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Re: ESPN Net Points vs. Sweater Vest Voting 

Post#81 » by JoshuaPotter » Wed Mar 19, 2025 5:11 pm

eyriq wrote:Yes, he's bad on offense right now. Most young point guards are bad on offense. Is he worse than expected for a defense first prospect? Not really, IMO.

We are giving him reps and he's doing well with the opportunity. He literally just led the team to their biggest win of the season. He's been playing better on offense lately. He's easily on a path to be a quality starter for us and one of the best defenders at his position in the league. His shooting is better than expected, he's showing playmaking chops, and his free throw rate remains elite.

Most of the board agrees with this based on the poll we conducted a while ago. Y'all are just a small but vocal minority of haters who never accepted the pick. It comforts me to know that you are mostly the same voices poo pooing Paolo as well. In other words, y'all have a blind spot for evaluating players.


Honestly, I expected more from him. The cavs game went a LONG way to proving that his occasional outburst in output isn't a fluke. Unfortunately the small portion of time we started him he didn't do well and I think thus is playing in his bench role.

Now we can debate tons of reasons associated to why he didn't do well and to be the "Elephant in the room" is when he starts he is forced to play in Catch-N-Shoot mode which is like asking for the worst of all his offensive skill sets.

Having him come off the bench gives him an opportunity to drive, dribble, and yes still spot up within the flow of the game. Also as many have argued, he is a better wing then he is a PG right now. Challenge is, when do we say PGs are done cooking. What's the consensus there?
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Re: ESPN Net Points vs. Sweater Vest Voting 

Post#82 » by eyriq » Wed Mar 19, 2025 5:28 pm

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eyriq wrote:Yes, he's bad on offense right now. Most young point guards are bad on offense. Is he worse than expected for a defense first prospect? Not really, IMO.

We are giving him reps and he's doing well with the opportunity. He literally just led the team to their biggest win of the season. He's been playing better on offense lately. He's easily on a path to be a quality starter for us and one of the best defenders at his position in the league. His shooting is better than expected, he's showing playmaking chops, and his free throw rate remains elite.

Most of the board agrees with this based on the poll we conducted a while ago. Y'all are just a small but vocal minority of haters who never accepted the pick. It comforts me to know that you are mostly the same voices poo pooing Paolo as well. In other words, y'all have a blind spot for evaluating players.


Honestly, I expected more from him. The cavs game went a LONG way to proving that his occasional outburst in output isn't a fluke. Unfortunately the small portion of time we started him he didn't do well and I think thus is playing in his bench role.

Now we can debate tons of reasons associated to why he didn't do well and to be the "Elephant in the room" is when he starts he is forced to play in Catch-N-Shoot mode which is like asking for the worst of all his offensive skill sets.

Having him come off the bench gives him an opportunity to drive, dribble, and yes still spot up within the flow of the game. Also as many have argued, he is a better wing then he is a PG right now. Challenge is, when do we say PGs are done cooking. What's the consensus there?


There's an argument that he's been our best guard outside of Suggs. More consistency would be nice.

Edit: He's clearly better than Cole and he's close with KCP. Clears Jett and CoJo. More available than Suggs, having more impact than Suggs.
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Re: ESPN Net Points vs. Sweater Vest Voting 

Post#83 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Wed Mar 19, 2025 6:06 pm

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Knightro wrote:Black is young and Black is a good defensive player, which is somewhat rare for a young player.

Otherwise, he's actively bad. Advanced metrics are awful. Regular stats are awful.

THAT DOES NOT MEAN HE CAN'T IMPROVE. THAT DOES NOT MEAN HE WON'T IMPROVE.

It means right now he's bad and a long way off from being a positive contributor to a winning program.

To suggest otherwise comes off quite disingenuous.

and he's likely our only exciting player that other teams would want in a trade and here we are this summer needing to make a few moves.
They may also want Franz.

Mosely should consider running the offense through AB some.

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in terms of available to trade, don't see Franz/Paolo/Suggs being moved.
A scoring guard.. never heard of one. :roll:
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Post#84 » by eyriq » Wed Mar 19, 2025 6:29 pm

Franz only having one dunce cap is wild.
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Post#85 » by eyriq » Wed Mar 19, 2025 6:52 pm

Cole and KCP being this bad is unacceptable, and Suggs being injury prone really puts the squeeze on our backcourt. Thankfully we have AB on a rookie scale contract.
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Post#86 » by eyriq » Wed Mar 19, 2025 8:03 pm

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Re: ESPN Net Points vs. Sweater Vest Voting 

Post#87 » by eyriq » Wed Mar 19, 2025 8:27 pm

AB vs Castle is closer than y'all think

Net Points / 100
oNet, dNet, tNet

Castle -1.67, -1.6, -3.27
Black -2.59, +0.44, -2.15

Y'all hating and can stay hating meanwhile I'm chilling on "feels good to be right" Island.
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Post#88 » by JoshuaPotter » Wed Mar 19, 2025 8:50 pm

eyriq wrote:AB vs Castle is closer than y'all think

Net Points / 100
oNet, dNet, tNet

Castle -1.67, -1.6, -3.27
Black -2.59, +0.44, -2.15

Y'all hating and can stay hating meanwhile I'm chilling on "feels good to be right" Island.


I'm alluding to it, so ill come right out and say it. If he develops into a medium level volume shooter as a respectable clip, he instantly becomes the third best player because his woodshed tool is larger then Suggs just over redundant compared to sigh the current strengths of the team.
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Re: ESPN Net Points vs. Sweater Vest Voting 

Post#89 » by Skybox » Wed Mar 19, 2025 9:07 pm

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eyriq wrote:AB vs Castle is closer than y'all think

Net Points / 100
oNet, dNet, tNet

Castle -1.67, -1.6, -3.27
Black -2.59, +0.44, -2.15

Y'all hating and can stay hating meanwhile I'm chilling on "feels good to be right" Island.


I'm alluding to it, so ill come right out and say it. If he develops into a medium level volume shooter as a respectable clip, he instantly becomes the third best player because his woodshed tool is larger then Suggs just over redundant compared to sigh the current strengths of the team.


If we started calling Isaac a PG...he'd be the best defensive PG in the NBA.

I don't think there's a whole lot of debate about whether AB is a good defender. He's a very good defender and has great positional length and great lateral movement.

He's just not a good PG. He's MUCH more similar to KCP & Suggs in what he brings, skill-wise than a true PG. Everyone on the team can "bring the ball up"...that doesn't define a PG on any meaningful level.
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Re: ESPN Net Points vs. Sweater Vest Voting 

Post#90 » by JoshuaPotter » Wed Mar 19, 2025 9:10 pm

Skybox wrote:
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eyriq wrote:AB vs Castle is closer than y'all think

Net Points / 100
oNet, dNet, tNet

Castle -1.67, -1.6, -3.27
Black -2.59, +0.44, -2.15

Y'all hating and can stay hating meanwhile I'm chilling on "feels good to be right" Island.


I'm alluding to it, so ill come right out and say it. If he develops into a medium level volume shooter as a respectable clip, he instantly becomes the third best player because his woodshed tool is larger then Suggs just over redundant compared to sigh the current strengths of the team.


If we started calling Isaac a PG...he'd be the best defensive PG in the NBA.

I don't think there's a whole lot of debate about whether AB is a good defender. He's a very good defender and has great positional length and great lateral movement.

He's just not a good PG. He's MUCH more similar to KCP & Suggs in what he brings, skill-wise than a true PG. Everyone on the team can "bring the ball up"...that doesn't define a PG on any meaningful level.


As I said. When do we call it quits on the "it takes a PG a long time to develop" trope. Because right now, he has some meaninful tools in the woodshed to be the second coming of Ingles, but not really a PG.
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Re: ESPN Net Points vs. Sweater Vest Voting 

Post#91 » by eyriq » Wed Mar 19, 2025 9:20 pm

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Skybox wrote:
JoshuaPotter wrote:
I'm alluding to it, so ill come right out and say it. If he develops into a medium level volume shooter as a respectable clip, he instantly becomes the third best player because his woodshed tool is larger then Suggs just over redundant compared to sigh the current strengths of the team.


If we started calling Isaac a PG...he'd be the best defensive PG in the NBA.

I don't think there's a whole lot of debate about whether AB is a good defender. He's a very good defender and has great positional length and great lateral movement.

He's just not a good PG. He's MUCH more similar to KCP & Suggs in what he brings, skill-wise than a true PG. Everyone on the team can "bring the ball up"...that doesn't define a PG on any meaningful level.


As I said. When do we call it quits on the "it takes a PG a long time to develop" trope. Because right now, he has some meaninful tools in the woodshed to be the second coming of Ingles, but not really a PG.


Probably by his 4th season. Suggs got the role at 23 and probably showed enough to get a different role next season.
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Post#92 » by Skybox » Wed Mar 19, 2025 9:30 pm

I used to say this about Fultz and now AB, to an extent..."our large PG actually has the skillset to be an undersized PF"
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Post#93 » by eyriq » Wed Mar 19, 2025 11:56 pm

Knightro wrote:Black is young and Black is a good defensive player, which is somewhat rare for a young player.

Otherwise, he's actively bad. Advanced metrics are awful. Regular stats are awful.

THAT DOES NOT MEAN HE CAN'T IMPROVE. THAT DOES NOT MEAN HE WON'T IMPROVE.

It means right now he's bad and a long way off from being a positive contributor to a winning program.

To suggest otherwise comes off quite disingenuous.
How does net points compare to epm?
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Re: ESPN Net Points vs. Sweater Vest Voting 

Post#94 » by Knightro » Thu Mar 20, 2025 12:34 am

eyriq wrote:How does net points compare to epm?


Black Year 1
−3.0 Offensive EPM (13th percentile, 452nd overall)
+0.5 Defensive EPM (76th percentile, 125th overall)
−2.5 Overall EPM (29th percentile, 367th overall)

Black Year 2
−3.4 Offensive EPM (8th percentile, 454th overall)
+0.7 Defensive EPM (76th percentile, 118th overall
−2.7 Overall EPM (24th percentile, 377th overall)
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Re: ESPN Net Points vs. Sweater Vest Voting 

Post#95 » by eyriq » Thu Mar 20, 2025 1:05 am

Knightro wrote:
eyriq wrote:How does net points compare to epm?


Black Year 1
−3.0 Offensive EPM (13th percentile, 452nd overall)
+0.5 Defensive EPM (76th percentile, 125th overall)
−2.5 Overall EPM (29th percentile, 367th overall)

Black Year 2
−3.4 Offensive EPM (8th percentile, 454th overall)
+0.7 Defensive EPM (76th percentile, 118th overall
−2.7 Overall EPM (24th percentile, 377th overall)
Hmmm, pretty close to net points. I meant in general though, what do you think about net points as a metric?
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Re: ESPN Net Points vs. Sweater Vest Voting 

Post#96 » by Knightro » Thu Mar 20, 2025 1:27 am

eyriq wrote:Hmmm, pretty close to net points. I meant in general though, what do you think about net points as a metric?


I think they're both useful for helping determine if what your eyes are seeing is actually real or not.
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Re: ESPN Net Points vs. Sweater Vest Voting 

Post#97 » by Knightro » Thu Mar 20, 2025 3:41 am

Knightro wrote:2024-2025 Dunce Cap Rankings per ESPN Net Points

Loss 1 at Memphis
-3 Paolo
-2 Carter
-1 KCP

Loss 2 at Chicago (Paolo injured during the game)
-3 KCP
-2 Franz
-1 Harris

Loss 3 at Cleveland
-3 Harris
-2 Franz
-1 Black

Loss 4 at Dallas
-3 Moritz
-2 Harris
-1 Black

Loss 5 at Oklahoma City
-3 Black
-2 Da Silva
-1 Jett

Loss 6 at Indiana
-3 Jett
-2 Da Silva
-1 Goga

Loss 7 at LA Clippers
-3 KCP
-2 Moritz
-1 Harris

Loss 8 at New York
-3 Suggs
-2 KCP
-1 Black

Loss 9 at Philadelphia (Franz injured during the game)
-3 Black
-2 Da Silva
-1 KCP

Loss 10 at Milwaukee
-3 Cole
-2 KCP
-1 Da Silva

Loss 11 v. New York
-3 Suggs
-2 Black
-1 Jett

Loss 12 v. Oklahoma City
-3 Cole
-2 Moritz
-1 Suggs

Moe Wagner lost for the season between these two games

Loss 13 v. Miami
-3 Cole
-2 Black
-1 Isaac

Loss 14 v. New York
-3 Da Silva
-2 Isaac
-1 Harris

Loss 15 at Detroit
-3 Da Silva
-2 Carter
-1 Goga

Jalen Suggs lost for the season between these two games

Loss 16 v. Utah
-3 KCP
-2 Isaac
-1 Da Silva

Loss 17 v. Minnesota
-3 Cole
-2 Queen
-1 Black

Loss 18 v. Milwaukee (Paolo returns)
-3 Cole
-2 Houstan
-1 Carter

Loss 19 at Milwaukee
-3 Paolo
-2 Cole
-1 Houstan

Loss 20 at Boston
-3 Paolo
-2 Carter
-1 Da Silva

Loss 21 v. Denver
-3 KCP
-2 Queen
-1 Black

Loss 22 at Toronto
-3 Queen
-2 Houstan
-1 CoJo

Loss 23 v. Portland (Franz returns)
-3 Paolo
-2 Franz
-1 KCP

Loss 24 at Miami
-3 Paolo
-2 KCP
-1 Franz

Loss 25 at Portland
-3 Black
-2 KCP
-1 Paolo

Loss 26 at Utah
-3 Paolo
-2 Black
-1 Jett

Loss 27 at Golden State
-3 Paolo
-2 Goga
-1 Black

Loss 28 at Denver
-3 Cole
-2 Franz
-1 Queen

Loss 29 v. Atlanta
-3 KCP
-2 Isaac
-1 Black

Loss 30 v. Memphis
-3 Paolo
-2 Black
-1 Carter

Loss 31 v. Cleveland
-3 Black
-2 Da Silva
-1 Harris

Loss 32 v. Golden State
-3 KCP
-2 Cole
-1 Carter

Loss 33 v. Toronto
-3 Black
-2 Goga
-1 Cole

Loss 34 v. Toronto
-3 Carter
-2 Franz
-1 Jett

Loss 35 v. Chicago
-3 Da Silva
-2 CoJo
-1 Paolo

Loss 36 at Houston
-3 Cole
-2 Da Silva
-1 Black

Loss 37 at Minnesota
-3 Franz
-2 Carter
-1 Black


Dunce Caps
Paolo: 8
Cole: 7
KCP: 6
Black: 5
Da Silva: 3
Suggs: 2
Queen: 1
Harris: 1
Carter: 1
Moritz: 1
Jett: 1
Franz: 1

Dunce Cummerbunds (open to suggestions on this name)
Franz: 5
Da Silva: 5
Carter: 4
Black: 4
KCP: 4
Isaac: 3
Goga: 2
Moritz: 2
Cole: 2
Houstan: 2
Queen: 2
Harris: 1
CoJo: 1

Dunce Mittens (open to suggestions on this name)
Black: 9
Jett: 4
Harris: 4
KCP: 3
Da Silva: 3
Carter: 3
Paolo: 2
Goga: 2
Franz: 1
Houstan: 1
Queen: 1
Cole: 1
Suggs: 1
Isaac: 1
CoJo: 1

Total Dunce Points
Black -32
KCP -29
Paolo -26
Cole -26
Da Silva -22
Carter -14
Franz -14
Harris -9
Queen -8
Moritz -7
Jett -7
Isaac -7
Goga -6
Suggs -6
Houstan -5
CoJo -3

Vest to Dunce Net Ratio
Franz +25
Goga +17
Moritz +10
Isaac +7
Carter +4
Suggs +1
Joseph -2
Paolo -5
Houstan -5
Harris -6
Queen -6
Jett -6
Da Silva -13
KCP -14
Black -17
Cole -20


Update

Loss 38 v. Houston
-3 Black
-2 Harris
-1 KCP

Dunce Caps
Paolo: 8
Cole: 7
KCP: 6
Black: 6
Da Silva: 3
Suggs: 2
Queen: 1
Harris: 1
Carter: 1
Moritz: 1
Jett: 1
Franz: 1

Dunce Cummerbunds (open to suggestions on this name)
Franz: 5
Da Silva: 5
Carter: 4
Black: 4
KCP: 4
Isaac: 3
Goga: 2
Moritz: 2
Cole: 2
Houstan: 2
Queen: 2
Harris: 2
CoJo: 1

Dunce Mittens (open to suggestions on this name)
Black: 9
Jett: 4
Harris: 4
KCP: 4
Da Silva: 3
Carter: 3
Paolo: 2
Goga: 2
Franz: 1
Houstan: 1
Queen: 1
Cole: 1
Suggs: 1
Isaac: 1
CoJo: 1

Total Dunce Points
Black -35
KCP -30
Paolo -26
Cole -26
Da Silva -22
Carter -14
Franz -14
Harris -11
Queen -8
Moritz -7
Jett -7
Isaac -7
Goga -6
Suggs -6
Houstan -5
CoJo -3

Vest to Dunce Net Ratio
Franz +25
Goga +17
Moritz +10
Isaac +7
Carter +4
Suggs +1
Joseph -2
Paolo -5
Houstan -5
Queen -6
Jett -6
Harris -8
Da Silva -13
KCP -15
Black -20
Cole -20
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Re: ESPN Net Points vs. Sweater Vest Voting 

Post#98 » by jezzerinho » Thu Mar 20, 2025 8:59 am

eyriq wrote:
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If we started calling Isaac a PG...he'd be the best defensive PG in the NBA.

I don't think there's a whole lot of debate about whether AB is a good defender. He's a very good defender and has great positional length and great lateral movement.

He's just not a good PG. He's MUCH more similar to KCP & Suggs in what he brings, skill-wise than a true PG. Everyone on the team can "bring the ball up"...that doesn't define a PG on any meaningful level.


As I said. When do we call it quits on the "it takes a PG a long time to develop" trope. Because right now, he has some meaninful tools in the woodshed to be the second coming of Ingles, but not really a PG.


Probably by his 4th season. Suggs got the role at 23 and probably showed enough to get a different role next season.


There are 2 different questions?

1) How long does it take a good/great college Point Guard to become a good/great NBA Point Guard?

Answer: Anything between 3 years and never. Very rare for a rookie PG to be anything better than a bottom tier NBA field general.

It took Suggs 3 years and he's only graduated to combo guard so far. Still not ready to be fulltime PnR initiator.

2) How long does it take a good/great college combo/off-ball/non-initiating Guard to become a good/great NBA Point Guard?

Answer: Very rarely happens. To have half a chance of being an NBA PG, you need to come into the league with a deep bag already, lots of reps as the PoA initiator and either top tier explosiveness to punish those going over the screen or elite craft to dribble/dish.

Black wasn't really a PG in college per se. Not in the way that he needed in order to be ready for the pros. There aren't many signs that he's going to be a great NBA one. But he can be a good combo wing type. Think better Terrence Mann or Herb Jones or Josh Hart 2.0.

Waiting and persisting with him as a PG, without addressing the position with a real starter Guard, is a fools errand.
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Post#99 » by Skybox » Thu Mar 20, 2025 12:43 pm

jezzerinho wrote:
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JoshuaPotter wrote:
As I said. When do we call it quits on the "it takes a PG a long time to develop" trope. Because right now, he has some meaninful tools in the woodshed to be the second coming of Ingles, but not really a PG.


Probably by his 4th season. Suggs got the role at 23 and probably showed enough to get a different role next season.


There are 2 different questions?

1) How long does it take a good/great college Point Guard to become a good/great NBA Point Guard?

Answer: Anything between 3 years and never. Very rare for a rookie PG to be anything better than a bottom tier NBA field general.

It took Suggs 3 years and he's only graduated to combo guard so far. Still not ready to be fulltime PnR initiator.

2) How long does it take a good/great college combo/off-ball/non-initiating Guard to become a good/great NBA Point Guard?

Answer: Very rarely happens. To have half a chance of being an NBA PG, you need to come into the league with a deep bag already, lots of reps as the PoA initiator and either top tier explosiveness to punish those going over the screen or elite craft to dribble/dish.

Black wasn't really a PG in college per se. Not in the way that he needed in order to be ready for the pros. There aren't many signs that he's going to be a great NBA one. But he can be a good combo wing type. Think better Terrence Mann or Herb Jones or Josh Hart 2.0.

Waiting and persisting with him as a PG, without addressing the position with a real starter Guard, is a fools errand.


3) How long does it take an NBA FO to realize they didn't draft a PG like they meant to, but they still have a decent player they can utilize successfully if they put him in the right role (and move off the $23m, 31yo version that's really in his way).

*all kidding aside (I really wasn't)...Westbrook is thriving in DEN as a cutter and finisher, not really a PG. DEN might be the ONLY team that can play without a real PG. AB can be a better, more versatile (longer) defender and a better 3pt shooter than Westbrook ever was. This present version of Westbrook with his trademark intensity and ferocity (not the HOF triple double king) is REALLY what AB can be - like tomorrow. Ditch the PG fantasy and play him as what he is.
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Re: ESPN Net Points vs. Sweater Vest Voting 

Post#100 » by Knightro » Sun Mar 23, 2025 8:44 pm

Knightro wrote:
eyriq wrote:AB is 4th in sweater vest points. Suggs is 7th.

You are out of touch on ABs value.


Since it's clear that ESPN's Net Points metric is the new thing eyriq is really into, I decided to do a little experiment...

I went back and looked at all 31 Magic victories this year and re-graded the Sweater Vest points purely based on that and compared it to the fan voting...

Win 1 Miami
Net Points: Paolo, Franz, Carter
Fan Voting: Paolo, Harris, Franz

Win 2 Brooklyn
Net Points: Carter, Franz, Moritz
Fan Voting: Franz, Moritz, Black

Win 3 Indiana
Net Points: Paolo, Suggs, Franz
Fan Voting: Paolo, Suggs, Black

Win 4 New Orleans
Net Points: Franz, Goga, Moritz
Fan Voting: Franz, Black, Goga

Win 5 Washington
Net Points: Franz, Black, Goga
Fan Voting: Franz, Goga, Black

Win 6 Charlotte
Net Points: Moritz, Franz, Suggs
Fan Voting: Franz, Suggs, Moritz

Win 7 Indiana
Net Points: Goga, Franz, Isaac
Fan Voting: Franz, Isaac, Black

Win 8 Philadelphia
Net Points: Franz, Moritz, Isaac
Fan Voting: Franz, Isaac, Moritz

Win 9 Phoenix
Net Points: Black, Franz, Goga
Fan Voting: Franz, Black, Goga

Win 10 LA Lakers
Net Points: Franz, Moritz, Suggs
Fan Voting: Franz, Suggs, Moritz

Win 11 Detroit
Net Points: Moritz, Franz, Harris
Fan Voting: Franz, Moritz, Isaac

Win 12 Charlotte
Net Points: Franz, Moritz, Cole
Fan Voting: Franz, Cole, Isaac

Win 13 Chicago
Net Points: KCP, Suggs, Moritz
Fan Voting: Suggs, KCP, Goga

Win 14 Brooklyn
Net Points: KCP, Franz, Goga
Fan Voting: Franz, KCP, Goga

Win 15 Brooklyn
Net Points: Goga, KCP, Carter
Fan Voting: KCP, Goga, Franz

Win 16 Philadelphia
Net Points: Isaac, Moritz, Da Silva
Fan Voting: Franz, Isaac, Suggs

Win 17 Phoenix
Net Points: Goga, Carter, Jett (!!)
Fan Voting: Goga, Suggs, Cole

Win 18 Miami - FIRST GAME WHERE FAN VOTING MATCHED NET POINTS EXACTLY
Net Points: Cole, KCP, Queen
Fan Voting: Cole, KCP, Queen

Win 19 Boston
Net Points: Carter, Da Silva, Black
Fan Voting: Queen, Da Silva, Carter

Win 20 Brooklyn
Net Points: Goga, Da Silva, Houstan (!!)
Fan Voting: Da Silva, Goga, Cole

Win 21 Toronto
Net Points: Da Silva, KCP, Isaac
Fan Voting: Da Silva, Cole, KCP

Win 22 New York
Net Points: Carter, KCP, Isaac
Fan Voting: Cole, Carter, Isaac

Win 23 Philadelphia
Net Points: Isaac, Paolo, Queen
Fan Voting: Isaac, Paolo, Cole

Win 24 Detroit
Net Points: Franz, Isaac, Suggs
Fan Voting: Franz, Paolo, Isaac

Win 25 Sacramento
Net Points: Franz, Goga, Paolo
Fan Voting: Franz, Paolo, Black

Win 26 San Antonio
Net Points: Black, Isaac, Franz
Fan Voting: Franz, Black, Isaac

Win 27 Charlotte
Net Points: Paolo, Carter, Black
Fan Voting: Black, Paolo, Carter

Win 28 Atlanta
Net Points: Carter, Paolo, Goga
Fan Voting: Paolo, Franz, Cole

Win 29 Washington
Net Points: Goga, Black, Paolo
Fan Voting: Franz, Black, Goga

Win 30 Milwaukee
Net Points: Paolo, Cole, TDS
Fan Voting: Cole, Paolo, Franz

Win 31 New Orleans - SECOND GAME WHERE FAN VOTING MATCHED NET POINTS EXACTLY
Net Points: Paolo, Franz, CoJo
Fan Voting: Paolo, Franz, CoJo

VESTS VIA NET POINTS
Franz 7
Paolo 5
Goga 5
Carter 4
Black 2
Isaac 2
KCP 2
Moritz 2
TDS 1
Cole 1
Suggs 0
Queen 0

CUMMERBUNDS VIA NET POINTS
Franz 8
Moritz 4
KCP 4
Carter 2
TDS 2
Goga 2
Isaac 2
Suggs 2
Black 2
Paolo 2
Cole 1
Harris 0

MITTENS VIA NET POINTS
Goga 4
Isaac 4
Suggs 3
Moritz 3
Paolo 2
TDS 2
Carter 2
Queen 2
Franz 2
Black 2
Harris 1
Jett 1
Houstan 1
Joseph 1
Cole 1
KCP 0

Season Standings Via Net Points (3-2-1 scale)
Franz - 39
Goga - 23
Paolo - 21
Carter - 18
Moritz - 17
Isaac - 14
KCP - 14
Black - 12
TDS - 9
Suggs - 7
Cole - 6
Queen - 2
Harris - 1
Jett - 1
Houstan - 1
Joseph - 1


Win 32 Cleveland
3 - Black
2 - Harris
1 - KCP

Win 33 Washington
3 - Paolo
2 - KCP
1 - Carter

VESTS VIA NET POINTS
Franz 7
Paolo 6
Goga 5
Carter 4
Black 3
KCP 3
Isaac 2
Moritz 2
TDS 1
Cole 1
Suggs 0
Queen 0

CUMMERBUNDS VIA NET POINTS
Franz 8
Moritz 4
KCP 4
Carter 2
TDS 2
Goga 2
Isaac 2
Suggs 2
Black 2
Paolo 2
Cole 1
Harris 1

MITTENS VIA NET POINTS
Goga 4
Isaac 4
Suggs 3
Moritz 3
Carter 3
Paolo 2
TDS 2
Queen 2
Franz 2
Black 2
Harris 1
Jett 1
Houstan 1
Joseph 1
Cole 1
KCP 1

Season Standings Via Net Points (3-2-1 scale)
Franz - 39
Paolo - 24
Goga - 23
Carter - 19
Moritz - 17
KCP - 17
Black - 15
Isaac - 14
TDS - 9
Suggs - 7
Cole - 6
Harris - 3
Queen - 2
Jett - 1
Houstan - 1
Joseph - 1

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