.

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If your theory is right, why he is so bad at finishing around rim ? Assuming he blows by opponent shouldn't he shoot like 70% around rim, instad of dreadful 56% ?

For reference sake, one of smallest nba players, Tyus Jones, who is also unathletic for nba, let alone guards, shoots 59% around rim.

Dipo was grilled by fans for shooting 57-58% around rim in his three first years.

In general, if he can so easly blow by opponents, as you say, he would be way more effective than current 49% eFG, 52% TS.

And his turnovers would be lower, assists higher... But that simply isn't case

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[The-Stallion70]

I'm not sure I understand a number of the responses I've seen. You're either all in on Fultz or all in on Suggs, I'm not sure I understand it when someone says that Fultz should start fir the rest of the season but also thinks that Suggs is the best starter long term.

If you ask me, Suggs is not athletically gifted enough to have success playing his style in the NBA. He goes balls out on each possession and keeps getting hurt.

[VFX]

I'm not sure I understand a number of the responses I've seen. You're either all in on Fultz or all in on Suggs, I'm not sure I understand it when someone says that Fultz should start fir the rest of the season but also thinks that Suggs is the best starter long term.

If you ask me, Suggs is not athletically gifted enough to have success playing his style in the NBA. He goes balls out on each possession and keeps getting hurt.

Suggs doesn't need to be the starting point guard.

Orlando can draft one to start for next season and they would be better than Fultz long term.

[The-Stallion70]

I'm not sure I understand a number of the responses I've seen. You're either all in on Fultz or all in on Suggs, I'm not sure I understand it when someone says that Fultz should start fir the rest of the season but also thinks that Suggs is the best starter long term.

If you ask me, Suggs is not athletically gifted enough to have success playing his style in the NBA. He goes balls out on each possession and keeps getting hurt.

Suggs doesn't need to be the starting point guard.

Orlando can draft one to start for next season and they would be better than Fultz long term.

Suggs is not a good three point shooter abd he's a poor fit at 2 guard. He is optimally used as a Marcus Smartish combo guard at either position. He plays good defense but I wouldn't delude yourselves into thinking he's a better player than Fultz just because his contract situation is easier to work with.

[JBSouthpaw]

I'm not sure I understand a number of the responses I've seen. You're either all in on Fultz or all in on Suggs, I'm not sure I understand it when someone says that Fultz should start fir the rest of the season but also thinks that Suggs is the best starter long term.

If you ask me, Suggs is not athletically gifted enough to have success playing his style in the NBA. He goes balls out on each possession and keeps getting hurt.

Suggs doesn't need to be the starting point guard.

Orlando can draft one to start for next season and they would be better than Fultz long term.

Suggs is not a good three point shooter abd he's a poor fit at 2 guard. He is optimally used as a Marcus Smartish combo guard at either position. He plays good defense but I wouldn't delude yourselves into thinking he's a better player than Fultz just because his contract situation is easier to work with.

Suggs improved his 3pt shooting by 10% over last year, that's pretty good. If he increases it by half that and gets to 35/36%, that is good enough to start, considering his advantages on the def. end. I want him a t SG though.

[VFX]

I'm not sure I understand a number of the responses I've seen. You're either all in on Fultz or all in on Suggs, I'm not sure I understand it when someone says that Fultz should start fir the rest of the season but also thinks that Suggs is the best starter long term.

If you ask me, Suggs is not athletically gifted enough to have success playing his style in the NBA. He goes balls out on each possession and keeps getting hurt.

Suggs doesn't need to be the starting point guard.

Orlando can draft one to start for next season and they would be better than Fultz long term.

Suggs is not a good three point shooter abd he's a poor fit at 2 guard. He is optimally used as a Marcus Smartish combo guard at either position. He plays good defense but I wouldn't delude yourselves into thinking he's a better player than Fultz just because his contract situation is easier to work with.

What does that have to do with replacing Fultz?

[RichCollab]

Suggs doesn't need to be the starting point guard.

Orlando can draft one to start for next season and they would be better than Fultz long term.

Suggs is not a good three point shooter abd he's a poor fit at 2 guard. He is optimally used as a Marcus Smartish combo guard at either position. He plays good defense but I wouldn't delude yourselves into thinking he's a better player than Fultz just because his contract situation is easier to work with.

What does that have to do with replacing Fultz?

You crazy. Replace Fultz?

[anothermagicfan]

Suggs is not a good three point shooter abd he's a poor fit at 2 guard. He is optimally used as a Marcus Smartish combo guard at either position. He plays good defense but I wouldn't delude yourselves into thinking he's a better player than Fultz just because his contract situation is easier to work with.

What does that have to do with replacing Fultz?

You crazy. Replace Fultz?

How dare you question the opinion of anyone on this board wanting to replace Fultz!

Fultz gets starting PG next season for me. I personally need to see another season and I think he has earned it. It’s more important we upgrade SG to me. I don’t think the rebuild hinges on giving Fultz another season. Maybe Suggs takes over mid season?

I’m cool if the right opportunity presents itself where we get a big PG upgrade who can knock down 3s but don’t see it. Scoot doesn’t move the needle more than Fultz does for me.

How dare you have the opinion that upgrading the SG is a higher priority than dumping Fultz. Like for real, did you not see the last game Gary Harris went like 1 for 3 from the floor and 1 for 2 from the 3 point lol one for a whole 3 points in like 24 minutes. It was a bit down from his 8 ppg but he adds so much spacing and the offense doesn't exist without his presence according to plenty of posters here.

Just for clarification I was being sarcastic lol. I agree with you on Fultz deserving next year to continue to improve and continue to show us what he's got. I'd go a bit further and say we owe it to ourselves to see just how good Fultz can be. The 1 thing I cannot see is the blatant disregard for the need to improve from the weakest position on the roster which is absolutely the starting shooting guard. Gary Harris numbers as a starter for the magic this year are appalling with the exception of his 3 point%, which if his 3 ball is so good and effective why isn't he taking 8-10 shots a game from deep?

[Skybox]

What does that have to do with replacing Fultz?

You crazy. Replace Fultz?

How dare you question the opinion of anyone on this board wanting to replace Fultz!

Fultz gets starting PG next season for me. I personally need to see another season and I think he has earned it. It’s more important we upgrade SG to me. I don’t think the rebuild hinges on giving Fultz another season. Maybe Suggs takes over mid season?

I’m cool if the right opportunity presents itself where we get a big PG upgrade who can knock down 3s but don’t see it. Scoot doesn’t move the needle more than Fultz does for me.

How dare you have the opinion that upgrading the SG is a higher priority than dumping Fultz. Like for real, did you not see the last game Gary Harris went like 1 for 3 from the floor and 1 for 2 from the 3 point lol one for a whole 3 points in like 24 minutes. It was a bit down from his 8 ppg but he adds so much spacing and the offense doesn't exist without his presence according to plenty of posters here.

Just for clarification I was being sarcastic lol. I agree with you on Fultz deserving next year to continue to improve and continue to show us what he's got. I'd go a bit further and say we owe it to ourselves to see just how good Fultz can be. The 1 thing I cannot see is the blatant disregard for the need to improve from the weakest position on the roster which is absolutely the starting shooting guard. Gary Harris numbers as a starter for the magic this year are appalling with the exception of his 3 point%, which if his 3 ball is so good and effective why isn't he taking 8-10 shots a game from deep?

All this funny BS doesn't make Fultz a relevant PG in today's NBA.

[anothermagicfan]

You crazy. Replace Fultz?

How dare you question the opinion of anyone on this board wanting to replace Fultz!

Fultz gets starting PG next season for me. I personally need to see another season and I think he has earned it. It’s more important we upgrade SG to me. I don’t think the rebuild hinges on giving Fultz another season. Maybe Suggs takes over mid season?

I’m cool if the right opportunity presents itself where we get a big PG upgrade who can knock down 3s but don’t see it. Scoot doesn’t move the needle more than Fultz does for me.

How dare you have the opinion that upgrading the SG is a higher priority than dumping Fultz. Like for real, did you not see the last game Gary Harris went like 1 for 3 from the floor and 1 for 2 from the 3 point lol one for a whole 3 points in like 24 minutes. It was a bit down from his 8 ppg but he adds so much spacing and the offense doesn't exist without his presence according to plenty of posters here.

Just for clarification I was being sarcastic lol. I agree with you on Fultz deserving next year to continue to improve and continue to show us what he's got. I'd go a bit further and say we owe it to ourselves to see just how good Fultz can be. The 1 thing I cannot see is the blatant disregard for the need to improve from the weakest position on the roster which is absolutely the starting shooting guard. Gary Harris numbers as a starter for the magic this year are appalling with the exception of his 3 point%, which if his 3 ball is so good and effective why isn't he taking 8-10 shots a game from deep?

All this funny BS doesn't make Fultz a relevant PG in today's NBA.

Hahahahah. It's so funny.

Seriously though if Gary Harris is such an incredible floor spacer and such a good scorer in "today's NBA" then why is it that he doesn't make Fultz look better? Or why is Gary not scoring more than 8 ppg? Given Gary Harris history and career trajectory vs Fultz's history and career trajectory how can some here be so deeply rooted for Gary and so deeply dumping on Fultz?

That was the real question I was asking.
As for your comment about my funny BS take not making Fultz a relevant PG in today's NBA... I can only say what an amazingly insightful point you just made. And here I was thinking what I write on realgm will make a difference. Damn. I guess Fultz will never be nothing cause you said so. Thanks for steering me clear of being wrong!!!!!!!

[VFX]

Did you guys know there is a world where Orlando acquires both a better shooting guard than Harris and a point guard that has the capability of being better than league average?

My point is that Suggs has nothing to do with Fultz being a terrible compliment to Paolo and Franz. So why bring him up?

[ogmagicfan]

We should upgrade both guard positions, but PG is far more pressing to upgrade.

Trying to divert the convo from upgrading from Fultz to hyperfocusing on the SG position isn't relevant

[CZ Eddie]

I voted Fultz but I noticed there are no Cole votes yet.
I really, really like Cole.
I just don't think we'll be able to hang onto Cole as a 6th guy. He's a starter.

[CZ Eddie]

I really, really like Cole.
I just don't think we'll be able to hang onto Cole as a 6th guy. He's a starter.

But is he an OG Isaiah Thomas or is he an all around player?
I think he'll be an Isaiah Thomas with Defense if he keeps his level head and keeps learning like he is.
Super proud of that guy for being young and playing the part his team needs.

[CZ Eddie]

How about that. In his next game, it'll be 50 consecutive games for Markell.
This is really his sophomore season.
Or janky Junior season.

[RichCollab]

We ain’t replacing Fultz. He was the best Magic player tonight vs suns.

[Audi]

We ain’t replacing Fultz. He was the best Magic player tonight vs suns.

We may end up replacing (or benching) him at some point in the future, but there’s not a chance he gets waived.