No elephant in the room, What do we do about J.Isaac

[pepe1991]

He's still young at 27 while having taken 3 years off due to injury but it does look like his best years might be behind him. I really thought we were gonna see a defensive player of the year from him this year but instead he has regressed a good bit.

Serge Ibaka syndrom? Peak at 24, by age 27 shell of former self on defense.
Mobility is key factor for players like Ibaka, Isaac, Mobley, Holmgren. They aren't very skilled offensive players but ability to cover lot of ground makes their defense special. Without latheral quickness and mobility there isn't much to offer.

[basketballRob]

The problem from a trade perspective is our ownership and front office value JI way more than any other team.

I don’t think he’s more than 10 pounds heavier than he was last season currently. But his timing is horrendous. I don’t know if that’s focus or the latest injuries have inexplicably made it harder for him to return to normal defensively.

He is and never can be a center. But he’s been awful defensively by his standards.

The team we trade him for would have the option of waiving him by January 6th. I would trade him for Cam Johnson

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[Skybox]

The problem from a trade perspective is our ownership and front office value JI way more than any other team.

I don’t think he’s more than 10 pounds heavier than he was last season currently. But his timing is horrendous. I don’t know if that’s focus or the latest injuries have inexplicably made it harder for him to return to normal defensively.

He is and never can be a center. But he’s been awful defensively by his standards.

The team we trade him for would have the option of waiving him by January 6th. I would trade him for Cam Johnson

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WHAT is BRK's incentive to do that?
Picks, save money?

I'd rather have Cam Johnson than Isaac, but he's not a great fit next to Claxton and, allegedly, there are a lot of teams interested in Cam. My opposition to Cam is the logjam when Paolo & Franz return...but if Isaac went out-it would work, although it would add about $7m in payroll next season.

Maybe...
Isaac + DEN & ORL 25 frps for Cam does work on the trade checker.

If this is one of two moves, I'd be very happy. We still need that backcourt playmaking scoring threat. Follow it with
Cole and Jett (or Gary or AB) plus a future frp for Sexton and we're on to something. I'd prefer it not be Gary, because I'd like to send out as much guaranteed payroll (pref Cole & Jett) as possible. Hopefully, one frp is enough, especially considering taking Cole's salary...if not, you could talk to POR about Simons, but that's even more payroll (but obscene 3pt volume with Simons/Cam )

Goga/WCJ/(Moe)
Paolo/TdS
Franz/Cam Johnson
KCP/Sexton
Suggs/AB

[basketballRob]

The problem from a trade perspective is our ownership and front office value JI way more than any other team.

I don’t think he’s more than 10 pounds heavier than he was last season currently. But his timing is horrendous. I don’t know if that’s focus or the latest injuries have inexplicably made it harder for him to return to normal defensively.

He is and never can be a center. But he’s been awful defensively by his standards.

The team we trade him for would have the option of waiving him by January 6th. I would trade him for Cam Johnson

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WHAT is BRK's incentive to do that?
Picks, save money?

I'd rather have Cam Johnson than Isaac, but he's not a great fit next to Claxton and, allegedly, there are a lot of teams interested in Cam. My opposition to Cam is the logjam when Paolo & Franz return...but if Isaac went out-it would work, although it would add about $7m in payroll next season.

Maybe...
Isaac + DEN & ORL 25 frps for Cam does work on the trade checker.

If this is one of two moves, I'd be very happy. We still need that backcourt playmaking scoring threat. Follow it with
Cole and Jett (or Gary or AB) plus a future frp for Sexton and we're on to something. I'd prefer it not be Gary, because I'd like to send out as much guaranteed payroll (pref Cole & Jett) as possible. Hopefully, one frp is enough, especially considering taking Cole's salary.

Goga/WCJ/(Moe)
Paolo/TdS
Franz/Cam Johnson
KCP/Sexton
Suggs/AB

Brooklyn would be able to waive him and save the money. We have the option of waiving him by the 6th.

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[basketballRob]

It's possible with Isaac's renegotiation that we no longer have the option of waiving him.

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[Idiosyncratic]

The problem from a trade perspective is our ownership and front office value JI way more than any other team.

I don’t think he’s more than 10 pounds heavier than he was last season currently. But his timing is horrendous. I don’t know if that’s focus or the latest injuries have inexplicably made it harder for him to return to normal defensively.

He is and never can be a center. But he’s been awful defensively by his standards.

The team we trade him for would have the option of waiving him by January 6th. I would trade him for Cam Johnson

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WHAT is BRK's incentive to do that?
Picks, save money?

I'd rather have Cam Johnson than Isaac, but he's not a great fit next to Claxton and, allegedly, there are a lot of teams interested in Cam. My opposition to Cam is the logjam when Paolo & Franz return...but if Isaac went out-it would work, although it would add about $7m in payroll next season.

Maybe...
Isaac + DEN & ORL 25 frps for Cam does work on the trade checker.

If this is one of two moves, I'd be very happy. We still need that backcourt playmaking scoring threat. Follow it with
Cole and Jett (or Gary or AB) plus a future frp for Sexton and we're on to something. I'd prefer it not be Gary, because I'd like to send out as much guaranteed payroll (pref Cole & Jett) as possible. Hopefully, one frp is enough, especially considering taking Cole's salary...if not, you could talk to POR about Simons, but that's even more payroll (but obscene 3pt volume with Simons/Cam )

Goga/WCJ/(Moe)
Paolo/TdS
Franz/Cam Johnson
KCP/Sexton
Suggs/AB

Not to say anything about the trade idea, but I think the Nets would want later year picks because they have 4 next year already.

[pepe1991]

The team we trade him for would have the option of waiving him by January 6th. I would trade him for Cam Johnson

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WHAT is BRK's incentive to do that?
Picks, save money?

I'd rather have Cam Johnson than Isaac, but he's not a great fit next to Claxton and, allegedly, there are a lot of teams interested in Cam. My opposition to Cam is the logjam when Paolo & Franz return...but if Isaac went out-it would work, although it would add about $7m in payroll next season.

Maybe...
Isaac + DEN & ORL 25 frps for Cam does work on the trade checker.

If this is one of two moves, I'd be very happy. We still need that backcourt playmaking scoring threat. Follow it with
Cole and Jett (or Gary or AB) plus a future frp for Sexton and we're on to something. I'd prefer it not be Gary, because I'd like to send out as much guaranteed payroll (pref Cole & Jett) as possible. Hopefully, one frp is enough, especially considering taking Cole's salary...if not, you could talk to POR about Simons, but that's even more payroll (but obscene 3pt volume with Simons/Cam )

Goga/WCJ/(Moe)
Paolo/TdS
Franz/Cam Johnson
KCP/Sexton
Suggs/AB

Not to say anything about the trade idea, but I think the Nets would want later year picks because they have 4 next year already.

Also when you trade for picks you want to trade few years later, because you never know who can suck for whatever reason.
Nuggets & Magic 2025 picks are bound to be mid 20s pick and that simply isn't that valuable.

[Skybox]

WHAT is BRK's incentive to do that?
Picks, save money?

I'd rather have Cam Johnson than Isaac, but he's not a great fit next to Claxton and, allegedly, there are a lot of teams interested in Cam. My opposition to Cam is the logjam when Paolo & Franz return...but if Isaac went out-it would work, although it would add about $7m in payroll next season.

Maybe...
Isaac + DEN & ORL 25 frps for Cam does work on the trade checker.

If this is one of two moves, I'd be very happy. We still need that backcourt playmaking scoring threat. Follow it with
Cole and Jett (or Gary or AB) plus a future frp for Sexton and we're on to something. I'd prefer it not be Gary, because I'd like to send out as much guaranteed payroll (pref Cole & Jett) as possible. Hopefully, one frp is enough, especially considering taking Cole's salary...if not, you could talk to POR about Simons, but that's even more payroll (but obscene 3pt volume with Simons/Cam )

Goga/WCJ/(Moe)
Paolo/TdS
Franz/Cam Johnson
KCP/Sexton
Suggs/AB

Not to say anything about the trade idea, but I think the Nets would want later year picks because they have 4 next year already.

Also when you trade for picks you want to trade few years later, because you never know who can suck for whatever reason.
Nuggets & Magic 2025 picks are bound to be mid 20s pick and that simply isn't that valuable.

That’s why I want to dump them for a real player

[MartinsIzAfraud]

It's possible with Isaac's renegotiation that we no longer have the option of waiving him.

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No we’re still covered and he’s got to play 52 games to be fully guaranteed. Wish I could give 63% to have my pay fully guaranteed. He’ll have 1 more year IMO then waived.

Total guaranteed new money: $66,600,000 (New 2024-25 Base + 2025-26 Base + $8 million 2026-27 Base)

2026-27: $8 million guaranteed, fully guaranteed if Isaac plays 52 games in 2025-26 or one day after the 2026 moratorium

2027-28: non-guaranteed, fully guaranteed if Isaac plays 52 games in 2026-27 or one day after the 2027 moratorium

2028-29: non-guaranteed, fully guaranteed if Isaac plays 52 games in 2027-28 or one day after the 2028 moratorium

[Skybox]

It's possible with Isaac's renegotiation that we no longer have the option of waiving him.

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No we’re still covered and he’s got to play 52 games to be fully guaranteed. Wish I could give 63% to have my pay fully guaranteed. He’ll have 1 more year IMO then waived.

Total guaranteed new money: $66,600,000 (New 2024-25 Base + 2025-26 Base + $8 million 2026-27 Base)

2026-27: $8 million guaranteed, fully guaranteed if Isaac plays 52 games in 2025-26 or one day after the 2026 moratorium

2027-28: non-guaranteed, fully guaranteed if Isaac plays 52 games in 2026-27 or one day after the 2027 moratorium

2028-29: non-guaranteed, fully guaranteed if Isaac plays 52 games in 2027-28 or one day after the 2028 moratorium

This new contract and all of its flexibility for the FO is good...it's a very fair reflection of where Isaac is at now, IMO. I'm happy to hang on to him for $15m...if he's giving 16mpg of DPOY defense - it's a huge win. But he needs to fix whatever's off this year - whether it's the weight or something else. I'd also seriously consider trading him now, while his outgoing salary is $25m - that's attractive for matching a large salary, but also attractive to the other side due to the savings next year. This deal is admirable work by Weltman.

Cole and, especially, WCJ's deals are terrible. Moe's is fine and offers team flexibility...but all of this flexibility is worthless if the world is saying "You can't do that-no agent will ever deal with you"...which is kind of like (not about Isaac, but), "He expects to start, even if he can't make a shot" and "What if his brother doesn't agree to it?" and all the other feel-good stuff that (maybe) make good team-friendly terms useless in reality.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

It's possible with Isaac's renegotiation that we no longer have the option of waiving him.

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No we’re still covered and he’s got to play 52 games to be fully guaranteed. Wish I could give 63% to have my pay fully guaranteed. He’ll have 1 more year IMO then waived.

Total guaranteed new money: $66,600,000 (New 2024-25 Base + 2025-26 Base + $8 million 2026-27 Base)

2026-27: $8 million guaranteed, fully guaranteed if Isaac plays 52 games in 2025-26 or one day after the 2026 moratorium

2027-28: non-guaranteed, fully guaranteed if Isaac plays 52 games in 2026-27 or one day after the 2027 moratorium

2028-29: non-guaranteed, fully guaranteed if Isaac plays 52 games in 2027-28 or one day after the 2028 moratorium

This new contract and all of its flexibility for the FO is good...it's a very fair reflection of where Isaac is at now, IMO. I'm happy to hang on to him for $15m...if he's giving 16mpg of DPOY defense - it's a huge win. But he needs to fix whatever's off this year - whether it's the weight or something else. I'd also seriously consider trading him now, while his outgoing salary is $25m - that's attractive for matching a large salary, but also attractive to the other side due to the savings next year. This deal is admirable work by Weltman.

Cole and, especially, WCJ's deals are terrible. Moe's is fine and offers team flexibility...but all of this flexibility is worthless if the world is saying "You can't do that-no agent will ever deal with you"...which is kind of like (not about Isaac, but), "He expects to start, even if he can't make a shot" and "What if his brother doesn't agree to it?" and all the other feel-good stuff that (maybe) make good team-friendly terms useless in reality.

I'm hoping if the FO is thinking of waiving him when the time comes they at least make some calls to see who would want a trial. Take a disgruntled player or a simons/sexton like player who isn't wanted by team.

[Fortune Teller]

To think how many times this front office could have simply moved on from Isaac. Even when his deal was non-guaranteed they kept him on the roster, and then instead of letting that deal expire they extended him and gave him a big one-year raise. "Oh but the deal is team-friendly starting next season..." Yeah, another $45 mil for 3 more years.

[eyriq]

I suspect he's playing injured in order to avoid contracted triggers that would negatively effect the value of his deal. These are based on games played targets.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

He's played 31 games so far & only needs to play in 21 of the remaining 45 regular-season games to hit that 52 number. Will be interesting to see as we get closer to end of the season if we're set in our spot do they sit him.

[three3d]

From here on out Jonathan Issac shall be referred to only as JONATHAN 15SAC cause he can only give you 15 disappointing minutes per night

[Last Guardian]

As much as I've always liked him, he's been terrible this season. Defense is down to OK, and offense is abysmal. It used to be offense was below average, and defense was elite. Huge drop off.

He needs to go back to 220. This drop off has nothing to do with age or injury history. He was elite defensively last season. Injury had little affect. This size hasn't helped him at all. It works for some like Dwight and Giannis but doesn't work for others.

[jezzerinho]

He got overpaid. What's in it for him to bust his ass at anything other than bulk himself up so he doesn't get a career ending injury?

Get bulky. Hit availability and minutes clauses. Collect money. Retire and become a politician.

[Bakomagic]

If we are not trading him, we should sit him a week and a half before and after the all star break that way he can have an about a month off and get ready for the stretch run.

Maybe that will help?

[Bergmaniac]

The swing in Isaac's impact numbers from last year to this one is just wild. He led the team in on/off rating last year with 12.7 and now he is dead last with -11.7. This pretty much never happens without a major injury or a complete overhaul of the roster and the role of the player in question.

[three3d]

The swing in Isaac's impact numbers from last year to this one is just wild. He led the team in on/off rating last year with 12.7 and now he is dead last with -11.7. This pretty much never happens without a major injury or a complete overhaul of the roster and the role of the player in question.

I’m completely baffled by his minutes restriction, I don’t think we can call it anything other than that. You’d think if it as weight related the simple solution would be to play him and change his diet so he could lose weight. Shooting is muscle memory more than anything really, JI didn’t “Hulk” up so the amount of bricks and air balls he’s shooting is unexplainable.