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Post#81 » by aleZ » Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:10 pm

maginno wrote: this is the crowd that says that a player being temporarily injured proves you won a trade. I'd be worried if you thought i was smart.



I really think you're smart and one of the best posters around here, doesn't matter if you value my opinion or not. You've built yourself this "hating" character that enjoys going against the whole board, prolly cuz you spent (before joining the forum) whole years reading Richboy's posts and you wanted a piece of the action.

As for the trade, currently the magic have gained a little edge on LA, but time will tell. I honestly don't understand why you always need to come in and give lessons to everybody to show why they're wrong about everything. But hey, I guess it's your hobby or something like that.
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Post#82 » by MagicalMan » Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:14 pm

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I really think you're smart and one of the best posters around here, doesn't matter if you value my opinion or not. You've built yourself this "hating" character that enjoys going against the whole board, prolly cuz you spent (before joining the forum) whole years reading Richboy's posts and you wanted a piece of the action.

As for the trade, currently the magic have gained a little edge on LA, but time will tell. I honestly don't understand why you always need to come in and give lessons to everybody to show why they're wrong about everything. But hey, I guess it's your hobby or something like that.


I agree with you. Except id say the "hating" has more to do with the enjoyment of watching others get upset. He likes to frustrate/anger people and an internet forum is a good place to do that (since theres no risk involved).
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Post#83 » by maginno » Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:30 pm

aleZ wrote: You've built yourself this "hating" character that enjoys going against the whole board, prolly cuz you spent (before joining the forum) whole years reading Richboy's posts and you wanted a piece of the action.


Ignoring the idea that I spent year s reading some forum without responding like I said I have found you intelligent. The me against the board thing really only came about when I questioned Otis moves. its then the censors came out and its been bliss ever since. I was told to STFU and other assorted things. People would claim they heard enough. I'd say fine fair enough lets all just drop the Rashard issue and then they'd start new thread trying to push the same thing and basically tell me I shouldnt be posting a difference of opinion in those threads. Don't think you'll care either way but thats how this me against the board thing started . I don't see anywhere in GMS TOS that I have to let any board members squelch a difference of opinion no matter what they dress it up as. I'm not against the board with Dwight, my team. even like JJ , Arroyo (who many of you don't like) and gaining some affection for Gortat. When it comes to Otis moves. Bleh. thats where 96% of the disagreement s come from

I honestly don't understand why you always need to come in and give lessons to everybody to show why they're wrong about everything. But hey, I guess it's your hobby or something like that.


Well by that rationale the Op and others were trying to give lessons to show how everyone else was wrong about the trade. all based on an injury. there s no functional difference between claiming I am stating what I see as facts and sound logic on the issue and what you choose to characterize as "me giving lessons". It s just an attempt to characterize my expressing my opinion as illegitimate behaviour on a free board.

Sorry but when I hear someone condemning people for comparing people to cockcroaches you will all gain a considerable amount of credibility. Right now I have no reason to find any of you credible in questioning my "hobbies".
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Post#84 » by maginno » Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:44 pm

MagicalMan wrote: He likes to frustrate/anger people and an internet forum is a good place to do that (since theres no risk involved).


You may be able to take some psychology classes over the internet but trust me you can't read peoples minds or know them by reading a board. One of these days I'll be at a game and one of you will be sitting nearby and you know what? We'll both think each other is cool for supporting the same team. All you get on boards is discussion on subjects and that s all you can look at and disagree on and get heated on.

You'll probably say I am just saying this but so what? when do I ever care what you say but the truth is we'd probably get on real well if we met Offline. Communication has so much more than disagreeing over issue on a board.

Now you would probably look at me strange if I yelled out "Otis you suck" at the game (wouldn't do it either though) but I'd smile you'd roll your eyes and laugh and we'd go back to cheering for the team. Thats in real life. Here? Nother matter.

At any rate you'll all be shocked when playoffs begin. NO criticism even of Otis. The real season begins. After? If we get our rear ends handed to us? Unmm. you'll be able to go back to questioning my status as a Magic fan.
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Post#85 » by MagicalMan » Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:31 pm

maginno wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



You may be able to take some psychology classes over the internet but trust me you can't read peoples minds or know them by reading a board. One of these days I'll be at a game and one of you will be sitting nearby and you know what? We'll both think each other is cool for supporting the same team. All you get on boards is discussion on subjects and that s all you can look at and disagree on and get heated on.

You'll probably say I am just saying this but so what? when do I ever care what you say but the truth is we'd probably get on real well if we met Offline. Communication has so much more than disagreeing over issue on a board.

Now you would probably look at me strange if I yelled out "Otis you suck" at the game (wouldn't do it either though) but I'd smile you'd roll your eyes and laugh and we'd go back to cheering for the team. Thats in real life. Here? Nother matter.

At any rate you'll all be shocked when playoffs begin. NO criticism even of Otis. The real season begins. After? If we get our rear ends handed to us? Unmm. you'll be able to go back to questioning my status as a Magic fan.


Sorry I should have put "in my opinion" before my last post. I could've saved you the time of making that post, because that is my honest opinion formed through reading how you talk to people. I would also venture to say that others share the same opinion, so I voiced it. But nonetheless its an opinion and were each entitled to our own.

And please dont take this the wrong way but I do have a degree in Psychology and worked in counseling/mental health for years. I was actually pursuing my MA in counseling before burning out (I decided that I wouldn't be happy working in the field for the rest of my career). So I do actually have some experience in this area. However, you dont really need to know anything about psychology to recognize that you like to push peoples buttons. Once again this is just my opinion.

As for the fan portion of your post I agree with it. At the end of the day we are both Magic fans, we just measure the teams success differently.
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Post#86 » by maginno » Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:10 pm

And please dont take this the wrong way but I do have a degree in Psychology and worked in counseling/mental health for years. I was actually pursuing my MA in counseling before burning out (I decided that I wouldn't be happy working in the field for the rest of my career). So I do actually have some experience in this area.


Good believe it or not so do I. Double major here myself Glad to see someone with similar interests but I will have to take issue with your approach here. One of the first things they taught us is that a diagnosis is only as good as your consult with the client. I don't know any professional who believes that he can properly assess a client over an internet forum. For that matter I don't know of any peers who drop their professional approach in their personal opinions.

So its probably best to put the mutual credential aside because professionally its perfectly clear this an insufficient approach and as you state merely an opinion that draws from your lay side (hey we all have them just should reign them in from time to time). You really aren't in any position professionally or otherwise to read minds or state what my motivations are they way you did. I genuinely hold the views I do and I suppose yes given the kinds of things I see here I don't butter things up very much. So you are off. There is an enjoyment in stating my positions and yes maybe in answering people who get kind of nasty themselves but just to tick people off - wrong.

So Its probably also best that you no longer work in the field. I myself left it when other opportunities opened up but it s really not the kind of profession you burn out from if you keep the people you help in focus. Theres nothing wrong with the field just how you approach it to be happy doing it.
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Post#87 » by damo[23] » Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:32 pm

Yup way to keep it on track, psychology and professional advice?

I do not want to single people out, but seriously it is coming down to one person as the x factor in these little side tracks.

2nd thread warning in as many pages.

Seriously; its not hard, just talk about the matter at hand; or people's points, not ways in which you can belittle them without actually touching their views.
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Post#88 » by maginno » Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:04 pm

damo[23] wrote:
I do not want to single people out, but seriously it is coming down to one person as the x factor in these little side tracks.



I have yet to hear a word about comparing people to roaches Damo. Thats one of the little side tracks which went on a page. Do you hold the same person responsible for objecting to that? As a moderator certainly you can give direction on everyone without being selective and there is no stretch in saying that in the ENTIRE thread that is the most offensive statement but your statement above would pin that too on the same unnamed person who you claim you are not picking on.

That of course and ignoring that the "one person" was responding to another persons character assassination about what makes that "one person" happy. Umm 1+1 is two isn't it?
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Post#89 » by BassMaster » Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:19 pm

maginno wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



I have yet to hear a word about comparing people to roaches Damo. Thats one of the little side tracks which went on a page. Do you hold the same person responsible for objecting to that? As a moderator certainly you can give direction on everyone without being selective and there is no stretch in saying that in the ENTIRE thread that is the most offensive statement but your statement above would pin that too on the same unnamed person who you claim you are not picking on.

That of course and ignoring that the "one person" was responding to another persons character assassination about what makes that "one person" happy. Umm 1+1 is two isn't it?


maginno I love how you say well that has been discussed so it is not worth discussing anymore.
Well guess what you are not the main person here and you seem to rarely discuss what the topic is about it has to be all about you.
Well guess what you are not the center of the univerise and the other people who post here seem to disagree with everything that you have posted and I agree with them not you, but that shouldn't not surprise you.
You saying that something has already been discussed and that is the end of the subject is .....................

Now to the subject Ariza deal has helped Otis Smith with the people that count and (no that is not the people who pay for season tickets nor us who post on the boards) that is with the owners. They see two players as in Evans and Cook who have been a great addition to the team while Ariza sits in street clothes because he is injured yet again.
That is why this trade is great not just good for Smith.
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Post#90 » by maginno » Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:28 pm

They see two players as in Evans and Cook who have been a great addition to the team while Ariza sits in street clothes because he is injured yet again.


I don't see anyone in the Magic management saying that we won any trade because Ariza is injured. So my observation originally made AND ENTIRELY ON SUBJECT OF THIS THREAD is that having a player injured temporarily will never logically hold water as a basis for winning a trade. So all of the "side tracks" of objecting and attacking a different point of view can continue. It won't change that that makes no sense.
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Post#91 » by MagicalMan » Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:30 pm

maginno wrote:
And please dont take this the wrong way but I do have a degree in Psychology and worked in counseling/mental health for years. I was actually pursuing my MA in counseling before burning out (I decided that I wouldn't be happy working in the field for the rest of my career). So I do actually have some experience in this area.


Good believe it or not so do I. Double major here myself Glad to see someone with similar interests but I will have to take issue with your approach here. One of the first things they taught us is that a diagnosis is only as good as your consult with the client. I don't know any professional who believes that he can properly assess a client over an internet forum. For that matter I don't know of any peers who drop their professional approach in their personal opinions.

So its probably best to put the mutual credential aside because professionally its perfectly clear this an insufficient approach and as you state merely an opinion that draws from your lay side (hey we all have them just should reign them in from time to time). You really aren't in any position professionally or otherwise to read minds or state what my motivations are they way you did. I genuinely hold the views I do and I suppose yes given the kinds of things I see here I don't butter things up very much. So you are off. There is an enjoyment in stating my positions and yes maybe in answering people who get kind of nasty themselves but just to tick people off - wrong.

So Its probably best that you no longer work in the field. I myself left it when other opportunities opened up but it s really not the kind of profession you burn out from if you keep the people you help in focus. Theres nothing wrong with the field just how you approach it to be happy doing it.


I would never attempt to make a diagnosis over the internet. I never even hinted at a diagnosis as 1) im not licensed and 2) im not Dr. Phil. Making a blanket statement regarding your interpersonal interactions is hardly a diagnosis, but you should already know that being so well versed in psychology ( btw I don't know where you studied but most undergraduate programs focus on psychology as a topic of academic research, the notion that you studied enough clinical psychology to suggest that I shouldn't work in the field is a little puzzling).

However, I am human being and I do formulate opinions guided by my past experiences. Ive never used professional opinion anywhere, because I am not a mental health professional. My opinion is based off of your interactions with people here. I often perceive the tone of your posts as narcissistic and condescending (im only making observations here not a diagnosis, I don't have the DSM next to me). Case in point is in your passive aggressive reply, where you attempt to take the high ground while subtlety taking low blows and attacking my creditability.

But once again this is only my opinion, and its a safe bet others hold similar opinions. Does that make it fact? Of course not. But if you are free to express your opinions, then I can do the same right? You dont have to like it, after all I only interjected with a response to Alez, not to you.

In the end none of what I communicate to you here matters, because you will only hear what you want. You obviously have me at disadvantage here because you can retort anything on an internet forum. So I will just leave this as it is.

Back on topic Cook and Evans contributions > Ariza's. So in the short term the Magic got the better end of the deal. Long term is anyones guess so its hard to argue from any position other than the Magic winning in this trade. Unless of course someone knows the future.
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Post#92 » by MagicalMan » Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:31 pm

damo[23] wrote:Yup way to keep it on track, psychology and professional advice?

I do not want to single people out, but seriously it is coming down to one person as the x factor in these little side tracks.

2nd thread warning in as many pages.

Seriously; its not hard, just talk about the matter at hand; or people's points, not ways in which you can belittle them without actually touching their views.


My apologies. Ill try keep my posts on topic.
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Post#93 » by BassMaster » Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:40 pm

maginno wrote:
They see two players as in Evans and Cook who have been a great addition to the team while Ariza sits in street clothes because he is injured yet again.


I don't see anyone in the Magic management saying that we won any trade because Ariza is injured. So my observation originally made AND ENTIRELY ON SUBJECT OF THIS THREAD is that having a player injured temporarily will never logically hold water as a basis for winning a trade. So all of the "side tracks" of objecting and attacking a different point of view can continue. It won't change that that makes no sense.


I see the owners that are happy with the trade because they have two players actually adding value to the team, while the one player traded is not adding any value to the team that he was traded to. And this has been a consistent fact year after year, injuries after more injuries. Ariza has had a lot of injuries in the foot area that should have concerned any team as it did the Magic and rightfully so he was traded and the Magic are seeing the benefit from that trade.
So you are not happy with the trade nor are you happy with Otis well your opinion such as it is does not count with the owners. Which makes me very happy.
Ariza and injuries is never temporary it seems to be a fixture of his year after year. And not once have those injuries kept him on the bench for a short time. In fact each time it has been a long time. This time about half of the season and the Lakers most likely will not see him until next year. And then what new injuries will they see time will tell.

So your saying that it doesn't make any sense to talk about this or that is totally worthless to this topic. Or that it has already been discussed so that subject doesn't need to be discussed anymore is also worthless to this topic, but then you already know that.
I do love how you pick and chose to say it's been discussed without talking about the other points being brought up.
Well at least there are other people here who are willing to discuss these points and more.
So please if you don't want to read my posts don't I don't need to read anymore babble from you since it is never on topic.
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Post#94 » by maginno » Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:55 pm

MagicalMan wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



My apologies. Ill try keep my posts on topic.


Magicalman we both were in that conversation so it would be the two of us on the issue of psychology. Damo was VERY clear in his desire to singling out "one person". His words not mine. Appreciate you stepping up there. I do. But to be extremely diplomatic I'm not sure it was directed at you. :rofl:


I've said that I don't post just to tick people off as you directly stated as a fact. When you claim a background in psychology after making a statement like that it does nothing but backup the accusation whether you meant to or not. Who wants to believe what they want is up to them.
So on topic. I just really think that the idea we win a trade because a player is temporarily injured is a REALLY illogical statement and doesn't reflect good thinking at all.

Next year it might make more sense but 6months in.? nope.
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Post#95 » by mhectorgato » Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:03 pm

maginno wrote:Next year it might make more sense but 6months in.? nope.


Because production from 1 sporadically used player > 2 rotation players.

Common sense.


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Post#96 » by damo[23] » Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:04 pm

Are you purposefully trying to test me maginno?

Baiting is against the TOS, so is side tracking threads and back seat modding. That is 3 violations just since I've entered this thread.

I was talking to many posters, mhec knows the score when I come into a thread like this, I've spoken to Glyde privatly and MagicalMan has apolagised publically.

This just leaves you. What do you do? Show any remorse for side tracking a thread that I've given you TWO seperate chances to sort yourself out. YET NO. You 3 times show that you are willing to break my advice and post your little back handed responses.

This is a public warning.
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Post#97 » by maginno » Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:06 pm

So you are not happy with the trade nor are you happy with Otis well your opinion such as it is does not count with the owners. Which makes me very happy.


Happy that you are happy. I'm pretty happy too that the owners, management and players aren't making the argument that this thread is attempting unsuccessfully to make. Personally I think the fact that every time a former players injury is brought up its to make a case for winning a trade isn't very classy to begin with. This was player that we were cheering for last year.

Since you are newer to the board and might not know - there is an ignore function you can use. No one need read anything they don't want to. I don't find your logic even remotely compelling and theres nothng more to respond to but if you don't want to read my point of view you can use the ignore function.
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Post#98 » by BassMaster » Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:14 pm

MagicalMan I find that most of your posts are on topic which is refreshing. That you were driven off topic by a certain poster is understandable since he wants everyone to bast in his oh so lowly glory.
After posting a great deal at Topix it is refreshing to find so many who stay on topic (except for one lurker) if you go to Topix the Carlos posters will drive you nuts.
Now back to this topic,
Ariza injuries seem to be a on again on again problem for him. He did play last year and played well then once again he disappeared with another injury.
With the Lakers who actually started and then he of course had an injury in the same area.
If he ever stayed healthy he could be great, but that seems to be mute with his constant injuries. He is like another Grant Hill, but he has never had a break out year because he cannot stay healthy and that is a very good reason to trade him which Otis did and the Magic are doing well with that trade. The Lakers are in holding pattern which does not surprise people who have followed Trevor.
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Post#99 » by maginno » Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:29 pm

damo[23] wrote:Are you purposefully trying to test me maginno?

Baiting is against the TOS,


I never baited anyone. and your implying that I am purposefully testing you are false. I asked for a public clarification of a name that was hurled at me because all the communication to me has been public So I wouldn't think you would want a personal and private PM.

If you prefer me to PM you the question I have no problem doing so. And yes my posts have endeavored to stay on track. I would be and am perfectly happy to stay on track expressing my opinion on this subject without personal attacks from other members so Moderation is not only accepted. its welcome.
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Post#100 » by damo[23] » Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:35 pm

If thats your attempt at a apology; then your its accepted.

Lets get this thread back on topic; if people can leave me to do my job, or better still give me no reason to step in then thats even better.

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