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SOUL wrote:I think we can all agree that DJ has been mostly useless after his heroic G1.
swarlesbarkley wrote:Seriously, how hard is it to force Siakam to the left? His only moves are to the right.
pepe1991 wrote:Bensational wrote:pepe1991 wrote:
Vučević just comes off 22 points ,14 rebounds, 6 assist game. Is it his fault that Evan did nothing ,DJ looked like trash, Isaac is shooting 3-15 for 3 for playoffs, and Gordon was limited on 10 points?
46 out of 93 points were scored by Vuc and Ross, on 15-30 FG
Rest of a roster: 14-50, yet you cherry pick woh was good and who was not.
You picked wrong game to defend agendas.
Quick edit: Isaac is actually 3-17 for 3 in playoffs.
Vuc had 1 good quarter in this game. Don't try to pretend like he was playing well the other 3.
Btw, what's Vuc's numbers for the series? Why cherry pick his highlight night? What's his numbers for the series minus his 3rd quarter tonight?
You picked the wrong series to defend agendas. Nobody has played 'well' all series, but Gordon and Isaac are playing much closer to their expectations than Vuc and Fournier are.
Stop shoving Evan in this, i could not care less about him. Was critical about him back in 2016 ,let alone today.
Vučević had one great quater where he was ONLY reason why team was in a game.
Overall during 2 out of 3 games he has been bad. That's not what i ever even tryed to defend.
Gordon is highest payed player on a roster ,you expect $20M player to have 10 points in pivotal playoff game but hold Vučević by Embiid/ Lebron expetations? Maybe you should re-evaluate your objectivity a bit?
Rainwater wrote:FFBlitzace wrote:Vuc's 3rd quarter explosion came on, I believe, 5 assists from AG. Ag didn't make the shots for him or anything, but I'm just saying, Vuc's best stretch (and only good stretch) of basketball in this entire series came off plays where AG was handling. It's extremely obvious that we're having more success there than we are with Fournier trying to create anything. Through 3 games, Fournier has 5 assists to 7 turnovers. AG has 16 assists to 10 turnovers. 10 turnovers is still too high, and it's not some amazing ratio, but it's a positive ratio and things are actually happening on his attacks. It's not always pretty (in fact, it almost never is with him), but stuff happens. Fournier can't even get to within 15 feet of the basket.
Let's not forget Gasol was not in the game in the 3rd....
That's what they did in the first game and Isaac hit a big three.Knightro wrote:I would like to see Augustin-Ross-Gordon-Isaac-Vucevic down the stretch and see how it goes.
Clifford is hell bent on having Ross on the floor in crunch time which is fine, but it shouldn't come at the expense of Isaac.
SOUL wrote:pepe1991 wrote:
Watching this series alone somebody would thought Siakam is Giannis and is running away with MVP award, not just random , one of 50 players in nba who is averaging 17 ppg
pepe the frustrating thing with you is that you are smart and know that points scored doesn't mean that every point was scored on their "primary defender". Siakam made Isaac look silly like, twice tonight? Otherwise he made him work hard for shots that he made or missed.. and A LOT of his shots were on other players too.
Again, when opposing team's writers/posters are saying how good Isaac is on defense and you're the ONLY person saying otherwise (besides B&W).. I don't understand how you can't take a step back and go oh okay, maybe I'm wrong about this part.
fendilim wrote:SHAQ32 wrote:fendilim wrote:Who you gonna give the ball to create though if its not DJ, Vuc or Fournier?
Uhh AG? We had the most success running the offense thru him.
https://stats.nba.com/player/203932/shots-dash/
Highest percentage shot is when he only makes 0-1 dribble which is at 66.7% the others arent even 30%.
If the ball is longer than 2seconds, the percentage goes down by almost half.
He’d have to be ultra fast.
You can check the stats during the regular season as well.
Yeah you're still pushing your agenda.pepe1991 wrote:SOUL wrote:pepe1991 wrote:
Watching this series alone somebody would thought Siakam is Giannis and is running away with MVP award, not just random , one of 50 players in nba who is averaging 17 ppg
pepe the frustrating thing with you is that you are smart and know that points scored doesn't mean that every point was scored on their "primary defender". Siakam made Isaac look silly like, twice tonight? Otherwise he made him work hard for shots that he made or missed.. and A LOT of his shots were on other players too.
Again, when opposing team's writers/posters are saying how good Isaac is on defense and you're the ONLY person saying otherwise (besides B&W).. I don't understand how you can't take a step back and go oh okay, maybe I'm wrong about this part.
I knew i should just go to sleep because forum will turn into kids **** with everybody pushing their agendas after an L.
I don't think Isaac's team defense is anything special. I think he overplays everything in favor of steals and blocks.
Isaac got also exposed in post where he didn't want to step up and cover Gasol few times and Siakam scored at will around him in first half.
I don't think Magic have any elite defender. (But i don't think 1 on 1 defense is anything "must have" nowdays so i don't really cry about it ).
And i agree with you on Evan being trash this playoffs and DJ being pretty usless after game 1.
IMO main problem with roster is still complete lack of ballhandlers and here ,against Raptors it's getting exposed A LOT. And on other teams main ballhandlers are PG and wing player. You look how much Leonard and Siakam play with ball and compare it with Magic where DJ is barly funcional, Isaac has zero ballhandling skills, and Gordon is as robotic as it gets with ball in his hands ( improved passer, still poor ballhandler , can't set plays ).
Bensational wrote:pepe1991 wrote:Bensational wrote:
Vuc had 1 good quarter in this game. Don't try to pretend like he was playing well the other 3.
Btw, what's Vuc's numbers for the series? Why cherry pick his highlight night? What's his numbers for the series minus his 3rd quarter tonight?
You picked the wrong series to defend agendas. Nobody has played 'well' all series, but Gordon and Isaac are playing much closer to their expectations than Vuc and Fournier are.
Stop shoving Evan in this, i could not care less about him. Was critical about him back in 2016 ,let alone today.
Vučević had one great quater where he was ONLY reason why team was in a game.
Overall during 2 out of 3 games he has been bad. That's not what i ever even tryed to defend.
Gordon is highest payed player on a roster ,you expect $20M player to have 10 points in pivotal playoff game but hold Vučević by Embiid/ Lebron expetations? Maybe you should re-evaluate your objectivity a bit?
Evan belongs in this conversation because you claim Gordon and Isaac ruin scoring potential from wing positions when Fournier's only job is to score - and he can't.
Gordon's pay is irrelevant. Vuc is about to be paid, and he's played far worse than Gordon all series. Should he be paid less then? Fournier is paid marginally less than Gordon, and he hasn't shown up for the playoffs yet. When a player signs a contract is completely out of their hands, so salary relevance is moot. But hey, maybe Gordon had a poor offensive night because he expended so much energy completely shutting down Leonard and setting Vuc up for a lot of the shots he actually made? Hmmmm.
Optimus_Steel wrote:Man Tor is clearly a better team but this was winnable. We had a many lapses during the big Tor run in the 3rd. Lack of fundamentals and focus in several big offensive rebs for Tor. We got to figure out how to grind out some offense, most of the night around 32% won't get it done ever. We lacked poise tonight, the lack of playoff experience hurt tonight and was perhaps they biggest issue other than limited guard scoring other than Ross. But we did get to the line and still had a shot late so it's not all useless.
MiltPalacioFan wrote:Stat of the night:
Raptors - 9/10 FTs
Magic - 22/23 FTs
Through 3 games:
7th seed Orlando 67 FTA
2nd seed Toronto 41 FTA
During the regular season, Orlando Magic was dead last (30th) in the league in FTA's per game with 19.2/game.
The worst thing is they benched him in the third with us up 62-61 and the Raptors went on a 16-0 run until they brought him back in.Solid Snake wrote:Didn't watch the game due to wtf circumstances but I'm hearing JI should've closed the game, why was he benched?
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