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Post#801 » by yoyojw17 » Mon Oct 14, 2024 3:44 pm

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I can't see how he could aspire to be any higher on the list at this point in his career.


You can make the argument that he can be higher than Jimmy Butler/Kawhi Leonard/Tyrese Haliburton/Ja Morant

But not a bad list

I was thinking along the same lines.... and would take him over probably any player from 14 to 18 as well.
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Post#802 » by OnlyFranz22 » Mon Oct 14, 2024 9:14 pm

So Fox in Sacramento decided to pass on his extension for now…..

Something to keep an eye on going forward.
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Post#803 » by Bensational » Mon Oct 14, 2024 11:40 pm

Zach Edey is gonna be good. He’s going to step right in and help Memphis immediately.

This will be a good draft for C’s actually. Edey, Clingan, Missi, Ware, Filipowski.

Is a new era of the big man on the way? League will be searching far and wide for answers to Wemby.
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Post#804 » by RookieStar » Tue Oct 15, 2024 12:40 am

Bensational wrote:Zach Edey is gonna be good. He’s going to step right in and help Memphis immediately.

This will be a good draft for C’s actually. Edey, Clingan, Missi, Ware, Filipowski.

Is a new era of the big man on the way? League will be searching far and wide for answers to Wemby.


Good thing wr have JI already 8-)
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Post#805 » by thelead » Tue Oct 15, 2024 12:51 am

Bensational wrote:Zach Edey is gonna be good. He’s going to step right in and help Memphis immediately.

This will be a good draft for C’s actually. Edey, Clingan, Missi, Ware, Filipowski.

Is a new era of the big man on the way? League will be searching far and wide for answers to Wemby.

You and I were talking about him for a while now. I remember watching Purdue games for Ivey and left more intrigued by Edey. I wish we would have promised him something a few years back when he was a second round prospect.
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Post#806 » by thelead » Tue Oct 15, 2024 1:41 am

Embiid is not playing any preseason games and says he may never play b2b games ever again. Meanwhile, Paul George just got injured (hyperextended knee). Philly is going to be an interesting team to follow this year.
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Post#807 » by RichCollab » Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:49 am

OnlyFranz22 wrote:So Fox in Sacramento decided to pass on his extension for now…..

Something to keep an eye on going forward.


We will have no cap space.
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Post#808 » by RichCollab » Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:50 am

Bensational wrote:Zach Edey is gonna be good. He’s going to step right in and help Memphis immediately.

This will be a good draft for C’s actually. Edey, Clingan, Missi, Ware, Filipowski.

Is a new era of the big man on the way? League will be searching far and wide for answers to Wemby.


Team’s that can play 5 out will exploit him.
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Post#809 » by RookieStar » Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:03 am

thelead wrote:Embiid is not playing any preseason games and says he may never play b2b games ever again. Meanwhile, Paul George just got injured (hyperextended knee). Philly is going to be an interesting team to follow this year.


I just read those news... sheeeesh the anguish iy must be to be a sixers fan. Maxey is gonna break his back carrying that team with Embiid and PG hobbled.
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Post#810 » by Bensational » Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:13 am

RichCollab wrote:
Bensational wrote:Zach Edey is gonna be good. He’s going to step right in and help Memphis immediately.

This will be a good draft for C’s actually. Edey, Clingan, Missi, Ware, Filipowski.

Is a new era of the big man on the way? League will be searching far and wide for answers to Wemby.


Team’s that can play 5 out will exploit him.


He’s showing this preseason that he can keep the defense honest on the perimeter and still get back to defend the rim, so that critique is getting thin. Still could hold true.

He’s new so he still has a learning curve ahead of him, but the guy is legit. His hook shots are looking automatic. And that size - he dwarfed Vuc so much I kept thinking he’d got a switch on to a Bulls SF. Nope, dude is just a giant.
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Post#811 » by yoyojw17 » Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:40 am

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thelead wrote:Embiid is not playing any preseason games and says he may never play b2b games ever again. Meanwhile, Paul George just got injured (hyperextended knee). Philly is going to be an interesting team to follow this year.


I just read those news... sheeeesh the anguish iy must be to be a sixers fan. Maxey is gonna break his back carrying that team with Embiid and PG hobbled.

And then there are those complaining about the Wendell resigning.... due to his injury concerns. Paul George (34.5 yo) finally had a relatively healthy season last year but was far from bulletproof prior to that. But many would have been down to give him a $50 million deal per year. Mind you... yes... when healthy he is everything we would have wanted at the SG position. But... we have depth pretty much at every position. We can't 1 for 1 swap out franz or paolo... but we have the depth to get us by is pretty much any of our starters go down. We are geared up for nightly slug fests and i'm excited by the potential of the team.
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Post#812 » by pepe1991 » Tue Oct 15, 2024 5:55 am

Bensational wrote:
RichCollab wrote:
Bensational wrote:Zach Edey is gonna be good. He’s going to step right in and help Memphis immediately.

This will be a good draft for C’s actually. Edey, Clingan, Missi, Ware, Filipowski.

Is a new era of the big man on the way? League will be searching far and wide for answers to Wemby.


Team’s that can play 5 out will exploit him.


He’s showing this preseason that he can keep the defense honest on the perimeter and still get back to defend the rim, so that critique is getting thin. Still could hold true.

He’s new so he still has a learning curve ahead of him, but the guy is legit. His hook shots are looking automatic. And that size - he dwarfed Vuc so much I kept thinking he’d got a switch on to a Bulls SF. Nope, dude is just a giant.



I mean... who he played to even consider that claim thin?

Dallas without Kyrie and Luka, Exum nor Thompson.
Hornets without Ball (and looked pretty bad )
He had grand total of 1 FGM vs Vuc or Bulls starters in general. But ofc dominated guys like Buzelies who is 6'10- 205 pounds.
Indiana, no McConnell, no Haliburton, no Siakam .

Maybe he can hold his own in high pick&roll. But that wasn't tested in preseason. A. Dosunmu & Z. Lavine are closest thing to good perimeter players he faced in preseason. That didn't went well. Ofc not only because of him.


Guy has post moves and is massive and very hard to box out. But is also 22 and half years old. Guy is 3 months older than Kuminga who is playing his 4th year :lol: .
Even other Memphis C is good in preseason, familiar name Jay Huff :D

You can argue that at 9# in draft that is not considered strong you can take player who can help you right away, Memphis are team to watch for playoff hunt if they are finally all healthy.
I would personally take Cody Williams over him on any draft but that's just me.
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Post#813 » by pepe1991 » Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:01 am

thelead wrote:Embiid is not playing any preseason games and says he may never play b2b games ever again. Meanwhile, Paul George just got injured (hyperextended knee). Philly is going to be an interesting team to follow this year.


I would argue no star over age of 28 should play back to backs in general.
What's the point? It's schedule loss anyway in most cases, you play 35 min of high tempo, shower, sit on bus, go to airport, fly 6-8-10 hours, get to a hotel in the morning, have jet lag, go to arena, do shootaround and play again 35 min?
Yea... that's for very young people, not for people in 30s.

2023-24 win percentage of back to back games was 41%. Only 7 out of 30 teams had + .500 record in back to backs.

It's accident waiting to happen, fatigued body has much higher chance of injury and you probably will lose anyway. So, why bother?


76ers last year had 31-8 record with Embiid. That's 60 wins pace. Idea of load control of his games in regular season is logical. They need him healthy for playoffs, they will win 50 games anyway with him , Maxey, George, Oubre, Yabusele,Martin, Tucker, Jackson, Gordon, Lowry, Drummond there is more than enough experience and talent to win games on regular bases. They won 47 games last year with crappy health.
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Post#814 » by Bensational » Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:04 am

pepe1991 wrote:Guy has post moves and is massive and very hard to box out. But is also 22 and half years old. Guy is 3 months older than Kuminga who is playing his 4th year :lol: .
Even other Memphis C is good in preseason, familiar name Jay Huff :D

You can argue that at 9# in draft that is not considered strong you can take player who can help you right away, Memphis are team to watch for playoff hunt if they are finally all healthy.
I would personally take Cody Williams over him on any draft but that's just me.


Huff is a boss. If we didn't have Goga for 3rd string depth I'd want him.

Edey just seems like a guy that's going to become a feature for Memphis. The PnR potential between him and Ja is gonna be high. Defensively, Edey and JJR are just gonna eat up space in the interior.



Also, Kawamura is gonna be a fan favourite. That guy is fun to watch, especially with Edey!
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Post#815 » by jezzerinho » Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:28 am

pepe1991 wrote:
Bensational wrote:
RichCollab wrote:
Team’s that can play 5 out will exploit him.


He’s showing this preseason that he can keep the defense honest on the perimeter and still get back to defend the rim, so that critique is getting thin. Still could hold true.

He’s new so he still has a learning curve ahead of him, but the guy is legit. His hook shots are looking automatic. And that size - he dwarfed Vuc so much I kept thinking he’d got a switch on to a Bulls SF. Nope, dude is just a giant.



I mean... who he played to even consider that claim thin?

Dallas without Kyrie and Luka, Exum nor Thompson.
Hornets without Ball (and looked pretty bad )
He had grand total of 1 FGM vs Vuc or Bulls starters in general. But ofc dominated guys like Buzelies who is 6'10- 205 pounds.
Indiana, no McConnell, no Haliburton, no Siakam .

Maybe he can hold his own in high pick&roll. But that wasn't tested in preseason. A. Dosunmu & Z. Lavine are closest thing to good perimeter players he faced in preseason. That didn't went well. Ofc not only because of him.


Guy has post moves and is massive and very hard to box out. But is also 22 and half years old. Guy is 3 months older than Kuminga who is playing his 4th year :lol: .
Even other Memphis C is good in preseason, familiar name Jay Huff :D

You can argue that at 9# in draft that is not considered strong you can take player who can help you right away, Memphis are team to watch for playoff hunt if they are finally all healthy.
I would personally take Cody Williams over him on any draft but that's just me.


I'm a massive rugby fan. The equivalent of the center in rugby- size wise - is the second row. I've seen so many young second rows with huge height just break down from trying to add the requisite muscle to their huge frames too quickly.

7 footers are freaks. Outliers. An 18/19/20 year old set of muscles, ligaments, tendons, fascias, tissues just weren't designed to carry the weight of a 7ft skeleton. These guys have to build up and gain athleticism at the speed their body allows.

I was amazed at the improvement in Edey's movement, foot coordination and overall speed last season and in the predraft process. I wouldn't have thought he'd be quick enough for the NBA ever. But I'm not so sure now. He just needed to put the work in over the time period his body allowed. That's why he's coming out at 22 and not 18.

Theae guys are special cases and you have to look atnthem that way. Does that guarantee him NBA success? Absolutely not, unless you call Bobans career a success. But he has way more skill than Boban and has the potential to be a force at the 5. Time will tell if he gets there but I totally disagree that he isn't worth the gamble.
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Post#816 » by OnlyFranz22 » Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:28 am

RichCollab wrote:
OnlyFranz22 wrote:So Fox in Sacramento decided to pass on his extension for now…..

Something to keep an eye on going forward.


We will have no cap space.


We will have attractive pieces that can be moved to create the space though.
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Post#817 » by pepe1991 » Tue Oct 15, 2024 9:25 am

jezzerinho wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
Bensational wrote:
He’s showing this preseason that he can keep the defense honest on the perimeter and still get back to defend the rim, so that critique is getting thin. Still could hold true.

He’s new so he still has a learning curve ahead of him, but the guy is legit. His hook shots are looking automatic. And that size - he dwarfed Vuc so much I kept thinking he’d got a switch on to a Bulls SF. Nope, dude is just a giant.



I mean... who he played to even consider that claim thin?

Dallas without Kyrie and Luka, Exum nor Thompson.
Hornets without Ball (and looked pretty bad )
He had grand total of 1 FGM vs Vuc or Bulls starters in general. But ofc dominated guys like Buzelies who is 6'10- 205 pounds.
Indiana, no McConnell, no Haliburton, no Siakam .

Maybe he can hold his own in high pick&roll. But that wasn't tested in preseason. A. Dosunmu & Z. Lavine are closest thing to good perimeter players he faced in preseason. That didn't went well. Ofc not only because of him.


Guy has post moves and is massive and very hard to box out. But is also 22 and half years old. Guy is 3 months older than Kuminga who is playing his 4th year :lol: .
Even other Memphis C is good in preseason, familiar name Jay Huff :D

You can argue that at 9# in draft that is not considered strong you can take player who can help you right away, Memphis are team to watch for playoff hunt if they are finally all healthy.
I would personally take Cody Williams over him on any draft but that's just me.


I'm a massive rugby fan. The equivalent of the center in rugby- size wise - is the second row. I've seen so many young second rows with huge height just break down from trying to add the requisite muscle to their huge frames too quickly.

7 footers are freaks. Outliers. An 18/19/20 year old set of muscles, ligaments, tendons, fascias, tissues just weren't designed to carry the weight of a 7ft skeleton. These guys have to build up and gain athleticism at the speed their body allows.

I was amazed at the improvement in Edey's movement, foot coordination and overall speed last season and in the predraft process. I wouldn't have thought he'd be quick enough for the NBA ever. But I'm not so sure now. He just needed to put the work in over the time period his body allowed. That's why he's coming out at 22 and not 18.

Theae guys are special cases and you have to look atnthem that way. Does that guarantee him NBA success? Absolutely not, unless you call Bobans career a success. But he has way more skill than Boban and has the potential to be a force at the 5. Time will tell if he gets there but I totally disagree that he isn't worth the gamble.


I didn't say he isn't worth the gamble. For team like Memphis, who need plug&play player and want to win as many games, without backup C ( and starting C who is allergic to rebounds) he is good pickup, given draft isn't considered strong one.

My main concern about him on West is how easy it is to exploit +7 foot Cs because PGs in that conference are brutal. Like, who is worst starting PG on West? Sexton? Chris Paul?
Almost every team will target him in high pick&roll 40 feet from rim.

Maybe he'll be fine, that's why i said to Ben that it might not be as big of a problem, but that thing wasn't tested in preseason.

Also there is potential Memphis specific problem, with Smart being mediocre shooter, Ja being treated as no shooter, Jackson being mediocrity as shooter, Clarke being complete no shooter how can they run offense with so clogged paint and in same time having center planeted on low post 90% of time.
Aldama is now playing some streach 4 role but he is hardly average shooter himself.

You can make legit case that Memphis roster construction is least modern basketball in nba . Or Kennard will be some pivotal key peace just because he can put ball through hoop without entering 20 feet area? It's him or Bane or bust from outside.

They will be great defensive team,they already were great defensive team ( 2020-21, 2021-22, 2022-23) and it always got them nowhere in playoffs due offensive offense ( 2023, had 2# seed, got dropped by Lakers, shot 30% FG in elimination game )
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Post#818 » by JoshuaPotter » Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:42 pm

So, how do we feel about TSD so far? I have been looking and do not see much recent about him.
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Post#819 » by VFX » Tue Oct 15, 2024 5:18 pm

Selecting Edey at #9 is a bit rich. I think he'll be OK for what he provides.
We have to see how he handles teams scheming against him. Ja isn't a great shooter and Bane can't be your only option on that front.

He basically just gives them more needed size for lack of traditional Center against guys in the West like Wemby, Jokic, etc.
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Post#820 » by Last Guardian » Tue Oct 15, 2024 5:21 pm

I like all of our C's for different reasons, but damn it seems like every team has these massive C's and none of ours are even 7'0.

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