Official 2024-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread

[eyriq]

I think big picture we want two bigs, 3 wings, and 3 guards that are championship quality at their roles, with the most critical roles being 1st, 2nd, and 3rd options on offense that can hold their own on defense.

We are developing Paolo, Franz, and Suggs to fill those critical roles and by the 2026-27 season they'll all be making $30M+ a season. That'll be Paolo's 5th season, Franz/Suggs 7th.

AB will be in his 4th season should be our second guard by then. KCP will likely be in the last year of his contract (player option). He'll be 33, does he factor into our championship window? Jett is the player that could displace him from internal development.

The question about the 3rd wing is interesting. JI and TDS seem to be the main candidates.

What about the two bigs? JI could factor in here as well, but Goga and WCJ are also signed through this season.

The current projection then is:

Top 2 bigs: Goga, WCJ
Top 3 wings: Paolo, Franz, JI
Top 3 guards: Suggs, AB, KCP

This leaves TDS and Jett on the outside looking in during the first season where I'd consider us legitimate contenders. Jett as KCP insurance and TDS as JI insurance. In this scenario Jett has decent odds of taking over that 3rd guard role.

So then the question becomes, do we think Goga and WCJ are championship bigs? Do we think an aging KCP is a championship guard? An injury prone Isaac a championship wing?

Edit: also, we do need more cheap rookie scale contracts to develop as replacements, so trading draft picks is likely not doing to be that appealing.

[Skybox]

Recent star players and their season in their career when they won their 1st title -
Tatum- 7th season
Steph- 7th season
Giannis- 9th season
Lebron- 10th season
Jokic- 9th season
AD- 9th season
Throw MJ in there- 8th
Wade (3rd) and Kobe (5th) are big exceptions, but they also had Shaq.
Kawhi won as a role player early , as the best player on his team it took him 8 seasons.

Still looking for title but have a chance/ have been relatively close
Luka 7th season
Shai 7th season
Ant 5th season
Donovan Mitchell 8th season

Takes about 8 years on average to win a title as a team's best player, that's just the facts.

Paolo is in his 3rd year, Franz in his 4th. That is why all of these trades I see giving up 1st rounders for rentals and acting like they HAVE to do something seem insane to me. Throw stats out the window, do you really think we are a no-defense combo guard away from beating OKC and Boston in a 7 game series? I don't think so yet, I would love to be wrong, but I just don't see it. I do think the window could possibly open next year. But I also think holding picks and drafting good players to supplement the fact that our core 3 will cost a lot of money will be very important in avoiding the 2nd apron.

It took Giannis 8 seasons to win the title, Lebron - 9 seasons, Steph - 6 seasons, Jokic - 8 seasons and so on
On average you have made wrong calculations...

And then
Tatum made the finals in his 5th season
Lebron - 4th season

As a bonus and talking about Orlando - Shaq made the finals in his 3rd season, Dwight in the 5th.
And Orlando never got closer...

Sitting on your hands and expeting magically to in the tiles wont lead you to nowhere.

AND - many!

Teams contend...not just stars. Not one of those players won until the right players surrounded them. Jordan would still be looking for his first ring if Krause was "patient" with Orlando Woolridge, Jawann Oldham, & company.

Adding a playmaker vet...even a "rental" will HELP our young stars play better and advance the team further. You could also call them "tryouts" not just assume they'll bolt at first opportunity- unless you really think this is a bad spot to put down roots. Personally, I think this org, its young stars, facilities, physical location could be pretty appealing...enough with this "everybody goes to the Lakers" inferiority complex - it's BS.

When we talk about Schroder, for example, we are not looking at our savior or our starting PG or "taking the ball away from Franz & Paolo". He is totally available and for good reason. He has bounced all over the league for a decade, with contracts ranging from a $17.5m x 4 year rookie extension, down to a one year $5.8m deal, to a one year $2.6m, to his current two years at $12 and $13m. He is putting up big numbers this year on an awful team that wants to be awful-er. Everyone knows this is the case.

Every small trade at the back end of the rotation is not an invitation to take over an entire roster and all of next year's cap to cling to him...this is about as risk-free as a situation could be, considering the need and the potential upside. IF (IF IF IF IF IF) it works out, ORL can talk about re-upping him for a modest deal. If he balks, best wishes. IF AB finds another mental gear - he might make him unemployed (like Fultz). Why wouldn't a guy with his career arc welcome a situation with three other German guys that he's played with and who play the right way and a young team that can surround him with defenders that complement his game. Why wouldn't a guy who has made enough money over a decade not consider the security of a modest multi-year deal in a comfortable environment rather than scramble for a new deal every year (into his mid-thirties), often a vet min, when he could drop perfectly into the rotation and put down some roots on a team that projects to contend in a couple of years.

*I'll add my standard disclaimer that the Wagners could certainly vouch for(or not) for his ability/willingness to fit in and personality, in general, as it relates to ORL's excellent locker room. If they like his fit - they'd know. Same if they quietly roll their eyes and veto.

Everybody says "we've got to move Cole..." and then critique the crap out of the return - what do you expect? what would you give up for a negative player and a very late first? This is bargain hunting on teams on completely different timelines. Consider that a team with cap space would not take Cole off your hands without incentive, so the attached pick is not only getting a much better player, it's getting some financial benefit too.

[MasterGMer]

I think big picture we want two bigs, 3 wings, and 3 guards that are championship quality at their roles, with the most critical roles being 1st, 2nd, and 3rd options on offense that can hold their own on defense.

We are developing Paolo, Franz, and Suggs to fill those critical roles and by the 2026-27 season they'll all be making $30M+ a season. That'll be Paolo's 5th season, Franz/Suggs 7th.

AB will be in his 4th season should be our second guard by then. KCP will likely be in the last year of his contract (player option). He'll be 33, does he factor into our championship window? Jett is the player that could displace him from internal development.

The question about the 3rd wing is interesting. JI and TDS seem to be the main candidates.

What about the two bigs? JI could factor in here as well, but Goga and WCJ are also signed through this season.

The current projection then is:

Top 2 bigs: Goga, WCJ
Top 3 wings: Paolo, Franz, JI
Top 3 guards: Suggs, AB, KCP

This leaves TDS and Jett on the outside looking in during the first season where I'd consider us legitimate contenders. Jett as KCP insurance and TDS as JI insurance. In this scenario Jett has decent odds of taking over that 3rd guard role.

So then the question becomes, do we think Goga and WCJ are championship bigs? Do we think an aging KCP is a championship guard? An injury prone Isaac a championship wing?

Edit: also, we do need more cheap rookie scale contracts to develop as replacements, so trading draft picks is likely not doing to be that appealing.

I think the approach could be a bit different instead of spot to spot on a potential championship team. A lot of roster could be figured out itself if we figure out our championship core.

Examples? Chicago got MJ and Pippen then they added Rodman.

Lakers got Kobe and Shaq who was a free agent addition

Miami Heat’s Big three with LeBron, Wade and Bosh

My point is to get a top players core and that is more important than anything else. Will Paolo and Franz be top players in the league? What about Jalen? Can he emerge as a reliable scorer? You need superstars if you wanna win and the formula is always the same.

Do I see drastic changes in the next couple years? Not really. But that is my approach of taking it to win it all

I am not saying incremental pieces won't matter. But they shouldn't be a priority and they shouldn't matter as much

[RichCollab]

I think big picture we want two bigs, 3 wings, and 3 guards that are championship quality at their roles, with the most critical roles being 1st, 2nd, and 3rd options on offense that can hold their own on defense.

We are developing Paolo, Franz, and Suggs to fill those critical roles and by the 2026-27 season they'll all be making $30M+ a season. That'll be Paolo's 5th season, Franz/Suggs 7th.

AB will be in his 4th season should be our second guard by then. KCP will likely be in the last year of his contract (player option). He'll be 33, does he factor into our championship window? Jett is the player that could displace him from internal development.

The question about the 3rd wing is interesting. JI and TDS seem to be the main candidates.

What about the two bigs? JI could factor in here as well, but Goga and WCJ are also signed through this season.

The current projection then is:

Top 2 bigs: Goga, WCJ
Top 3 wings: Paolo, Franz, JI
Top 3 guards: Suggs, AB, KCP

This leaves TDS and Jett on the outside looking in during the first season where I'd consider us legitimate contenders. Jett as KCP insurance and TDS as JI insurance. In this scenario Jett has decent odds of taking over that 3rd guard role.

So then the question becomes, do we think Goga and WCJ are championship bigs? Do we think an aging KCP is a championship guard? An injury prone Isaac a championship wing?

Edit: also, we do need more cheap rookie scale contracts to develop as replacements, so trading draft picks is likely not doing to be that appealing.

I think the approach could be a bit different instead of spot to spot on a potential championship team. A lot of roster could be figured out itself if we figure out our championship core.

Examples? Chicago got MJ and Pippen then they added Rodman.

Lakers got Kobe and Shaq who was a free agent addition

Miami Heat’s Big three with LeBron, Wade and Bosh

My point is to get a top players core and that is more important than anything else. Will Paolo and Franz be top players in the league? What about Jalen? Can he emerge as a reliable scorer? You need superstars if you wanna win and the formula is always the same.

Do I see drastic changes in the next couple years? Not really. But that is my approach of taking it to win it all

I am not saying incremental pieces won't matter. But they shouldn't be a priority and they shouldn't matter as much

Define top players in the league? And why aren’t Franz and Paolo already there?

Suggs is a solid 3rd option. He is proving it with Paolo and Franz out.

[byeganyo]

Recent star players and their season in their career when they won their 1st title -
Tatum- 7th season
Steph- 7th season
Giannis- 9th season
Lebron- 10th season
Jokic- 9th season
AD- 9th season
Throw MJ in there- 8th
Wade (3rd) and Kobe (5th) are big exceptions, but they also had Shaq.
Kawhi won as a role player early , as the best player on his team it took him 8 seasons.

Still looking for title but have a chance/ have been relatively close
Luka 7th season
Shai 7th season
Ant 5th season
Donovan Mitchell 8th season

Takes about 8 years on average to win a title as a team's best player, that's just the facts.

Paolo is in his 3rd year, Franz in his 4th. That is why all of these trades I see giving up 1st rounders for rentals and acting like they HAVE to do something seem insane to me. Throw stats out the window, do you really think we are a no-defense combo guard away from beating OKC and Boston in a 7 game series? I don't think so yet, I would love to be wrong, but I just don't see it. I do think the window could possibly open next year. But I also think holding picks and drafting good players to supplement the fact that our core 3 will cost a lot of money will be very important in avoiding the 2nd apron.

It took Giannis 8 seasons to win the title, Lebron - 9 seasons, Steph - 6 seasons, Jokic - 8 seasons and so on
On average you have made wrong calculations...

And then
Tatum made the finals in his 5th season
Lebron - 4th season

As a bonus and talking about Orlando - Shaq made the finals in his 3rd season, Dwight in the 5th.
And Orlando never got closer...

Sitting on your hands and expeting magically to in the tiles wont lead you to nowhere.

AND - many!

Teams contend...not just stars. Not one of those players won until the right players surrounded them. Jordan would still be looking for his first ring if Krause was "patient" with Orlando Woolridge, Jawann Oldham, & company.

Adding a playmaker vet...even a "rental" will HELP our young stars play better and advance the team further. You could also call them "tryouts" not just assume they'll bolt at first opportunity- unless you really think this is a bad spot to put down roots. Personally, I think this org, its young stars, facilities, physical location could be pretty appealing...enough with this "everybody goes to the Lakers" inferiority complex - it's BS.

When we talk about Schroder, for example, we are not looking at our savior or our starting PG or "taking the ball away from Franz & Paolo". He is totally available and for good reason. He has bounced all over the league for a decade, with contracts ranging from a $17.5m x 4 year rookie extension, down to a one year $5.8m deal, to a one year $2.6m, to his current two years at $12 and $13m. He is putting up big numbers this year on an awful team that wants to be awful-er. Everyone knows this is the case.

Every small trade at the back end of the rotation is not an invitation to take over an entire roster and all of next year's cap to cling to him...this is about as risk-free as a situation could be, considering the need and the potential upside. IF (IF IF IF IF IF) it works out, ORL can talk about re-upping him for a modest deal. If he balks, best wishes. IF AB finds another mental gear - he might make him unemployed (like Fultz). Why wouldn't a guy with his career arc welcome a situation with three other German guys that he's played with and who play the right way and a young team that can surround him with defenders that complement his game. Why wouldn't a guy who has made enough money over a decade not consider the security of a modest multi-year deal in a comfortable environment rather than scramble for a new deal every year (into his mid-thirties), often a vet min, when he could drop perfectly into the rotation and put down some roots on a team that projects to contend in a couple of years.

*I'll add my standard disclaimer that the Wagners could certainly vouch for(or not) for his ability/willingness to fit in and personality, in general, as it relates to ORL's excellent locker room. If they like his fit - they'd know. Same if they quietly roll their eyes and veto.

Everybody says "we've got to move Cole..." and then critique the crap out of the return - what do you expect? what would you give up for a negative player and a very late first? This is bargain hunting on teams on completely different timelines. Consider that a team with cap space would not take Cole off your hands without incentive, so the attached pick is not only getting a much better player, it's getting some financial benefit too.

I think people who claim that the only way forward is patience and internal development have never paid any attention what is happening in this league and how contracts work.

Boston were patient for a while than they TRADED for two elite players - Jrue and Porzingis, then won the title against a team (Dallas) that made bunch of trades to get there.

Denver traded for KCP and AGordon and then won the title - and this is the team that relied the most on internal development, beating a team (Miami) that acquired its best player via trade.

Oklahoma, a team that is used as an example of smart drafting and patient development, actually traded for their best player and signed two good free agents this summer.

[Residual-Heat]

Who is that player you have in mind?


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someone like Sexton. If we had him last season instead of Cole we wouldve advanced to the 2nd round.

Sexton definitely makes some sense. A 1st for him wouldn't be awful value, but I do question if our front office even would consider a small non-defender at this point. And for me personally I would still rather have 5+ years of a ready college player like Johni Broome and it's not even close. I get that people want help now and agree with it to an extent, I just would rather draft some guys unless we were trading for someone who could be a part of the core for the next 2.5 seasons. I personally value both of our picks this year higher than the Da Silva pick even if they come in the 20s, I like this draft.

I think finding a trade for some 2nds for a guy who can consistently knock down open 3s makes the most sense this year. Kennard or Brogdon maybe or somebody like that, I get matching money could be hard because nobody will want Cole. I'm not convinced we need a ball-handler if we stagger Paolo/Franz minutes like OKC does with Shai/Jalen WIlliams.

Dont know about Broome, but draft picks are always a gamble even if the player is "NBA ready". With Sexton you have several years of him playing in the NBA and averaging almost 19 PPG over his career. Personally, I prefer to go with the proven product. If the FO feels that strongly about keeping both picks in next years draft maybe they could offer Cole+Jett+TDS+2nds, and see if the Jazz bite.

I dont mind Kennard or Brogdon, but like you said nobody wants Cole so it would be difficult to convince other teams to take that trade for some seconds. If they can get it done, fine. Still, Id rather just go for Sexton as I am a fan of his game and think he's very underrated.

[MasterGMer]

I think big picture we want two bigs, 3 wings, and 3 guards that are championship quality at their roles, with the most critical roles being 1st, 2nd, and 3rd options on offense that can hold their own on defense.

We are developing Paolo, Franz, and Suggs to fill those critical roles and by the 2026-27 season they'll all be making $30M+ a season. That'll be Paolo's 5th season, Franz/Suggs 7th.

AB will be in his 4th season should be our second guard by then. KCP will likely be in the last year of his contract (player option). He'll be 33, does he factor into our championship window? Jett is the player that could displace him from internal development.

The question about the 3rd wing is interesting. JI and TDS seem to be the main candidates.

What about the two bigs? JI could factor in here as well, but Goga and WCJ are also signed through this season.

The current projection then is:

Top 2 bigs: Goga, WCJ
Top 3 wings: Paolo, Franz, JI
Top 3 guards: Suggs, AB, KCP

This leaves TDS and Jett on the outside looking in during the first season where I'd consider us legitimate contenders. Jett as KCP insurance and TDS as JI insurance. In this scenario Jett has decent odds of taking over that 3rd guard role.

So then the question becomes, do we think Goga and WCJ are championship bigs? Do we think an aging KCP is a championship guard? An injury prone Isaac a championship wing?

Edit: also, we do need more cheap rookie scale contracts to develop as replacements, so trading draft picks is likely not doing to be that appealing.

I think the approach could be a bit different instead of spot to spot on a potential championship team. A lot of roster could be figured out itself if we figure out our championship core.

Examples? Chicago got MJ and Pippen then they added Rodman.

Lakers got Kobe and Shaq who was a free agent addition

Miami Heat’s Big three with LeBron, Wade and Bosh

My point is to get a top players core and that is more important than anything else. Will Paolo and Franz be top players in the league? What about Jalen? Can he emerge as a reliable scorer? You need superstars if you wanna win and the formula is always the same.

Do I see drastic changes in the next couple years? Not really. But that is my approach of taking it to win it all

I am not saying incremental pieces won't matter. But they shouldn't be a priority and they shouldn't matter as much

Define top players in the league? And why aren’t Franz and Paolo already there?

Suggs is a solid 3rd option. He is proving it with Paolo and Franz out.

Comon, bud. I am an Orlando fan. Of course I would say Paolo and Franz are top players.

But not just to me, but to the entire league, can they carry the team on their shoulders and win in the playoff? Did they do that last year? Paolo did show up against Cleveland last season. But not so to Franz. They have to do it in order to prove it.

I am a big believer in our young core. But that doesn't mean they still don't have to elevate their game and win those Game 7 of NBA Finals one day.

[Idiosyncratic]

someone like Sexton. If we had him last season instead of Cole we wouldve advanced to the 2nd round.

Sexton definitely makes some sense. A 1st for him wouldn't be awful value, but I do question if our front office even would consider a small non-defender at this point. And for me personally I would still rather have 5+ years of a ready college player like Johni Broome and it's not even close. I get that people want help now and agree with it to an extent, I just would rather draft some guys unless we were trading for someone who could be a part of the core for the next 2.5 seasons. I personally value both of our picks this year higher than the Da Silva pick even if they come in the 20s, I like this draft.

I think finding a trade for some 2nds for a guy who can consistently knock down open 3s makes the most sense this year. Kennard or Brogdon maybe or somebody like that, I get matching money could be hard because nobody will want Cole. I'm not convinced we need a ball-handler if we stagger Paolo/Franz minutes like OKC does with Shai/Jalen WIlliams.

Dont know about Broome, but draft picks are always a gamble even if the player is "NBA ready". With Sexton you have several years of him playing in the NBA and averaging almost 19 PPG over his career. Personally, I prefer to go with the proven product. If the FO feels that strongly about keeping both picks in next years draft maybe they could offer Cole+Jett+TDS+2nds, and see if the Jazz bite.

I dont mind Kennard or Brogdon, but like you said nobody wants Cole so it would be difficult to convince other teams to take that trade for some seconds. If they can get it done, fine. Still, Id rather just go for Sexton as I am a fan of his game and think he's very underrated.

I get it, and I don't think wanting Sexton is a bad idea. I just still am at the point where I would rather have 5 years of a rookie contract player as opposed to 1/2 or 1 1/2 of a 6 man type player. If I felt we were title ready now I would have no problem trading picks for that type of addition. This is just where I differ from the people who want to make a trade and wanted to last deadline as well I guess.

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Recent star players and their season in their career when they won their 1st title -
Tatum- 7th season
Steph- 7th season
Giannis- 9th season
Lebron- 10th season
Jokic- 9th season
AD- 9th season
Throw MJ in there- 8th
Wade (3rd) and Kobe (5th) are big exceptions, but they also had Shaq.
Kawhi won as a role player early , as the best player on his team it took him 8 seasons.

Still looking for title but have a chance/ have been relatively close
Luka 7th season
Shai 7th season
Ant 5th season
Donovan Mitchell 8th season

Takes about 8 years on average to win a title as a team's best player, that's just the facts.

Paolo is in his 3rd year, Franz in his 4th. That is why all of these trades I see giving up 1st rounders for rentals and acting like they HAVE to do something seem insane to me. Throw stats out the window, do you really think we are a no-defense combo guard away from beating OKC and Boston in a 7 game series? I don't think so yet, I would love to be wrong, but I just don't see it. I do think the window could possibly open next year. But I also think holding picks and drafting good players to supplement the fact that our core 3 will cost a lot of money will be very important in avoiding the 2nd apron.

I agree with this to an extent.

Which is why I don't really want to trade for dudes in their 30's for a quick fix. One of the many reasons I didn't like the KCP acquisition.

That being said, the biggest issue with this front office IMO is refusing to make trades "on the margins".

What do I mean by that? Taking risks on guys that aren't vets or journeymen, but are relatively on the same timeframe as the core. However, they might not in desirable situations. Goga is their only win from those kinds of moves after he was waived, and thats still not a trade. Boston is able to randomly trade for a player like Derrick White for basically nothing. Orlando could never. They'd have to spend a top 10 pick to land that caliber of player.

I don't remember seeing a ton of people saying to trade a first (TDS) for Tyus Jones. Retaining a bunch of dudes like Fultz, Okeke, Bamba, etc. for multiple seasons instead of acquiring a guy like Tyus is the issue.

The league is full of guys that are buried on benches that have shown SOME kind of ability that are worth investing in over a guy that has one foot out of the league like CJ McCollum or Khris MIddleton for sky high salary.

Like... what is the absolute upside for those guys in this current iteration of Orlando's roster? They play with Orlando for a season or two and then move on? Cool. That accomplishes nothing on a non-contender with your 2 main players in years 3-5. Magic FO is back to square 1 attempting to replace their production as non-contenders. Now, if people want to argue for vets like Corey Joseph being a bench vet, then fine.

I'll listen to arguments for guys that CAN fill a role, not cost a ton, and aren't retiring (or championship hunting) in 2-3 seasons.

[Idiosyncratic]

Recent star players and their season in their career when they won their 1st title -
Tatum- 7th season
Steph- 7th season
Giannis- 9th season
Lebron- 10th season
Jokic- 9th season
AD- 9th season
Throw MJ in there- 8th
Wade (3rd) and Kobe (5th) are big exceptions, but they also had Shaq.
Kawhi won as a role player early , as the best player on his team it took him 8 seasons.

Still looking for title but have a chance/ have been relatively close
Luka 7th season
Shai 7th season
Ant 5th season
Donovan Mitchell 8th season

Takes about 8 years on average to win a title as a team's best player, that's just the facts.

Paolo is in his 3rd year, Franz in his 4th. That is why all of these trades I see giving up 1st rounders for rentals and acting like they HAVE to do something seem insane to me. Throw stats out the window, do you really think we are a no-defense combo guard away from beating OKC and Boston in a 7 game series? I don't think so yet, I would love to be wrong, but I just don't see it. I do think the window could possibly open next year. But I also think holding picks and drafting good players to supplement the fact that our core 3 will cost a lot of money will be very important in avoiding the 2nd apron.

I agree with this to an extent.

Which is why I don't really want to trade for dudes in their 30's for a quick fix. One of the many reasons I didn't like the KCP acquisition.

That being said, the biggest issue with this front office IMO is refusing to make trades "on the margins".

What do I mean by that? Taking risks on guys that aren't vets or journeymen, but are relatively on the same timeframe as the core. However, they might not in desirable situations. Goga is their only win from those kinds of moves after he was waived. Still not a trade. Boston is able to randomly trade for a player like Derrick White for basically nothing. Orlando could never. They'd have to spend a top 10 pick to land that caliber of player.

I don't remember seeing a ton of people saying to trade a first (TDS) for Tyus Jones. Retaining a bunch of dudes like Fultz, Okeke, Bamba, etc. for multiple seasons instead of acquiring a guy like Tyus is the issue.

The league is full of guys that are buried on benches that have shown SOME kind of ability that are worth investing in over a guy that has one foot out of the league like CJ McCollum or Khris MIddleton for sky high salary.

Like... what is the absolute upside for those guys in this current iteration of Orlando's roster? They play with Orlando for a season or two and then move on? Cool. That accomplishes nothing on a non-contender with your 2 main players in years 3-5. Magic FO is back to square 1 attempting to replace their production as non-contenders. Now, if people want to argue for vets like Corey Joseph being a bench vet, then fine.

I'll listen to arguments for guys that CAN fill a role, not cost a ton, and aren't retiring (or championship hunting) in 2-3 seasons.

No disagreement from me. It's really hard to win a championship in the NBA if you don't have a top 3 player, so you have to be willing to try everything to find hidden gems. Guess we will see what the FO is made of soon.

On Boston, I still can't believe how little they were able to get White, Jrue and Porzingis for. Team that was already a title contender added 3 borderline all-stars for very little and predictably wins the title. Very upsetting lol. Maybe it means they'll start their downswing as the Magic begin their ascension.

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I think the approach could be a bit different instead of spot to spot on a potential championship team. A lot of roster could be figured out itself if we figure out our championship core.

Examples? Chicago got MJ and Pippen then they added Rodman.

Lakers got Kobe and Shaq who was a free agent addition

Miami Heat’s Big three with LeBron, Wade and Bosh

My point is to get a top players core and that is more important than anything else. Will Paolo and Franz be top players in the league? What about Jalen? Can he emerge as a reliable scorer? You need superstars if you wanna win and the formula is always the same.

Do I see drastic changes in the next couple years? Not really. But that is my approach of taking it to win it all

I am not saying incremental pieces won't matter. But they shouldn't be a priority and they shouldn't matter as much

This is a classic example of not understanding markets.

Miami, Los Angeles, and Chicago are not Orlando, Florida.

What I'm trying to say is that a small market wont have big names walking through the door simply because the team is good. It will never be that premier destination.

Who was Orlando's last HUGE free agent? Rashard Lewis nearly 20 years ago who was only an allstar 2 seasons prior?

Oklahoma City is HOW Orlando follows success. Not the organizations you mentioned.

Draft your guys, retain them, trade on the margins for upside, move players that dont fit the system, value your draft picks, don't make huge consolidations unless you are absolutely sure you can win a championship.

This trade thread will never see names like Lebron, Harden, Durant, etc. as serious conversation. They aren't on the table for this organization unless they are 40 and looking to get paid into retirement.

[byeganyo]

I think the approach could be a bit different instead of spot to spot on a potential championship team. A lot of roster could be figured out itself if we figure out our championship core.

Examples? Chicago got MJ and Pippen then they added Rodman.

Lakers got Kobe and Shaq who was a free agent addition

Miami Heat’s Big three with LeBron, Wade and Bosh

My point is to get a top players core and that is more important than anything else. Will Paolo and Franz be top players in the league? What about Jalen? Can he emerge as a reliable scorer? You need superstars if you wanna win and the formula is always the same.

Do I see drastic changes in the next couple years? Not really. But that is my approach of taking it to win it all

I am not saying incremental pieces won't matter. But they shouldn't be a priority and they shouldn't matter as much

This is a classic example of not understanding markets.

Miami, Los Angeles, and Chicago are not Orlando, Florida.

What I'm trying to say is that a small market wont have big names walking through the door simply because the team is good. It will never be that premier destination.

Who was Orlando's last HUGE free agent? Rashard Lewis nearly 20 years ago who was only an allstar 2 seasons prior?

Oklahoma City is HOW Orlando follows success. Not the organizations you mentioned.
Draft your guys, retain them, trade on the margins for upside, move players that dont fit the system, value your draft picks, don't make huge consolidations unless you are absolutely sure you can win a championship.

This trade thread will never see names like Lebron, Harden, Durant, etc. as serious conversation. They aren't on the table for this organization unless they are 40 and looking to get paid into retirement.

Oklahoma signed Hartenstein as a free agent for 30m this summer AND traded for Caruso on top of that.
SGA was acquired via trade, not draft.
In terms of minutes played 4 of their top 8 players came through the draft - the rest trades/free agency.

[basketballRob]

I think the approach could be a bit different instead of spot to spot on a potential championship team. A lot of roster could be figured out itself if we figure out our championship core.

Examples? Chicago got MJ and Pippen then they added Rodman.

Lakers got Kobe and Shaq who was a free agent addition

Miami Heat’s Big three with LeBron, Wade and Bosh

My point is to get a top players core and that is more important than anything else. Will Paolo and Franz be top players in the league? What about Jalen? Can he emerge as a reliable scorer? You need superstars if you wanna win and the formula is always the same.

Do I see drastic changes in the next couple years? Not really. But that is my approach of taking it to win it all

I am not saying incremental pieces won't matter. But they shouldn't be a priority and they shouldn't matter as much

This is a classic example of not understanding markets.

Miami, Los Angeles, and Chicago are not Orlando, Florida.

What I'm trying to say is that a small market wont have big names walking through the door simply because the team is good. It will never be that premier destination.

Who was Orlando's last HUGE free agent? Rashard Lewis nearly 20 years ago who was only an allstar 2 seasons prior?

Oklahoma City is HOW Orlando follows success. Not the organizations you mentioned.
Draft your guys, retain them, trade on the margins for upside, move players that dont fit the system, value your draft picks, don't make huge consolidations unless you are absolutely sure you can win a championship.

This trade thread will never see names like Lebron, Harden, Durant, etc. as serious conversation. They aren't on the table for this organization unless they are 40 and looking to get paid into retirement.

Oklahoma signed Hartenstein as a free agent for 30m this summer AND traded for Caruso on top of that.
SGA was acquired via trade, not draft.
In terms of minutes played 4 of their top 8 players came through the draft - the rest trades/free agency.

Franz and Harris were acquired through trades. KCP through free agency. Goga off waivers.

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[byeganyo]

This is a classic example of not understanding markets.

Miami, Los Angeles, and Chicago are not Orlando, Florida.

What I'm trying to say is that a small market wont have big names walking through the door simply because the team is good. It will never be that premier destination.

Who was Orlando's last HUGE free agent? Rashard Lewis nearly 20 years ago who was only an allstar 2 seasons prior?

Oklahoma City is HOW Orlando follows success. Not the organizations you mentioned.
Draft your guys, retain them, trade on the margins for upside, move players that dont fit the system, value your draft picks, don't make huge consolidations unless you are absolutely sure you can win a championship.

This trade thread will never see names like Lebron, Harden, Durant, etc. as serious conversation. They aren't on the table for this organization unless they are 40 and looking to get paid into retirement.

Oklahoma signed Hartenstein as a free agent for 30m this summer AND traded for Caruso on top of that.
SGA was acquired via trade, not draft.
In terms of minutes played 4 of their top 8 players came through the draft - the rest trades/free agency.

Franz and Harris were acquired through trades. KCP through free agency. Goga off waivers.

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Franz was drafted by us.
if we count the own picks of OKC only, they dont have any starters gotten through the draft currently.

And if we count Franz as a trade (who would but you?) it was a trade done 4 years ago.
We should be more aggressive in order to be more successful, everything else is drinking the kool aid.

[VFX]

I think the approach could be a bit different instead of spot to spot on a potential championship team. A lot of roster could be figured out itself if we figure out our championship core.

Examples? Chicago got MJ and Pippen then they added Rodman.

Lakers got Kobe and Shaq who was a free agent addition

Miami Heat’s Big three with LeBron, Wade and Bosh

My point is to get a top players core and that is more important than anything else. Will Paolo and Franz be top players in the league? What about Jalen? Can he emerge as a reliable scorer? You need superstars if you wanna win and the formula is always the same.

Do I see drastic changes in the next couple years? Not really. But that is my approach of taking it to win it all

I am not saying incremental pieces won't matter. But they shouldn't be a priority and they shouldn't matter as much

This is a classic example of not understanding markets.

Miami, Los Angeles, and Chicago are not Orlando, Florida.

What I'm trying to say is that a small market wont have big names walking through the door simply because the team is good. It will never be that premier destination.

Who was Orlando's last HUGE free agent? Rashard Lewis nearly 20 years ago who was only an allstar 2 seasons prior?

Oklahoma City is HOW Orlando follows success. Not the organizations you mentioned.
Draft your guys, retain them, trade on the margins for upside, move players that dont fit the system, value your draft picks, don't make huge consolidations unless you are absolutely sure you can win a championship.

This trade thread will never see names like Lebron, Harden, Durant, etc. as serious conversation. They aren't on the table for this organization unless they are 40 and looking to get paid into retirement.

Oklahoma signed Hartenstein as a free agent for 30m this summer AND traded for Caruso on top of that.
SGA was acquired via trade, not draft.
In terms of minutes played 4 of their top 8 players came through the draft - the rest trades/free agency.

-Didn't know Hartenstein was a multi time allstar acquisition.
-Caruso was a "on the margin" trade to avoid paying Giddey who didnt work in their system.
-SGA trade was Clippers going all in plus 7 draft picks or swaps. Don't pretend you think SGA as a rookie averaging 10ppg was the same MVP candidate today.

You are actually proving my point with these examples.

OKC made acquisitions on the margins well beforehand and not in 1 season. They didnt trade 10 assets like the huge market Clippers to get an established 32 year old.

They made smart moves to build their core and found role players like Caruso and Hartenstein to fill out their roster in an attempt to win a championship.

None of their moves were consolidating mass assets for some well established allstar or superstar. They are in Oklahoma City and despite their record last season they arent pissing away assets trying to land some ancient big name like Harden, Lebron, AD, or Butler because they dont need to.

[Skybox]

This is a classic example of not understanding markets.

Miami, Los Angeles, and Chicago are not Orlando, Florida.

What I'm trying to say is that a small market wont have big names walking through the door simply because the team is good. It will never be that premier destination.

Who was Orlando's last HUGE free agent? Rashard Lewis nearly 20 years ago who was only an allstar 2 seasons prior?

Oklahoma City is HOW Orlando follows success. Not the organizations you mentioned.
Draft your guys, retain them, trade on the margins for upside, move players that dont fit the system, value your draft picks, don't make huge consolidations unless you are absolutely sure you can win a championship.

This trade thread will never see names like Lebron, Harden, Durant, etc. as serious conversation. They aren't on the table for this organization unless they are 40 and looking to get paid into retirement.

Oklahoma signed Hartenstein as a free agent for 30m this summer AND traded for Caruso on top of that.
SGA was acquired via trade, not draft.
In terms of minutes played 4 of their top 8 players came through the draft - the rest trades/free agency.

-Didn't know Hartenstein was a multi time allstar acquisition.
-Caruso was a "on the margin" trade to avoid paying Giddey who didnt work in their system.
-SGA trade was Clippers going all in plus 7 draft picks or swaps. Don't pretend you think SGA as a rookie averaging 10ppg was the same MVP candidate today.

You are actually proving my point with these examples.

OKC made acquisitions on the margins well beforehand and not in 1 season. They didnt trade 10 assets like the huge market Clippers to get an established 32 year old.

They made smart moves to build their core and found role players like Caruso and Hartenstein to fill out their roster in an attempt to win a championship.

None of their moves were consolidating mass assets for some well established allstar or superstar. They are in Oklahoma City and despite their record last season they arent pissing away assets trying to land some ancient big name like Harden, Lebron, AD, or Butler.

Fantastic...let's simply trade for a multi-time All-Star and make sure he's under 27yo and not give up any of our young core 3 to do it. Simple.

Who are your targets?

[MasterGMer]

I think the approach could be a bit different instead of spot to spot on a potential championship team. A lot of roster could be figured out itself if we figure out our championship core.

Examples? Chicago got MJ and Pippen then they added Rodman.

Lakers got Kobe and Shaq who was a free agent addition

Miami Heat’s Big three with LeBron, Wade and Bosh

My point is to get a top players core and that is more important than anything else. Will Paolo and Franz be top players in the league? What about Jalen? Can he emerge as a reliable scorer? You need superstars if you wanna win and the formula is always the same.

Do I see drastic changes in the next couple years? Not really. But that is my approach of taking it to win it all

I am not saying incremental pieces won't matter. But they shouldn't be a priority and they shouldn't matter as much

This is a classic example of not understanding markets.

Miami, Los Angeles, and Chicago are not Orlando, Florida.

What I'm trying to say is that a small market wont have big names walking through the door simply because the team is good. It will never be that premier destination.

Who was Orlando's last HUGE free agent? Rashard Lewis nearly 20 years ago who was only an allstar 2 seasons prior?

Oklahoma City is HOW Orlando follows success. Not the organizations you mentioned.

Draft your guys, retain them, trade on the margins for upside, move players that dont fit the system, value your draft picks, don't make huge consolidations unless you are absolutely sure you can win a championship.

This trade thread will never see names like Lebron, Harden, Durant, etc. as serious conversation. They aren't on the table for this organization unless they are 40 and looking to get paid into retirement.

I actually agree with you in regards the OKC model. My point was not about getting a star in free market. But rather on how to carefully draft and retain our star potential player, in this case, YES, it is Franz and Paolo for the Orlando Magic.

My argument is to getting, in this case drafting, the core players. Free agency or trading for a star may also be possible for a small market like Orlando. Regardless of how we getting a star or core, we need to find ways in getting them, that includes draft.

Are Paolo and Franz that kind of stars of getting us there for a Championship run? Maybe, and I am hopeful. But the project is long from done. In this case, there are moves to be made in the future also including the organic rebuild, or aka player development.

After the core is done, then we figure out the incremental pieces. Little by little. Like how Boston got Jure Holiday and Pozingis. Like how Chicago got Steve Kerr and Tony Kukoc.

[VFX]

Fantastic...let's simply trade for a multi-time All-Star and make sure he's under 27yo and not give up any of our young core 3 to do it. Simple.

Who are your targets?

This is missing the point.

Magic shouldn’t cut corners and aren’t drawing established allstars.

They need to find their version of Derrick White circa 2020. If that means trading away guys that can’t get minutes here or mid-late lotto picks, then so be it. And I use that name only as an example and not the specific player or archetype.

It’s called finding value on the fringes without paying the going rate of allstars on a soon to be expensive roster.

[RichCollab]

Playoffs rotation

Suggs/ Black
KCP/
Franz/
Paolo/ JI
Goga/

Moe WCJ

Jett and TDS aren’t it for this season. Possible in the future for sure.

We need offensive SG/SF who isn’t a liability on defense to add to playoff rotation. Shooting being the most important skill.

[byeganyo]

This is a classic example of not understanding markets.

Miami, Los Angeles, and Chicago are not Orlando, Florida.

What I'm trying to say is that a small market wont have big names walking through the door simply because the team is good. It will never be that premier destination.

Who was Orlando's last HUGE free agent? Rashard Lewis nearly 20 years ago who was only an allstar 2 seasons prior?

Oklahoma City is HOW Orlando follows success. Not the organizations you mentioned.
Draft your guys, retain them, trade on the margins for upside, move players that dont fit the system, value your draft picks, don't make huge consolidations unless you are absolutely sure you can win a championship.

This trade thread will never see names like Lebron, Harden, Durant, etc. as serious conversation. They aren't on the table for this organization unless they are 40 and looking to get paid into retirement.

Oklahoma signed Hartenstein as a free agent for 30m this summer AND traded for Caruso on top of that.
SGA was acquired via trade, not draft.
In terms of minutes played 4 of their top 8 players came through the draft - the rest trades/free agency.

-Didn't know Hartenstein was a multi time allstar acquisition.
-Caruso was a "on the margin" trade to avoid paying Giddey who didnt work in their system.
-SGA trade was Clippers going all in plus 7 draft picks or swaps. Don't pretend you think SGA as a rookie averaging 10ppg was the same MVP candidate today.

You are actually proving my point with these examples.
OKC made acquisitions on the margins well beforehand and not in 1 season. They didnt trade 10 assets like the huge market Clippers to get an established 32 year old.

They made smart moves to build their core and found role players like Caruso and Hartenstein to fill out their roster in an attempt to win a championship.

None of their moves were consolidating mass assets for some well established allstar or superstar. They are in Oklahoma City and despite their record last season they arent pissing away assets trying to land some ancient big name like Harden, Lebron, AD, or Butler because they dont need to.

You claimed small markets can not be a free agents destination - Hartenstein was one of the best free agents this year and he picked OKC over New York - yes, he is not an all star, but there are plenty of examples of all stars moving to small market teams if that's your criteria, they dont go to Orlando, because Orlando rarely tries and hasnt been competitve for more than 10 years. Still "a small market wont have big names walking through the door simply because the team is good" is not true.

Then Caruso is two times all nba defensive team and 30 years old and they traded a 22 years player for him. I can only imagine the outrage by you if Orlando was to entertain the idea of trading an young player for such a veteran.

No one is suggesting we trade for Harden, Lebron or Butler. And we do not need AD per se, but lumping him with 35-40 y old guys is wrong.
Anyways my idea was getting a proven veteran who fill up our needs such as CJ cheaply. Someone who can be usefull for 2-3 years or in the worst case used as a salary filler if an opportunity arises.

And btw the so called OKlahoma model so far has given them 0 titles.