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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#81 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Sat Jun 14, 2025 3:31 pm

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I get why some want to make the move for Poole. He’s a scorer. He can shoot. He gets in a rhythm, he’s lighting it up. He’ll spread the floor.

Here’s where you have to question him. He takes bad shots but all scorers do. I know but still… He also turns the ball over at a high rate. That means he’s not going to make the right plays more tunes than average and will give the ball away which is a recipe for losses.
Those two issues is giving other teams extra possessions.

As of right now you have guys who can make plays but not good enough or consistent enough to be called upon when shtf. We would be fixing one problem but doubling down, wait, more than doubling down, a lot more, on that problem.

Stats tell a story but you have to ask can you win with him? GS did but can we? Our offensive issues isn’t just a shooting/scoring problem. It’s one of many.


I don’t think it’s that deep. If Poole was making half of what he’s making people would be slipping all over the floor from all the drool from their mouths.

Orlando needs playmaking - Jordan Poole provides that.

Orlando needs shooting - Jordan Poole provides that.

Orlando needs a secondary ball handler - Jordan Poole provides that.

Orlando needs another player that can take over games - Jordan Poole provides that.

Orlando needs championship experience - Jordan Poole provides that.

Orlando needs a player not on a super long contract - Jordan Poole provides that.

Orlando needs a player that is comfortable playing alongside another star - Jordan Poole provides that.

Orlando needs a PG and positional versatility - Jordan Poole provides that.

Orlando needs a player that isn’t afraid and comfortable taking the last shot - Jordan Poole provides that.

Orlando needs a player that IS FRIENDS with their franchise player and has a relationship with other players on the team - Jordan Poole provides that.


This ish isn’t rocket science, if the trade makes sense it’s a no brainer.



I didn’t say anything that resembles rocket science.

He’s not a playmaker for others. He’s a higher than average turnover player. These are facts that we must keep into account.



As is almost every single high usage offensive player in the league, let’s please keep that that into account as well.

And I will repost this for transparency:

Jordan Poole's TS% of 59.1% is 4.5% higher than the team's average TS% of 54.6%. I think this is an important metric. The better a player's teammates are, the harder it is for defenses to key in on the team's best offensive player. Being 4.5% more efficient than your teammates is very impressive if you are a high usage player. It means that even though your teammates stink and teams are selling out to guard you, you still manage to score efficiently.

So, out of curiously, I ran a screen of all the guys with a USG% of 27% or higher. There's 37 of them, so we are talking about basically the primary scoring option for each team plus a handful of top tier #2 options. I ranked them by TS% differential relative to their team's TS%.

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In this context, Jordan Poole was one of the best high usage scorers in the league. If you gave him better teammates that actually had to be guarded closely, Poole might have posted numbers closer to those of the very best scorers in the league.
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#82 » by 89Magicfan » Sat Jun 14, 2025 3:40 pm

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89Magicfan wrote:
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I don’t think it’s that deep. If Poole was making half of what he’s making people would be slipping all over the floor from all the drool from their mouths.

Orlando needs playmaking - Jordan Poole provides that.

Orlando needs shooting - Jordan Poole provides that.

Orlando needs a secondary ball handler - Jordan Poole provides that.

Orlando needs another player that can take over games - Jordan Poole provides that.

Orlando needs championship experience - Jordan Poole provides that.

Orlando needs a player not on a super long contract - Jordan Poole provides that.

Orlando needs a player that is comfortable playing alongside another star - Jordan Poole provides that.

Orlando needs a PG and positional versatility - Jordan Poole provides that.

Orlando needs a player that isn’t afraid and comfortable taking the last shot - Jordan Poole provides that.

Orlando needs a player that IS FRIENDS with their franchise player and has a relationship with other players on the team - Jordan Poole provides that.


This ish isn’t rocket science, if the trade makes sense it’s a no brainer.



I didn’t say anything that resembles rocket science.

He’s not a playmaker for others. He’s a higher than average turnover player. These are facts that we must keep into account.



As is almost every single high usage offensive player in the league, let’s please keep that that into account as well.

And I will repost this for transparency:

Jordan Poole's TS% of 59.1% is 4.5% higher than the team's average TS% of 54.6%. I think this is an important metric. The better a player's teammates are, the harder it is for defenses to key in on the team's best offensive player. Being 4.5% more efficient than your teammates is very impressive if you are a high usage player. It means that even though your teammates stink and teams are selling out to guard you, you still manage to score efficiently.

So, out of curiously, I ran a screen of all the guys with a USG% of 27% or higher. There's 37 of them, so we are talking about basically the primary scoring option for each team plus a handful of top tier #2 options. I ranked them by TS% differential relative to their team's TS%.

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In this context, Jordan Poole was one of the best high usage scorers in the league. If you gave him better teammates that actually had to be guarded closely, Poole might have posted numbers closer to those of the very best scorers in the league.



I won’t argue against his scoring ability. I’m arguing on our playmaking issues. We have two high usage players who need stability, someone that can get good quality shots for them instead of the last second kick outs that happen quite frequently. Our offense suffers from good quality shot taking.

Acquiring him would still leave us with that same problem and probably would make it worse because now you have added a player is basically a SG.

You have no one to steer this ship. None of our guys as good as they are, are that good enough to steer it enough to rely on day in day out. They can’t be called upon every possession to get good shots for others.

They aren’t Luka. They aren’t LeBron.
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#83 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Sat Jun 14, 2025 4:02 pm

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Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
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I didn’t say anything that resembles rocket science.

He’s not a playmaker for others. He’s a higher than average turnover player. These are facts that we must keep into account.



As is almost every single high usage offensive player in the league, let’s please keep that that into account as well.

And I will repost this for transparency:

Jordan Poole's TS% of 59.1% is 4.5% higher than the team's average TS% of 54.6%. I think this is an important metric. The better a player's teammates are, the harder it is for defenses to key in on the team's best offensive player. Being 4.5% more efficient than your teammates is very impressive if you are a high usage player. It means that even though your teammates stink and teams are selling out to guard you, you still manage to score efficiently.

So, out of curiously, I ran a screen of all the guys with a USG% of 27% or higher. There's 37 of them, so we are talking about basically the primary scoring option for each team plus a handful of top tier #2 options. I ranked them by TS% differential relative to their team's TS%.

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In this context, Jordan Poole was one of the best high usage scorers in the league. If you gave him better teammates that actually had to be guarded closely, Poole might have posted numbers closer to those of the very best scorers in the league.



I won’t argue against his scoring ability. I’m arguing on our playmaking issues. We have two high usage players who need stability, someone that can get good quality shots for them instead of the last second kick outs that happen quite frequently. Our offense suffers from good quality shot taking.

Acquiring him would still leave us with that same problem and probably would make it worse because now you have added a player is basically a SG.

You have no one to steer this ship. None of our guys as good as they are, are that good enough to steer it enough to rely on day in day out. They can’t be called upon every possession to get good shots for others.

They aren’t Luka. They aren’t LeBron.


You like many others here are looking for a fictional player that does not exist. I don’t mean this to sound snarky, but it’s a common theme around these parts when evaluating players.

You want a PG that can shoot efficiently, score and efficiently, play make with low turnovers that isn’t making a ton of money. I outlined literally over x20 reasons that are backed statistically and all you can say is that he’s not a high level play maker?

Furthermore, per bball index Pooles offensive role for the last 4 seasons have been “main ball handler” so you saying he’s a SG doesn’t quite add up. He has been tasked to handle the ball and subsequently play make for the last four seasons. This isn’t opinion based, it’s fact.

I agree with you that Paolo/Franz are not Luka/Lebron, but this fact alone should make you want Poole even more (not less).
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#84 » by 89Magicfan » Sat Jun 14, 2025 4:09 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
89Magicfan wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:

As is almost every single high usage offensive player in the league, let’s please keep that that into account as well.

And I will repost this for transparency:

Jordan Poole's TS% of 59.1% is 4.5% higher than the team's average TS% of 54.6%. I think this is an important metric. The better a player's teammates are, the harder it is for defenses to key in on the team's best offensive player. Being 4.5% more efficient than your teammates is very impressive if you are a high usage player. It means that even though your teammates stink and teams are selling out to guard you, you still manage to score efficiently.

So, out of curiously, I ran a screen of all the guys with a USG% of 27% or higher. There's 37 of them, so we are talking about basically the primary scoring option for each team plus a handful of top tier #2 options. I ranked them by TS% differential relative to their team's TS%.

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In this context, Jordan Poole was one of the best high usage scorers in the league. If you gave him better teammates that actually had to be guarded closely, Poole might have posted numbers closer to those of the very best scorers in the league.



I won’t argue against his scoring ability. I’m arguing on our playmaking issues. We have two high usage players who need stability, someone that can get good quality shots for them instead of the last second kick outs that happen quite frequently. Our offense suffers from good quality shot taking.

Acquiring him would still leave us with that same problem and probably would make it worse because now you have added a player is basically a SG.

You have no one to steer this ship. None of our guys as good as they are, are that good enough to steer it enough to rely on day in day out. They can’t be called upon every possession to get good shots for others.

They aren’t Luka. They aren’t LeBron.


You like many others here are looking for a fictional player that does not exist. I don’t mean this to sound snarky, but it’s a common theme around these parts when evaluating players.

You want a PG that can shoot efficiently, score and efficiently, play make with low turnovers that isn’t making a ton of money. I outlined literally over x20 reasons that are backed statistically and all you can say is that he’s not a high level play maker?

Furthermore, per bball index Pooles offensive role for the last 4 seasons have been “main ball handler” so you saying he’s a SG doesn’t quite add up. He has been tasked to handle the ball and subsequently play make for the last four seasons. This isn’t opinion based, it’s fact.

I agree with you that Paolo/Franz are not Luka/Lebron, but this fact alone should make you want Poole even more (not less).


Dude CoJo came in and brought our net rating up considerably and brought our offense up.

We don’t necessarily, as good as it would be, need an all star PG. We just need someone who can yes shoot the ball, who will shoot the ball, and steer this ship when the offense bogs down.

I don’t care what the index says. He’s a main ball handler on a losing team with an above average turnover rate. You can hide his issues on a team that has the stability already there. You can’t add him to a team desperately thirsty for it and expect it to just voila work itself out.

They are out there it’s just up to this FO to pull their head out of their asses and go find it, and go get it.

Boston did it with White. No more excuses. No more settling.
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#85 » by mattdelray1220 » Sat Jun 14, 2025 4:44 pm

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Most people are down on AB but I feel like we are going to see a nice jump from him yr 3.


Facts.

AB just put up ~10/3/3 in year two and was arguably our 4th best player in the playoffs. A starting role is coming — and soon.



He is our 5/6th scoring option. All he needs to do is shoot 34% from 3 and he will be a problem. Elite defense. I don't get how people are so low on him. I understand he has games where he disappears, but he is 21. 12/4/4/2/1 is in his very near future. Fans will be begging for more AB on the court this season. I can see it now... "Should AB be starting?" thread before the ASG. You're the only one who sees it which is wild. Also, something nobody ever talks about with him, and I get it only 2 years but he's available. 78 games last year.

I think other teams have been including him in most trade scenarios with us and the organization has made it clear he's not available. Unless it's an all-in move like Maxey, Trae or maybe Murphy I do not see us trading AB and I'll be here when the fans apologize to you for be so so wrong about AB.

I have been debating which jersey I am getting this year and writing this made up my mind. White AB jersey for the home opener. Paolo Jordans on. Go MAGIC!
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Post#86 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Sat Jun 14, 2025 5:09 pm

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Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
89Magicfan wrote:

I won’t argue against his scoring ability. I’m arguing on our playmaking issues. We have two high usage players who need stability, someone that can get good quality shots for them instead of the last second kick outs that happen quite frequently. Our offense suffers from good quality shot taking.

Acquiring him would still leave us with that same problem and probably would make it worse because now you have added a player is basically a SG.

You have no one to steer this ship. None of our guys as good as they are, are that good enough to steer it enough to rely on day in day out. They can’t be called upon every possession to get good shots for others.

They aren’t Luka. They aren’t LeBron.


You like many others here are looking for a fictional player that does not exist. I don’t mean this to sound snarky, but it’s a common theme around these parts when evaluating players.

You want a PG that can shoot efficiently, score and efficiently, play make with low turnovers that isn’t making a ton of money. I outlined literally over x20 reasons that are backed statistically and all you can say is that he’s not a high level play maker?

Furthermore, per bball index Pooles offensive role for the last 4 seasons have been “main ball handler” so you saying he’s a SG doesn’t quite add up. He has been tasked to handle the ball and subsequently play make for the last four seasons. This isn’t opinion based, it’s fact.

I agree with you that Paolo/Franz are not Luka/Lebron, but this fact alone should make you want Poole even more (not less).


Dude CoJo came in and brought our net rating up considerably and brought our offense up.

We don’t necessarily, as good as it would be, need an all star PG. We just need someone who can yes shoot the ball, who will shoot the ball, and steer this ship when the offense bogs down.

I don’t care what the index says. He’s a main ball handler on a losing team with an above average turnover rate. You can hide his issues on a team that has the stability already there. You can’t add him to a team desperately thirsty for it and expect it to just voila work itself out.

They are out there it’s just up to this FO to pull their head out of their asses and go find it, and go get it.

Boston did it with White. No more excuses. No more settling.


I hear you. We’re typically on the same wavelength regarding playmaking and team needs.

We prefer players like Reaves/White to Monk/C White/Sexton/Simons kind of combo guards.

And I want to be clear, I’m not advocating Poole or bust or not saying that he doesn’t come with his own risks but just highlighting many misconceptions of him and his production.

Lastly, I want to note that both Paolo AND Weltman publicly stated they need “proven offensive talent”.

Regardless of your position, I think Poole fits that narrative more than just “someone who can shoot the ball, who will shoot the ball, and steer this ship when the offense bogs down”.

I think at minimum you should agree with that.
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Post#87 » by Knightro » Sat Jun 14, 2025 5:14 pm

VFX wrote:The deal would have to be either

Isaac + Cole for Poole + filler
KCP + Cole for Poole + filler

Obviously this would be prior to the draft or during. Isaac’s contract is $25m before early July.

Moving KCP imo is the better roster balance if Orlando can still add NAW.

I’m not high on Poole, but his skillset makes more sense with the current iteration of the roster more than KCPs. I feel like I have to add that disclaimer in all Poole party talk.


This isn't a thing fwiw. Isaac's contract is worth $15M for trade purposes, not $25M.
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#88 » by 89Magicfan » Sat Jun 14, 2025 5:16 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
89Magicfan wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
You like many others here are looking for a fictional player that does not exist. I don’t mean this to sound snarky, but it’s a common theme around these parts when evaluating players.

You want a PG that can shoot efficiently, score and efficiently, play make with low turnovers that isn’t making a ton of money. I outlined literally over x20 reasons that are backed statistically and all you can say is that he’s not a high level play maker?

Furthermore, per bball index Pooles offensive role for the last 4 seasons have been “main ball handler” so you saying he’s a SG doesn’t quite add up. He has been tasked to handle the ball and subsequently play make for the last four seasons. This isn’t opinion based, it’s fact.

I agree with you that Paolo/Franz are not Luka/Lebron, but this fact alone should make you want Poole even more (not less).


Dude CoJo came in and brought our net rating up considerably and brought our offense up.

We don’t necessarily, as good as it would be, need an all star PG. We just need someone who can yes shoot the ball, who will shoot the ball, and steer this ship when the offense bogs down.

I don’t care what the index says. He’s a main ball handler on a losing team with an above average turnover rate. You can hide his issues on a team that has the stability already there. You can’t add him to a team desperately thirsty for it and expect it to just voila work itself out.

They are out there it’s just up to this FO to pull their head out of their asses and go find it, and go get it.

Boston did it with White. No more excuses. No more settling.


I hear you. We’re typically on the same wavelength regarding playmaking and team needs.

We prefer players like Reaves/White to Monk/C White/Sexton/Simons kind of combo guards.

And I want to be clear, I’m not advocating Poole or bust or not saying that he doesn’t come with his own risks but just highlighting many misconceptions of him and his production.

Lastly, I want to note that both Paolo AND Weltman publicly stated they need “proven offensive talent”.

Regardless of your position, I think Poole fits that narrative more than just “someone who can shoot the ball, who will shoot the ball, and steer this ship when the offense bogs down”.

I think at minimum you should agree with that.



No Paolo specifically said we need a PG.


Yeah we need someone who can shoot the ball but we need someone who can provide those shots efficiently and correctly. That’s one of the biggest issues with our offense.
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Post#89 » by VFX » Sat Jun 14, 2025 5:19 pm

Knightro wrote:
VFX wrote:The deal would have to be either

Isaac + Cole for Poole + filler
KCP + Cole for Poole + filler

Obviously this would be prior to the draft or during. Isaac’s contract is $25m before early July.

Moving KCP imo is the better roster balance if Orlando can still add NAW.

I’m not high on Poole, but his skillset makes more sense with the current iteration of the roster more than KCPs. I feel like I have to add that disclaimer in all Poole party talk.


This isn't a thing fwiw. Isaac's contract is worth $15M for trade purposes, not $25M.


Ok, but at what point does that happen? Doesn’t it kick in at the end of the season or is it now $15m? Isn’t he technically $25 until July?

Or are you just saying it doesn’t apply to a teams cap as $25m heading into next season.
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Post#90 » by Knightro » Sat Jun 14, 2025 5:29 pm

VFX wrote:Ok, but at what point does that happen? Doesn’t it kick in at the end of the season or is it now $15m? Isn’t he technically $25 until July?

Or are you just saying it doesn’t apply to a teams cap as $25m heading into next season.


From the CBA...

"With respect to the assignment of Player Contracts occurring during the period from the day following the last day of a Regular Season through June 30 of that Salary Cap Year, a Traded Player’s Salary will equal the lesser of:
(x) the player’s Salary for the current Salary Cap Year; and
(y) the player’s Salary for the subsequent Salary Cap Year reduced by the amount of the player’s unearned Base Compensation for the subsequent Salary Cap Year that, at the time of the trade, is not fully protected for lack of skill and injury or illness"

If I am translating this correctly, Isaac's salary counts as $15M for trade purposes regardless of when he is traded (before July 1 or not), not $25M.
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Post#91 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Sat Jun 14, 2025 5:29 pm

89Magicfan wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
89Magicfan wrote:
Dude CoJo came in and brought our net rating up considerably and brought our offense up.

We don’t necessarily, as good as it would be, need an all star PG. We just need someone who can yes shoot the ball, who will shoot the ball, and steer this ship when the offense bogs down.

I don’t care what the index says. He’s a main ball handler on a losing team with an above average turnover rate. You can hide his issues on a team that has the stability already there. You can’t add him to a team desperately thirsty for it and expect it to just voila work itself out.

They are out there it’s just up to this FO to pull their head out of their asses and go find it, and go get it.

Boston did it with White. No more excuses. No more settling.


I hear you. We’re typically on the same wavelength regarding playmaking and team needs.

We prefer players like Reaves/White to Monk/C White/Sexton/Simons kind of combo guards.

And I want to be clear, I’m not advocating Poole or bust or not saying that he doesn’t come with his own risks but just highlighting many misconceptions of him and his production.

Lastly, I want to note that both Paolo AND Weltman publicly stated they need “proven offensive talent”.

Regardless of your position, I think Poole fits that narrative more than just “someone who can shoot the ball, who will shoot the ball, and steer this ship when the offense bogs down”.

I think at minimum you should agree with that.



No Paolo specifically said we need a PG.


Yeah we need someone who can shoot the ball but we need someone who can provide those shots efficiently and correctly. That’s one of the biggest issues with our offense.


No, last year he said we need a PG.

In his latest interview with Ryan Clark he blatantly stated we need to go get some help for the playoffs. He doesn’t mean defensively or a younger Cojo :lol:

The president of our team said they will pursue proven offensive talent.

Believe what you want, you’re entitled to that but in the eyes of our franchise player, president and having one of the worst offenses in NBA HISTORY I think the needs are quite clear.
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Post#92 » by 89Magicfan » Sat Jun 14, 2025 5:41 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
89Magicfan wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
I hear you. We’re typically on the same wavelength regarding playmaking and team needs.

We prefer players like Reaves/White to Monk/C White/Sexton/Simons kind of combo guards.

And I want to be clear, I’m not advocating Poole or bust or not saying that he doesn’t come with his own risks but just highlighting many misconceptions of him and his production.

Lastly, I want to note that both Paolo AND Weltman publicly stated they need “proven offensive talent”.

Regardless of your position, I think Poole fits that narrative more than just “someone who can shoot the ball, who will shoot the ball, and steer this ship when the offense bogs down”.

I think at minimum you should agree with that.



No Paolo specifically said we need a PG.


Yeah we need someone who can shoot the ball but we need someone who can provide those shots efficiently and correctly. That’s one of the biggest issues with our offense.


No, last year he said we need a PG.

In his latest interview with Ryan Clark he blatantly stated we need to go get some help for the playoffs. He doesn’t mean defensively or a younger Cojo :lol:

The president of our team said they will pursue proven offensive talent.

Believe what you want, you’re entitled to that but in the eyes of our franchise player, president and having one of the worst offenses in NBA HISTORY I think the needs are quite clear.


lol He said specifically last year a PG. Nothing changed. Our issues are still the same.
Him saying we need help doesn’t say we don’t need a PG a year later.
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Post#93 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Sat Jun 14, 2025 5:53 pm

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Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
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No Paolo specifically said we need a PG.


Yeah we need someone who can shoot the ball but we need someone who can provide those shots efficiently and correctly. That’s one of the biggest issues with our offense.


No, last year he said we need a PG.

In his latest interview with Ryan Clark he blatantly stated we need to go get some help for the playoffs. He doesn’t mean defensively or a younger Cojo :lol:

The president of our team said they will pursue proven offensive talent.

Believe what you want, you’re entitled to that but in the eyes of our franchise player, president and having one of the worst offenses in NBA HISTORY I think the needs are quite clear.


lol He said specifically last year a PG. Nothing changed. Our issues are still the same.
Him saying we need help doesn’t say we don’t need a PG a year later.


And your argument is that Poole isn’t a “PG” despite him running the offense for the last four seasons as a “PG” and despite advanced metrics saying his offensive role was one of a traditional “PG”.

Got it.
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Post#94 » by Airgordon00 » Sat Jun 14, 2025 5:54 pm

This is not the sexiest of trades but could definitely help our bench unit.

Magic get Grayson Allen and Royce O’Neal.

Suns get Cole Anthony, Goga Bitazde and Jett Howard.

Suggs/Black/Cojo
KCP/Allen
Franz/O'Neal
Paolo/JI/TDS
WCJ/Moe

Then use 16 and 25 to get best player available. Not saying I love it but probably the type of move we should expect with our current front office.
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Post#95 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Sat Jun 14, 2025 5:57 pm

Airgordon00 wrote:This is not the sexiest of trades but could definitely help our bench unit.

Magic get Grayson Allen and Royce O’Neal.

Suns get Cole Anthony, Goga Bitazde and Jett Howard.

Suggs/Black/Cojo
KCP/Allen
Franz/O'Neal
Paolo/TDS
WCJ/Moe

Then use 16 and 25 to get best player available. Not saying I love it but probably the type of move we should expect with our current front office.


It’s a fine trade, would help a lot. However, I genuinely dont think Orlando can go into next season without a significant SL change in the backcourt after being publicly humiliated by national media for having one of the worst offenses in NBA history.

This helps with shooting, but still lack playmaking/scoring.
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#96 » by 89Magicfan » Sat Jun 14, 2025 5:59 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
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Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
No, last year he said we need a PG.

In his latest interview with Ryan Clark he blatantly stated we need to go get some help for the playoffs. He doesn’t mean defensively or a younger Cojo :lol:

The president of our team said they will pursue proven offensive talent.

Believe what you want, you’re entitled to that but in the eyes of our franchise player, president and having one of the worst offenses in NBA HISTORY I think the needs are quite clear.


lol He said specifically last year a PG. Nothing changed. Our issues are still the same.
Him saying we need help doesn’t say we don’t need a PG a year later.


And your argument is that Poole isn’t a “PG” despite him running the offense for the last four seasons as a “PG” and despite advanced metrics saying his offensive role was one of a traditional “PG”.

Got it.



He was a PG by default not by strength. They literally had no other option.

The metrics say he’s a scorer not an efficient distributor or a positive one. You think he’s going to solve our efficiency problems despite that.
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#97 » by mattdelray1220 » Sat Jun 14, 2025 6:04 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
Airgordon00 wrote:This is not the sexiest of trades but could definitely help our bench unit.

Magic get Grayson Allen and Royce O’Neal.

Suns get Cole Anthony, Goga Bitazde and Jett Howard.

Suggs/Black/Cojo
KCP/Allen
Franz/O'Neal
Paolo/TDS
WCJ/Moe

Then use 16 and 25 to get best player available. Not saying I love it but probably the type of move we should expect with our current front office.


It’s a fine trade, would help a lot. However, I genuinely dont think Orlando can go into next season without a significant SL change in the backcourt after being publicly humiliated by national media for having one of the worst offenses in NBA history.

This helps with shooting, but still lack playmaking/scoring.


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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#98 » by Airgordon00 » Sat Jun 14, 2025 6:06 pm

mattdelray1220 wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
Airgordon00 wrote:This is not the sexiest of trades but could definitely help our bench unit.

Magic get Grayson Allen and Royce O’Neal.

Suns get Cole Anthony, Goga Bitazde and Jett Howard.

Suggs/Black/Cojo
KCP/Allen
Franz/O'Neal
Paolo/TDS
WCJ/Moe

Then use 16 and 25 to get best player available. Not saying I love it but probably the type of move we should expect with our current front office.


It’s a fine trade, would help a lot. However, I genuinely dont think Orlando can go into next season without a significant SL change in the backcourt after being publicly humiliated by national media for having one of the worst offenses in NBA history.

This helps with shooting, but still lack playmaking/scoring.


JI?

My bad! I just edited it.
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#99 » by BadMofoPimp » Sat Jun 14, 2025 6:07 pm

Just NO to a boneheaded low BBIQ player like Poole. Don't ruin this team and cap room paying $30 mil for a dunce. Would rather keep KCP than waste assets for Poole. Every fan that wants him would hate him with passion within 3 months.
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#100 » by yoyojw17 » Sat Jun 14, 2025 6:15 pm

89Magicfan wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
89Magicfan wrote:
lol He said specifically last year a PG. Nothing changed. Our issues are still the same.
Him saying we need help doesn’t say we don’t need a PG a year later.


And your argument is that Poole isn’t a “PG” despite him running the offense for the last four seasons as a “PG” and despite advanced metrics saying his offensive role was one of a traditional “PG”.

Got it.



He was a PG by default not by strength. They literally had no other option.

The metrics say he’s a scorer not an efficient distributor or a positive one. You think he’s going to solve our efficiency problems despite that.

And to me ... A player who is able to run it by default is all we need. And not a ball dominant point guard. Now... Our offensive scheme as a team needs maturing. Can't just be coming down and having Paolo and Franz attacking defenses from the getgo over and over again. Get the defense off balance with ball movement.... Find the better shot. But the best part about forcing the ball into their hands last season.... Showed that they are "THEM". They are our alphas. And even in a ball movement heavy scheme.... The ball will return to their hands more often than not because .... They have the advantage in most cases.

Poole becoming a clear 3rd .... Or even 4th option will most likely take away a lot of the concerns that I would have had if he was had came in with the more green version of this team. We have our identity.... We have our stars .... And success would be much easier than his recent years

Maybe I'm wrong in thinking this way... But playmaking to me also just includes that person that you can say.... Go make something happen.... Here's the ball. Whether that ends in them scoring ... Or making a play for another. And that I think poole could definitely fill in as.

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