The Official Franz Wagner Thread

[drsd]

so anyone drafting #9 should expect a better player than anyone drafting #8 because of past performance? it just means the people that picked at #8 picked wrong. and i say it again. Anyone drafting a top-10 pick is expecting a starter. anyone drafting a top-3 pick is expecting an all-star, at least once. It doesnt always pan out, but that is what is expected. anyone drafting 11-20 is expecting a bench/spot starter. just my view

Respectfully, if I understand your argument here it is that many NBA teams do not draft well in this range: say in the 3-10 slots. I probably agree with you, as there are so many safe picks typically taken in this range.

Looking back at recent #8's:
How was Jaxson Hayes drafted over Rui Hachimura, Cam Reddish, or Tyler Herro.
How was Collin Sexton drafted over .... actually this was a good pick.
How was Frank Ntilikina .... on draft night it seemed like a good pick even though there are All stars below him.
How was Marquese Chriss drafted over Domantas Sabonis or Taurean Prince.
How was Stanley Johnson drafted over Frank Kaminsky; just kidding, but Myles Turner was clearly the #8 here for me.
How was Nik Stauskas over Noah Vonleh, Doug McDermott, Dario Šarić, Zach LaVine.

My comments are not about a re-draft based on who the players became (we cannot dis teams for passing on Bam Adebayo).
My comments are about clear value over the actual players selected.


Back to my point in all of this, a point I think you agree with: F-Wagner is a value pick at #8. Your central argument is that Mr. #8 should be better than Mr. #9. Well Davion Mitchell also looks pretty good out of the gate. Right now, only Alperen Şengün looks like he will be a better NBA baller than F-Wagner. So hard to knock the 8-selection here by Orlando. Again, I am assuming you agree with that.



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[tiderulz]

so anyone drafting #9 should expect a better player than anyone drafting #8 because of past performance? it just means the people that picked at #8 picked wrong. and i say it again. Anyone drafting a top-10 pick is expecting a starter. anyone drafting a top-3 pick is expecting an all-star, at least once. It doesnt always pan out, but that is what is expected. anyone drafting 11-20 is expecting a bench/spot starter. just my view

Respectfully, if I understand your argument here it is that many NBA teams do not draft well in this range: say in the 3-10 slots. I probably agree with you, as there are so many safe picks typically taken in this range.

Looking back at recent #8's:
How was Jaxson Hayes drafted over Rui Hachimura, Cam Reddish, or Tyler Herro.
How was Collin Sexton drafted over .... actually this was a good pick.
How was Frank Ntilikina .... on draft night it seemed like a good pick even though there are All stars below him.
How was Marquese Chriss drafted over Domantas Sabonis or Taurean Prince.
How was Stanley Johnson drafted over Frank Kaminsky; just kidding, but Myles Turner was clearly the #8 here for me.
How was Nik Stauskas over Noah Vonleh, Doug McDermott, Dario Šarić, Zach LaVine.

My comments are not about a re-draft based on who the players became (we cannot dis teams for passing on Bam Adebayo).
My comments are about clear value over the actual players selected.


Back to my point in all of this, a point I think you agree with: F-Wagner is a value pick at #8. hat said your central argument that Mr. #8 should be better than Mr. #9, well Davion Mitchell also looks pretty good out of the gate. Right now, only Alperen Şengün looks like he ill be a better NBA baller than F-Wagner. So hard to knock the 8-selection here by Orlando. Again, I am summing you agree with that.



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everything all good and just different viewpoints. And if we all thought the same way, places like this would be strange as there wouldnt be much discussion

[drsd]

everything all good and just different viewpoints. And if we all thought the same way, places like this would be strange as there wouldnt be much discussion

Who were you hoping for at #8?


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[tiderulz]

everything all good and just different viewpoints. And if we all thought the same way, places like this would be strange as there wouldnt be much discussion

Who were you hoping for at #8?


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honestly, i thought Bouknight would have been a good option, thought we needed a scorer. I was a little surprised with Wagner, but didnt hate it.

[PrimeThyme]

I still spend a lot of time thinking about Franz's best comp as a player. Hayward, Middelton, Batum, etc are the most common names I see thrown out there. The draft gurus on the Ringer pod did a segment on him this morning and compared him to Luol Deng.

While those comps aren't totally inaccurate in terms of playing style, I think what people glance over is the fact that he's 2-4 inches taller than all of those guys and may be 6'11 when it's all said and done. I think he also just separates himself as a passer. Guys like Deng/Hayward don't come near Franz in terms of his court vision, PnR ability, and anticipatory passing.

It makes him very unique in that sense, which may be the actual answer to my question. There really isn't one.

[jezzerinho]

Early career Pippen maybe? Less defensive and more offensive as yet but that's likely to change as he gets wiser on D and others contribute more on O.

[drsd]

I still spend a lot of time thinking about Franz's best comp as a player. Hayward, Middelton, Batum, etc are the most common names I see thrown out there. The draft gurus on the Ringer pod did a segment on him this morning and compared him to Luol Deng.

While those comps aren't totally inaccurate in terms of playing style, I think what people glance over is the fact that he's 2-4 inches taller than all of those guys and may be 6'11 when it's all said and done. I think he also just separates himself as a passer. Guys like Deng/Hayward don't come near Franz in terms of his court vision, PnR ability, and anticipatory passing.

It makes him very unique in that sense, which may be the actual answer to my question. There really isn't one.

Here's hoping he is Toni Kukoč with a 3-ball.


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[SOUL]

His shot motion kind of reminds me of Ryan Anderson actually, who was sneaky athletic as well.

But an Anderson that was more fluid, could pass, and defend way better too. Just the shooting motion/athleticism part with the height.

[MagicStarwipe]

Taller Luka with offensive sliders turned down and defensive sliders turned up?

I don't know. Doesn't matter really does it?

[KillMonger]

Taller Luka with offensive sliders turned down and defensive sliders turned up?

I don't know. Doesn't matter really does it?

Luka? Franz doesn't have that much sauce to his game... He's more meat and potatoes, still effective though don't get me wrong.

[SOUL]

Luka doesn't feel similar at all. Luka's way more comfortable handling the ball but is a bit more reckless, Franz seems to value trying to keep his turnovers low. Franz also doesn't like face up dribbling as much, so his handle isn't quite there yet. And Luka has way more moves in his offensive arsenal than Franz.

But the craftiness around the rim I can see.

[MagicStarwipe]

Well yeah, that's why I said offensive sliders turned down. But he does similar things with his pick and roll game and finishing around the rim. Also has started taking step back 3's. But I emphasise... offensive sliders turned DOWN lol.

[Xatticus]

I still spend a lot of time thinking about Franz's best comp as a player. Hayward, Middelton, Batum, etc are the most common names I see thrown out there. The draft gurus on the Ringer pod did a segment on him this morning and compared him to Luol Deng.

While those comps aren't totally inaccurate in terms of playing style, I think what people glance over is the fact that he's 2-4 inches taller than all of those guys and may be 6'11 when it's all said and done. I think he also just separates himself as a passer. Guys like Deng/Hayward don't come near Franz in terms of his court vision, PnR ability, and anticipatory passing.

It makes him very unique in that sense, which may be the actual answer to my question. There really isn't one.

Yep. His talent is his positional size. All of these comps ignore that. I actually like the Hedo comp, but Hedo was a much better shooter and so he didn't have to work as hard to get where he wanted to.

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Weird
Maybe its just me then that doesnt see that comp

[thelead]

Gordon was/is a much smoother/more agile athlete. What Franz lacks in that department, he makes up with length. I don't love the Gordon comp.

[The Effect]

Gordon was/is a much smoother/more agile athlete. What Franz lacks in that department, he makes up with length. I don't love the Gordon comp.

yeah
Franz seems like he has to work alot harder to get open\past people than Hayward and their styles dont seem to similar to me

Can they do alot of the same things? sure, but they dont look to similar doing it, atleast not to me

[p0peye]

I still spend a lot of time thinking about Franz's best comp as a player. Hayward, Middelton, Batum, etc are the most common names I see thrown out there. The draft gurus on the Ringer pod did a segment on him this morning and compared him to Luol Deng.

While those comps aren't totally inaccurate in terms of playing style, I think what people glance over is the fact that he's 2-4 inches taller than all of those guys and may be 6'11 when it's all said and done. I think he also just separates himself as a passer. Guys like Deng/Hayward don't come near Franz in terms of his court vision, PnR ability, and anticipatory passing.

It makes him very unique in that sense, which may be the actual answer to my question. There really isn't one.

Here's hoping he is Toni Kukoč with a 3-ball.


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Wow, Toni might be a very good comp. Toni had a good 3pt shot as far as I remember. Toni was a superior playmaker and passer, while Franz might be better on defense.

[Horcy]

I still spend a lot of time thinking about Franz's best comp as a player. Hayward, Middelton, Batum, etc are the most common names I see thrown out there. The draft gurus on the Ringer pod did a segment on him this morning and compared him to Luol Deng.

While those comps aren't totally inaccurate in terms of playing style, I think what people glance over is the fact that he's 2-4 inches taller than all of those guys and may be 6'11 when it's all said and done. I think he also just separates himself as a passer. Guys like Deng/Hayward don't come near Franz in terms of his court vision, PnR ability, and anticipatory passing.

It makes him very unique in that sense, which may be the actual answer to my question. There really isn't one.

Here's hoping he is Toni Kukoč with a 3-ball.


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Toni Kukoc is probably the best comparison I've read.

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