Official 2023-2024 Magic General Season Thread

jonbob17 · Post #81 » by **jonbob17** » Wed Nov 22, 2023 7:21 pm

drsd wrote:Boxscore thoughts:

Orlando lost the FG% battle (barely) but won the game ....
.... because the Magic took TWENTYFIVE more FG attempts. OOOOooofff

The Magic made 12 more FGs
15-5 on offensive rebounding
12-6 on steals
8-6 on blocks

And the stat that let Coach sleep soundly, the Magic won the TO battle 12-23.

Orlando is perfecting this Defense leads to Offense.

Fun fact. Orlando leads the league in points per game off of TO at 21.4.

tooler · Post #82 » by **tooler** » Wed Nov 22, 2023 7:25 pm

jonbob17 wrote:Fun fact. Orlando leads the league in points per game off of TO at 21.4.

This is one of those stats I file away in case the Magic revert to the mean and we need a good explanation. These are the elements I see to beat this team:

Play hard in the first half, you lazy bums
Defensive rebounding
Limit turnovers, play smart on offense
Get back in transition to setup the defense

Note how all of those factors are typically a given in the playoffs, so our team still has a long way to go. The only question is whether teams figure us out soon in the regular season.

jonbob17 · Post #83 » by **jonbob17** » Wed Nov 22, 2023 7:31 pm

jezzerinho wrote:
Optimus_Steel wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
Hope we continue it. Im more optimistic this time compared to the Vuc Era hot start we had.

Yea that hot start not sustainable. We were shooting historical 3pt numbers. This time around we have the defensive personnel to sustain this. We also seem mentally tougher now.

The manic defensive effort will also take its toll, don't forget. Very tough to keep up that intensity over a full gruelling season, not to mention avoiding injuries.

I'm enjoying the hell out of it, but we have to be realistic too.

Is there anything to suggest this is true? Like statistics showing early season defensive teams regressing over the course, or defensive teams having above average amount of missed games.
Seems anecdotal.

I'd say our defense is successful because of the talent of the players. I don't disagree with the argument, but I'd say it would be relevant if we had some scheme that we shaping the players into, and grinding out discipline. This seems more like raw talent and athleticism to me from a bunch of young guys, that should have no limits.

Saying all this with a rather large knock on wood, with the injury history of a certain someone, and even Suggs for that matter.

jonbob17 · Post #84 » by **jonbob17** » Wed Nov 22, 2023 7:48 pm

tooler wrote:
jonbob17 wrote:Fun fact. Orlando leads the league in points per game off of TO at 21.4.

This is one of those stats I file away in case the Magic revert to the mean and we need a good explanation. These are the elements I see to beat this team:

Play hard in the first half, you lazy bums
Defensive rebounding
Limit turnovers, play smart on offense
Get back in transition to setup the defense
Note how all of those factors are typically a given in the playoffs, so our team still has a long way to go. The only question is whether teams figure us out soon in the regular season.

It's a good point. Disciplined and schemed teams are going to be ready. At the same time, teams don't really scheme during the season, i am sure they will put it in the notes/meetings,like Orlando likes turn you over and run. Not sure there is much you can do to limit turnovers on short turn arounds.

All these turnovers, we are 2nd in NBA in steals behind Clippers btw, are leading to fast breaks where efficiency goes way up, and is probably offsetting some of the early season shooting woes.

So yah, while teams may figure us out a little, and we may regress a bit in offense off of turnovers...we should also see some regression on the other end and our shooting...as in it has to get better...cough...I hope

One other thing you pointed out about opponents defensive rebounding, we are ranked 8th in offensive rebounds. One really interesting rebounding stats, I am not sure i really understand The Magic rank 22nd in defensive rebounds. We rank 2nd in opponents 2nd chance points...you would think those would be correlated, like if you arent getting defensive rebounds you are giving up offensive rebounds which leads to 2nd chance points. It's probably a function of limiting possessions and attempts in general, but probably also these guys recovering and rotating better than other teams.

RookieStar · Post #85 » by **RookieStar** » Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:10 pm

jonbob17 wrote:
jezzerinho wrote:
Optimus_Steel wrote:

Yea that hot start not sustainable. We were shooting historical 3pt numbers. This time around we have the defensive personnel to sustain this. We also seem mentally tougher now.

The manic defensive effort will also take its toll, don't forget. Very tough to keep up that intensity over a full gruelling season, not to mention avoiding injuries.

I'm enjoying the hell out of it, but we have to be realistic too.

Is there anything to suggest this is true? Like statistics showing early season defensive teams regressing over the course, or defensive teams having above average amount of missed games.
Seems anecdotal.

I'd say our defense is successful because of the talent of the players. I don't disagree with the argument, but I'd say it would be relevant if we had some scheme that we shaping the players into, and grinding out discipline. This seems more like raw talent and athleticism to me from a bunch of young guys, that should have no limits.

Saying all this with a rather large knock on wood, with the injury history of a certain someone, and even Suggs for that matter.

Well.... physical and mental it does take a toll on you. Little injuries pile up. Your body instead of going 100 km/hr scales back to 90 km/hr. Your mind is self-preserving your body knowing finish line is near and time for another race (PO).

RookieStar · Post #86 » by **RookieStar** » Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:12 pm

jezzerinho wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
jezzerinho wrote:
The Boston game means a lot more. So yeah, agreed.
If we end up tied at the end of the season, it could give us the tie breaker.

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Plus Eddie House.

Extra Motivation.

Someone put in the locker room Eddies' quote

RookieStar · Post #87 » by **RookieStar** » Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:16 pm

Optimus_Steel wrote:
RookieStar wrote:I have a feeling this game we are gonna see Goga get eaten alive and we will be clamoring for wcj to be back

We will see, hope that JI had his Weathies this morning.

If ever there was a game that we need JI to play more than 25mins, its this one.

BCS · Post #88 » by **BCS** » Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:49 pm

RookieStar wrote:
Optimus_Steel wrote:
RookieStar wrote:I have a feeling this game we are gonna see Goga get eaten alive and we will be clamoring for wcj to be back

We will see, hope that JI had his Weathies this morning.

If ever there was a game that we need JI to play more than 25mins, its this one.

On a back to back, be happy if he gets 15 mins.

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RookieStar · Post #89 » by **RookieStar** » Thu Nov 23, 2023 12:05 am

BCS wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
Optimus_Steel wrote:

We will see, hope that JI had his Weathies this morning.

If ever there was a game that we need JI to play more than 25mins, its this one.
On a back to back, be happy if he gets 15 mins.

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Actually... on a back2back, im happy he is playing at all. Lol

meatwad4343 · Post #90 » by **meatwad4343** » Thu Nov 23, 2023 3:06 am

Tied for 2nd place in the east after tonight's games. Not a bad start for a team where most people thought they'd just be competing for a play in spot

tooler · Post #91 » by **tooler** » Thu Nov 23, 2023 4:13 am

Down to 3rd in defensive efficiency across the league. Keep up that grind!

Up to 21st in offensive efficiency. Still 7th in net rating.

doct3r dr3 · Post #92 » by **doct3r dr3** » Thu Nov 23, 2023 4:42 am

meatwad4343 wrote:Tied for 2nd place in the east after tonight's games. Not a bad start for a team where most people thought they'd just be competing for a play in spot

It's so beautiful!

drsd · Post #93 » by **drsd** » Thu Nov 23, 2023 9:50 am

doct3r dr3 wrote:
meatwad4343 wrote:Tied for 2nd place in the east after tonight's games. Not a bad start for a team where most people thought they'd just be competing for a play in spot

It's so beautiful!

If the season ended now, I believe based on tie-breakers, the Magic is the current Eastern #2 seed!

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Post #94 » by **eyriq** » Thu Nov 23, 2023 1:17 pm

Happy Thanksgiving!

Read on Twitter

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Post #95 » by **eyriq** » Thu Nov 23, 2023 3:04 pm

"Boston (2-0) at Orlando (2-1): The Celtics clinch East Group C with a win here but still have work to do to gain home-court advantage in a potential quarterfinal. Orlando, believe it or not, would have a strong chance at being a group winner if it wins this game, needing only a Brooklyn loss or a point-differential advantage in a three-way tie. To achieve the latter, Orlando would have to win by at least eight points and probably much more. The Magic can theoretically also get a wild card but again would need to win by a large margin to make that realistic."

https://theathletic.com/5083080/2023/11/22/nba-in-season-tournament-standings-pacers-hawks?source=user-shared-article

Post #96 » by **eyriq** » Thu Nov 23, 2023 3:19 pm

We need to beat Boston and the Raptors need to beat the Nets.

KillMonger · Post #97 » by **KillMonger** » Thu Nov 23, 2023 3:51 pm

Read on Twitter

g-league stint will help jett

Post #98 » by **magik9113** » Thu Nov 23, 2023 3:51 pm

I can't bring myself to care about the in-season tournament, but yea it'd be cool to see our young squad advance.

advancing or not, let's just beat Boston!!!!!! Super excited for tomorrow's game, even if we are "due" for an L.

Hoping for a quick Thanksgiving so I can sleep in tomorrow morning and the game gets there sooner.

Happy Thanksgiving Magic fans! I know we are all grateful for how our team is performing :clap:

Post #99 » by **magik9113** » Thu Nov 23, 2023 3:55 pm

KillMonger wrote:

Read on Twitter

g-league stint will help jett

awesome!
He finished with 31 pts, 7-16 three pointers.
Trevelin Queen finished with 37 pts

tooler · Post #100 » by **tooler** » Thu Nov 23, 2023 4:14 pm

KillMonger wrote:

Read on Twitter

g-league stint will help jett

I think he's going to be fine. Maybe just not right away, and that's fine too. We're busy with other things.