It's time to turn the page on Fultz.

[The Effect]

I love fultz as a floor general and love his vision, but I no longee think we are going to win much with him. Watching him pass up open 3s is so disheartening

I would love to keep him as a backup but with Cole and black here I just don't see a way

[MasterGMer]

Disappointed that Fultz didn't play tonight. I thought he'd "redemption time" tonight's game. Disappointing start for Fultz this season

[TSonn]

I love fultz as a floor general and love his vision, but I no longee think we are going to win much with him. Watching him pass up open 3s is so disheartening

I would love to keep him as a backup but with Cole and black here I just don't see a way

Been saying for a while that this is the season to put up or shut up and unfortunately he's shutting up.

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[Rainwater]

I feel like the benefit of not having Fultz is that it removes the ball from his hands and puts it in the hands of Franz and Paolo, and the magic play better that way.

[fendilim]

I don’t see how concluding (finally) that he can’t shoot or draw fouls means he’s suited for a bench role…limiting his minutes won’t make him any more useful to this team. Sorry, he’s a nice guy but…

Because he can be the first option on the 2nd lineup.

Why? I'm fine with it until his contract expires or maybe raise his trade stock by beating up scrubs in junk time for stats, but Cole is better suited for the role, given his shooting and overall offensive aggressiveness. I wouldn't keep him for that role regardless of new terms. Just not needed.

because Fultz is more effective with the ball in his hand.

And he is likely better than most of the 2nd unit of other teams.

[Bergmaniac]

I feel like the benefit of not having Fultz is that it removes the ball from his hand and puts it in the hand of Franz and Paolo, and the magic play better that way.

I've always felt he's quite overrated as a playmaker in the halfcourt. A lot of people here claim that he's a great PG offensively outside of his shooting woes but his vision is pretty mediocre for a PG. He is very good at drive and kick, but average at best outside of this as a creator. He's not good at running a pick and roll, and not just because he refuses to shoot.

[Skybox]

I feel like the benefit of not having Fultz is that it removes the ball from his hand and puts it in the hand of Franz and Paolo, and the magic play better that way.

I've always felt he's quite overrated as a playmaker in the halfcourt. A lot of people here claim that he's a great PG offensively outside of his shooting woes but his vision is pretty mediocre for a PG. He is very good at drive and kick, but average at best outside of this as a creator. He's not good at running a pick and roll, and not just because he refuses to shoot.

I agree…imo, it’s a default story, “he’s a point who doesn’t shoot or score a lot, so…he’s a pass-first floor general, I guess”.

I don’t think he is. He’s got great handles, great poise in traffic, great positional size & strength…he’s a score-first modern PG (exactly what we need), except he doesn’t (injury, yips, mentality…for whatever reason). What he COULD’ve been is an All-Star type player, like a shorter Penny…but (due to injury) he never became that. His skill set is less than, but similar to Paolo’s and Paolo is a physical marvel for that skill set. Kelle is a great ball handler, but otherwise tiny PF with no perimeter game. It’s sad, but we are watching him wash out in the NBA. This guy is nothing like the draft projections and it’s likely not his fault or a lack of trying, but whatever the reason, it is what it is.

[Fortune Teller]

You can't be a PG in today's NBA and refuse to shoot 3's. He would be a more effective player if he was simply a bad 3-point shooter. A more serious organization would've already cut ties with him, or at the very least benched him.

What baffles me is that his assist and FT numbers are also so low.

And, on top of every bad stat you can throw up there, you never know when he's going to play. He's completely unreliable.

Welt will ride with him until he is worth absolutely nothing on the trade market, and we may already be there.

Crazy that he and Isaac are still the 2 highest-paid players on the team. Quite the return on investment.

[eyriq]

He is what he is at this point, damaged goods and injury prone to boot. Hard pass.

[The-Stallion70]

Markelle does not help our shooting and I agree that our offense would be better if he did have 3 point range. I just want to point out that he is not the sole reason why our offense is bottom 10 in efficiency and our entire playing rotation lacks shooting.

We don't really have one great shooter on the roster.

Our team could benefit from acquiring a true specialist type like McDermott but I think the league has adjusted as a whole now and those guys are expensive and hard to get.

[yoyojw17]

Markelle does not help our shooting and I agree that our offense would be better if he did have 3 point range. I just want to point out that he is not the sole reason why our offense is bottom 10 in efficiency and our entire playing rotation lacks shooting.

We don't really have one great shooter on the roster.

Our team could benefit from acquiring a true specialist type like McDermott but I think the league has adjusted as a whole now and those guys are expensive and hard to get.

The shooters that CAN defend are the expensive ones. That's why like KCP are making huge differences on our team. A player like Mcdermot might help on the spacing but our defense will take a hit. we have a shooter that would be helpful in Harris... if his volume increased.... be a lil more selfish as long as the shot is good... and i guess that goes onto the high usage players to get him the ball in those positions so that he eventually takes the pressure off of them.

I still think cutting bait on Fultz is premature... as he's only played in 5 games... only 3-4 healthy ... at the beginning of the season... and with Paolo and Franz not really doing their best.

We'll see how the front office envisions it and how they will manage it.

[Bergmaniac]

Markelle does not help our shooting and I agree that our offense would be better if he did have 3 point range. I just want to point out that he is not the sole reason why our offense is bottom 10 in efficiency and our entire playing rotation lacks shooting.

We don't really have one great shooter on the roster.

Our team could benefit from acquiring a true specialist type like McDermott but I think the league has adjusted as a whole now and those guys are expensive and hard to get.

Nobody is saying he is the sole reason for the subpar offense.

[The-Stallion70]

Markelle does not help our shooting and I agree that our offense would be better if he did have 3 point range. I just want to point out that he is not the sole reason why our offense is bottom 10 in efficiency and our entire playing rotation lacks shooting.

We don't really have one great shooter on the roster.

Our team could benefit from acquiring a true specialist type like McDermott but I think the league has adjusted as a whole now and those guys are expensive and hard to get.

Nobody is saying he is the sole reason for the subpar offense.

Oh yes there are

[Landshark]

Agree with Fultz's offensive impact being overrated in general. He's a relatively good playmaker for our roster, but that's counterbalanced by his lack of shooting. iirc, someone posted the stats before, and the actual reason we got better after 5-20 last season was defense. Fultz's return bumped Bol Bol, a terrible defender, out of the starting lineup and allowed Franz to focus on playing SF, on top of Fultz being a solid defender himself. In theory, this effect could be replicated with another good defensive PG, which might be what we're seeing with Black.

[Skybox]

I feel like the benefit of not having Fultz is that it removes the ball from his hands and puts it in the hands of Franz and Paolo, and the magic play better that way.

This is what they're built for...why minimize what makes these two freaks so special by giving them a "governor" on their motors?

[Skybox]

Agree with Fultz's offensive impact being overrated in general. He's a relatively good playmaker for our roster, but that's counterbalanced by his lack of shooting. iirc, someone posted the stats before, and the actual reason we got better after 5-20 last season was defense. Fultz's return bumped Bol Bol, a terrible defender, out of the starting lineup and allowed Franz to focus on playing SF, on top of Fultz being a solid defender himself. In theory, this effect could be replicated with another good defensive PG, which might be what we're seeing with Black.

I don't disagree. I've said all along that Franz has been the best PG on the team...but that's not where he should play. If Franz' first half performance continued all year...he's ROY, IMO. That probably wears him out and maybe marginalizes the team's ceiling but it shows a concept. NOT having a "real" PG helped us get a look at what Franz is capable of at 6'10.
...and, I'd say Paolo also to a great extent. Neither one is a PG, but having both really minimizes the need for a more traditional PG. We should have another scorer in there, even if he's not truly a PG...look at Jamal Murray, Denver's "PG" as the model.

This is why Simons, Brogdon, and Herro keep coming up for me...they are scorers that can handle and create enough to do the job.

Maxey's another one of the type. Suggs (maybe) will get there

[Residual-Heat]

Sadly, Maxey wouldve been a great fit for this team.

[jezzerinho]

Markelle does not help our shooting and I agree that our offense would be better if he did have 3 point range. I just want to point out that he is not the sole reason why our offense is bottom 10 in efficiency and our entire playing rotation lacks shooting.

We don't really have one great shooter on the roster.

Our team could benefit from acquiring a true specialist type like McDermott but I think the league has adjusted as a whole now and those guys are expensive and hard to get.

The shooters that CAN defend are the expensive ones. That's why like KCP are making huge differences on our team. A player like Mcdermot might help on the spacing but our defense will take a hit. we have a shooter that would be helpful in Harris... if his volume increased.... be a lil more selfish as long as the shot is good... and i guess that goes onto the high usage players to get him the ball in those positions so that he eventually takes the pressure off of them.

I still think cutting bait on Fultz is premature... as he's only played in 5 games... only 3-4 healthy ... at the beginning of the season... and with Paolo and Franz not really doing their best.

We'll see how the front office envisions it and how they will manage it.

Premature to move on from Fultz?

What more do we possibly need to learn at this point?

He's had time, he's had starter minutes, hes had quality teammates, hes had coaching, he's had rehab, hes had a massive arm around him after his rough start, he's had financial and contractual security...

There is nothing more to know. Markelle Fultz is who he is. A decent player who is a very poor fit with the Magic.

[eyriq]

Markelle does not help our shooting and I agree that our offense would be better if he did have 3 point range. I just want to point out that he is not the sole reason why our offense is bottom 10 in efficiency and our entire playing rotation lacks shooting.

We don't really have one great shooter on the roster.

Our team could benefit from acquiring a true specialist type like McDermott but I think the league has adjusted as a whole now and those guys are expensive and hard to get.

The shooters that CAN defend are the expensive ones. That's why like KCP are making huge differences on our team. A player like Mcdermot might help on the spacing but our defense will take a hit. we have a shooter that would be helpful in Harris... if his volume increased.... be a lil more selfish as long as the shot is good... and i guess that goes onto the high usage players to get him the ball in those positions so that he eventually takes the pressure off of them.

I still think cutting bait on Fultz is premature... as he's only played in 5 games... only 3-4 healthy ... at the beginning of the season... and with Paolo and Franz not really doing their best.

We'll see how the front office envisions it and how they will manage it.

Premature to move on from Fultz?

What more do we possibly need to learn at this point?

He's had time, he's had starter minutes, hes had quality teammates, hes had coaching, he's had rehab, hes had a massive arm around him after his rough start, he's had financial and contractual security...

There is nothing more to know. Markelle Fultz is who he is. A decent player who is a very poor fit with the Magic.

Yup. Case closed.

[Bensational]

How we move on is probably more important than continuing to say it’s time to move on. Personally, I think it’s happening naturally through Fultz’s injuries and availability: Black looks ready and already a better fit, Suggs is proving to be a quality starter, Cole is locked in on a team friendly deal and then we’ve got Jett in the wings waiting for some guard minutes. I don’t think we want to trade Fultz and bring in someone who will take minutes from those guys. We don’t want to trade Fultz for another PG who will take the ball out of the hands of Paolo and Franz. We just gotta ride it out and let AB inherit his starting role and let him and Suggs continue to grow and improve.