Let's Talk About Mario

[NxtGr8MagicCntr]

Not sure if its already mentioned in here but I heard on a podcast earlier in the year when we did decline mario’s option it was a favor to him and his agent. WeHam didnt want to but they requested it at the time as Mario was getting no minutes and wanted a new role. Weham obviously didnt have any sort of grasp on the players and team in the beginning of the year and obliged. Hopefully now with the bigger role maybe Mario can indeed be convinced to stay, I mean he clearly has chemistry with AG and Elf. Although I dont see elfrid returning next year.

[OrlChamps2030]

Not sure if its already mentioned in here but I heard on a podcast earlier in the year when we did decline mario’s option it was a favor to him and his agent. WeHam didnt want to but they requested it at the time as Mario was getting no minutes and wanted a new role. Weham obviously didnt have any sort of grasp on the players and team in the beginning of the year and obliged. Hopefully now with the bigger role maybe Mario can indeed be convinced to stay, I mean he clearly has chemistry with AG and Elf. Although I dont see elfrid returning next year.

Mario’s gone

[bobbeaver]

My blind belief in this dude is finally coming to fruition.

The summer off the NT helped a lot it seems.

I only hope he gets his **** together with his 3s. Hes far from what he used to b in every respect, improved by miles. All except 3s where he degraded since his 1st year. I still think he shouldnt have tinkered with his shot. It was a bit slower than now but wet as hell. And more accurate. I hope he gets it together soon and starts draining them as he knows how to. Maybe its partly mental with him still.

[yoyojw17]

Not sure if its already mentioned in here but I heard on a podcast earlier in the year when we did decline mario’s option it was a favor to him and his agent. WeHam didnt want to but they requested it at the time as Mario was getting no minutes and wanted a new role. Weham obviously didnt have any sort of grasp on the players and team in the beginning of the year and obliged. Hopefully now with the bigger role maybe Mario can indeed be convinced to stay, I mean he clearly has chemistry with AG and Elf. Although I dont see elfrid returning next year.

I really hope we can retain him. As i said in another post.... start him at small forward for the rest of the season and bring simmons off the bench. Simmons has by far played his best ball off of the bench and mario when given the opportunity to start. But what you said is interesting to hear.

as a starter (9 games) he has averaged 14.2 pnt on 49% shooting 39% from the 3.... 1.8 ast and 5.3 reb. looks like he does well when he knows the confidence of the team is behind him.

[tiderulz]

Not sure if its already mentioned in here but I heard on a podcast earlier in the year when we did decline mario’s option it was a favor to him and his agent. WeHam didnt want to but they requested it at the time as Mario was getting no minutes and wanted a new role. Weham obviously didnt have any sort of grasp on the players and team in the beginning of the year and obliged. Hopefully now with the bigger role maybe Mario can indeed be convinced to stay, I mean he clearly has chemistry with AG and Elf. Although I dont see elfrid returning next year.

I really hope we can retain him. As i said in another post.... start him at small forward for the rest of the season and bring simmons off the bench. Simmons has by far played his best ball off of the bench and mario when given the opportunity to start. But what you said is interesting to hear.

as a starter (9 games) he has averaged 14.2 pnt on 49% shooting 39% from the 3.... 1.8 ast and 5.3 reb. looks like he does well when he knows the confidence of the team is behind him.

why do you start him? to showcase him for another team? if he does well, we will be easily outbid for his services as we can only offer $5mil/yr i believe. Its not a cap issue, we literally cannot offer more than that. Unless he and his agent have said they want to stay here, why would we give him anything more than a rotational role?

for the cap guys, since we already turned down his option, can we offer a deal to him now with our offer limits in place? like sign him a 2yr/$10mil deal now? does it have to wait until the offseason?

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Not sure if its already mentioned in here but I heard on a podcast earlier in the year when we did decline mario’s option it was a favor to him and his agent. WeHam didnt want to but they requested it at the time as Mario was getting no minutes and wanted a new role. Weham obviously didnt have any sort of grasp on the players and team in the beginning of the year and obliged. Hopefully now with the bigger role maybe Mario can indeed be convinced to stay, I mean he clearly has chemistry with AG and Elf. Although I dont see elfrid returning next year.

I really hope we can retain him. As i said in another post.... start him at small forward for the rest of the season and bring simmons off the bench. Simmons has by far played his best ball off of the bench and mario when given the opportunity to start. But what you said is interesting to hear.

as a starter (9 games) he has averaged 14.2 pnt on 49% shooting 39% from the 3.... 1.8 ast and 5.3 reb. looks like he does well when he knows the confidence of the team is behind him.

why do you start him? to showcase him for another team? if he does well, we will be easily outbid for his services as we can only offer $5mil/yr i believe. Its not a cap issue, we literally cannot offer more than that. Unless he and his agent have said they want to stay here, why would we give him anything more than a rotational role?

for the cap guys, since we already turned down his option, can we offer a deal to him now with our offer limits in place? like sign him a 2yr/$10mil deal now? does it have to wait until the offseason?

Hez+ Agent most likely know Orlando's limits and will push hard to get offers bigger than this...might be wrong but he is basically a UFA and can sign July 6th while starting to negotiate July 1st

[yoyojw17]

Not sure if its already mentioned in here but I heard on a podcast earlier in the year when we did decline mario’s option it was a favor to him and his agent. WeHam didnt want to but they requested it at the time as Mario was getting no minutes and wanted a new role. Weham obviously didnt have any sort of grasp on the players and team in the beginning of the year and obliged. Hopefully now with the bigger role maybe Mario can indeed be convinced to stay, I mean he clearly has chemistry with AG and Elf. Although I dont see elfrid returning next year.

I really hope we can retain him. As i said in another post.... start him at small forward for the rest of the season and bring simmons off the bench. Simmons has by far played his best ball off of the bench and mario when given the opportunity to start. But what you said is interesting to hear.

as a starter (9 games) he has averaged 14.2 pnt on 49% shooting 39% from the 3.... 1.8 ast and 5.3 reb. looks like he does well when he knows the confidence of the team is behind him.

why do you start him? to showcase him for another team? if he does well, we will be easily outbid for his services as we can only offer $5mil/yr i believe. Its not a cap issue, we literally cannot offer more than that. Unless he and his agent have said they want to stay here, why would we give him anything more than a rotational role?

for the cap guys, since we already turned down his option, can we offer a deal to him now with our offer limits in place? like sign him a 2yr/$10mil deal now? does it have to wait until the offseason?

Oh .... i didn't know there was a cap for how much we can offer. I was saying to start him in order to give him a chance to thrive.... and rebuild the rapport with the organization.... making us a favorable choice. otherwise someone that pops up and says.... we will give you money and a starting position will trump us. no?

but if all we can offer is 5 million.... not sure how that monkey wrench works. haha

[Blue_and_Whte]

Not sure if its already mentioned in here but I heard on a podcast earlier in the year when we did decline mario’s option it was a favor to him and his agent. WeHam didnt want to but they requested it at the time as Mario was getting no minutes and wanted a new role. Weham obviously didnt have any sort of grasp on the players and team in the beginning of the year and obliged. Hopefully now with the bigger role maybe Mario can indeed be convinced to stay, I mean he clearly has chemistry with AG and Elf. Although I dont see elfrid returning next year.

I really hope we can retain him. As i said in another post.... start him at small forward for the rest of the season and bring simmons off the bench. Simmons has by far played his best ball off of the bench and mario when given the opportunity to start. But what you said is interesting to hear.

as a starter (9 games) he has averaged 14.2 pnt on 49% shooting 39% from the 3.... 1.8 ast and 5.3 reb. looks like he does well when he knows the confidence of the team is behind him.

why do you start him? to showcase him for another team? if he does well, we will be easily outbid for his services as we can only offer $5mil/yr i believe. Its not a cap issue, we literally cannot offer more than that. Unless he and his agent have said they want to stay here, why would we give him anything more than a rotational role?

for the cap guys, since we already turned down his option, can we offer a deal to him now with our offer limits in place? like sign him a 2yr/$10mil deal now? does it have to wait until the offseason?

Im not disagreeing with you, but dont you think NBA scouts already know what Mario is doing as a starter?

[MagicMadness]

So we waste a high pick on the guy, rarely use him, don't pick up his option...then immediately turn around and start giving him minutes and developing him. WTF exactly are we trying to do?

He appears to have some talent, even if it were simply as a role player off the bench (I've mentioned Pat Garrity several times).

What a cluster**** of a situation.

[OrlandO]

So we waste a high pick on the guy, rarely use him, don't pick up his option...then immediately turn around and start giving him minutes and developing him. WTF exactly are we trying to do?

He appears to have some talent, even if it were simply as a role player off the bench (I've mentioned Pat Garrity several times).

What a cluster**** of a situation.

Seems like a waste of time... I hope they are moving him at the deadline. Iwundu should be taking most or all his SF minutes.

[TKainZero]

So we waste a high pick on the guy, rarely use him, don't pick up his option...then immediately turn around and start giving him minutes and developing him. WTF exactly are we trying to do?

He appears to have some talent, even if it were simply as a role player off the bench (I've mentioned Pat Garrity several times).

What a cluster**** of a situation.

The magic are an awful franchise. They just can't seem to get things right. Ever...

I wish them the best

[MagicFan101]

So we waste a high pick on the guy, rarely use him, don't pick up his option...then immediately turn around and start giving him minutes and developing him. WTF exactly are we trying to do?

He appears to have some talent, even if it were simply as a role player off the bench (I've mentioned Pat Garrity several times).

What a cluster**** of a situation.

Almost as if we had a second agenda... you know? A ruse in which we showcase him in small spurts against targetted opposing lineups to trick another team into overvaluing him? If only there were an upcoming event of transactional festivities timing well with this spike in playing time to help justify my grand theory? If only...

[JKelt613]

He is getting legitimate minutes because Ross and Isaac went down. Especially Isaac because he is the default backup 4 since there is nobody else on the roster.

[MagicMadness]

So we waste a high pick on the guy, rarely use him, don't pick up his option...then immediately turn around and start giving him minutes and developing him. WTF exactly are we trying to do?

He appears to have some talent, even if it were simply as a role player off the bench (I've mentioned Pat Garrity several times).

What a cluster**** of a situation.

Almost as if we had a second agenda... you know? A ruse in which we showcase him in small spurts against targetted opposing lineups to trick another team into overvaluing him? If only there were an upcoming event of transactional festivities timing well with this spike in playing time to help justify my grand theory? If only...

Hmmm...



Wait a minute...



TRADE DEADLINE

[thelead]

So we waste a high pick on the guy, rarely use him, don't pick up his option...then immediately turn around and start giving him minutes and developing him. WTF exactly are we trying to do?

He appears to have some talent, even if it were simply as a role player off the bench (I've mentioned Pat Garrity several times).

What a cluster**** of a situation.

Almost as if we had a second agenda... you know? A ruse in which we showcase him in small spurts against targetted opposing lineups to trick another team into overvaluing him? If only there were an upcoming event of transactional festivities timing well with this spike in playing time to help justify my grand theory? If only...

Hmmm...



Wait a minute...



TRADE DEADLINE

LOL... you are talking about guys who traded good draft picks for worse draft picks in the future... because we have so much young talent...

[fendilim]

Almost as if we had a second agenda... you know? A ruse in which we showcase him in small spurts against targetted opposing lineups to trick another team into overvaluing him? If only there were an upcoming event of transactional festivities timing well with this spike in playing time to help justify my grand theory? If only...

Hmmm...



Wait a minute...



TRADE DEADLINE

LOL... you are talking about guys who traded good draft picks for worse draft picks in the future... because we have so much young talent...

as much as it pisses me off, i think jury still out on that trade. i wouldnt mind missing out on kuzma. its not like he’ll get to play with isaac and gordon already sharing minutes at the 4.

[bobbeaver]

So we waste a high pick on the guy, rarely use him, don't pick up his option...then immediately turn around and start giving him minutes and developing him. WTF exactly are we trying to do?

He appears to have some talent, even if it were simply as a role player off the bench (I've mentioned Pat Garrity several times).

What a cluster**** of a situation.

Dude its Magic madness
And guys got much more potential than he has shown even now. If he was played properly on a long leash (or withour one) 2nd year he d be further along and he d be a magic player after that for long time. Everyone in Magic knew what he was coming in with n how low some of the basic skills were. He was supposed to b a project. But the office doesnt know what a project is, short term or long term one in any sense.

[tleikheen]

At this point Orlando has to try get a good young talent for Hezonja if they can. As long as he keeps putting on a good show with his playing time,the better the player Orlando might land ,

would as I've seen a trade of Hezonja for Stanley Johnson22 y o (Detroit) be a good trade
could a pkg work for Alec Burks 26 yo (Utah)
Willy Hernangomez 23 y o (NY)

[Kilo]

Basically you have a better chance re-signing him if you trade him away now right? The team he's traded to would have the restrictions to only be able to offer him his 4th year rookie salary whereas now you'd be like any other team and could pay him any amount.

[Kilo]

At this point Orlando has to try get a good young talent for Hezonja if they can. As long as he keeps putting on a good show with his playing time,the better the player Orlando might land ,

would as I've seen a trade of Hezonja for Stanley Johnson22 y o (Detroit) be a good trade
could a pkg work for Alec Burks 26 yo (Utah)
Willy Hernangomez 23 y o (NY)

Detroit wouldn't trade Stanley Johnson for Mario. Maybe Ellenson (2016 18th overall) and Eric Moreland (non-guaranteed next season). Mario's value tanks because his acquiring team cannot re-sign him if he shows anything.