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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#821 » by jonbob17 » Sun Jan 3, 2021 3:44 am

Remember last year when the NBA made such a big deal that teams were going to have to provide accurate height (no shoes) and weights. Then all the heights rolled out, like Dwight was 6’8 and Draymond was 6’5”. It doesn’t seem like they are enforcing it anymore. I checked some teams rosters and some players were back to their pre 2019 measurements.

I really would like to know how tall Cole and Chuma are. And LaMelo for that matter.
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Post#822 » by RookieStar » Sun Jan 3, 2021 4:20 am

jonbob17 wrote:Remember last year when the NBA made such a big deal that teams were going to have to provide accurate height (no shoes) and weights. Then all the heights rolled out, like Dwight was 6’8 and Draymond was 6’5”. It doesn’t seem like they are enforcing it anymore. I checked some teams rosters and some players were back to their pre 2019 measurements.

I really would like to know how tall Cole and Chuma are. And LaMelo for that matter.


Dwight is 6'8? Where did you read that? Him coming out he was 6'9 something barefoot at 18yrs old. Did he shrink or something?
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#823 » by Knightro » Sun Jan 3, 2021 4:26 am

jonbob17 wrote:Remember last year when the NBA made such a big deal that teams were going to have to provide accurate height (no shoes) and weights. Then all the heights rolled out, like Dwight was 6’8 and Draymond was 6’5”. It doesn’t seem like they are enforcing it anymore. I checked some teams rosters and some players were back to their pre 2019 measurements.

I really would like to know how tall Cole and Chuma are. And LaMelo for that matter.


Anthony measured 6'1" 1/2 barefoot in 2019.
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Post#824 » by Rayshard7 » Sun Jan 3, 2021 8:36 am

Dwight was 6'9.25 barefoot

Chuma is probably around 6'7-6'8 he is similar height to Khem Birch
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#825 » by jonbob17 » Sun Jan 3, 2021 1:23 pm

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jonbob17 wrote:Remember last year when the NBA made such a big deal that teams were going to have to provide accurate height (no shoes) and weights. Then all the heights rolled out, like Dwight was 6’8 and Draymond was 6’5”. It doesn’t seem like they are enforcing it anymore. I checked some teams rosters and some players were back to their pre 2019 measurements.

I really would like to know how tall Cole and Chuma are. And LaMelo for that matter.


Dwight is 6'8? Where did you read that? Him coming out he was 6'9 something barefoot at 18yrs old. Did he shrink or something?


Oops, yes he is 6’9”. Prior to last year he was listed at 6’11”

https://clutchpoints.com/everyone-who-lost-or-gained-inches-due-to-height-rule-change/
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Post#826 » by RookieStar » Sun Jan 3, 2021 8:27 pm

jonbob17 wrote:
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jonbob17 wrote:Remember last year when the NBA made such a big deal that teams were going to have to provide accurate height (no shoes) and weights. Then all the heights rolled out, like Dwight was 6’8 and Draymond was 6’5”. It doesn’t seem like they are enforcing it anymore. I checked some teams rosters and some players were back to their pre 2019 measurements.

I really would like to know how tall Cole and Chuma are. And LaMelo for that matter.


Dwight is 6'8? Where did you read that? Him coming out he was 6'9 something barefoot at 18yrs old. Did he shrink or something?


Oops, yes he is 6’9”. Prior to last year he was listed at 6’11”

https://clutchpoints.com/everyone-who-lost-or-gained-inches-due-to-height-rule-change/


Could be. 6'9 1/2 at 18 yrs old./..even if he grew 1/4 or 1/2 of an inch that would make him at leas 6'10. Factor in the shoes you see nowadays then yeah some will measure him 6'11.
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#827 » by Skin » Tue Jan 5, 2021 3:52 am

I only caught a little of the 4th quarter but that display epitomized everything I feared when studying him as a prospect. Selfish, bad decision maker, hero baller with no delivery. As they say... a leopard can't change his spots. Unfortunately we're screwed.
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#828 » by SOUL » Tue Jan 5, 2021 3:57 am

Skin wrote:I only caught a little of the 4th quarter but that display epitomized everything I feared when studying him as a prospect. Selfish, bad decision maker, hero baller with no delivery. As they say... a leopard can't change his spots. Unfortunately we're screwed.


He was pretty damn good outside of it. Got to the line, had some nice passes to Birch, rebounds well, played hard on defense, took a charge.

Scouting just the 4th quarter is a very easy way to come to conclusions that he somehow played bad this game.
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Post#829 » by thelead » Tue Jan 5, 2021 4:35 am

My biggest concern is his inability to score in the paint. He needs to change his approach going to the rim. He’s trying to hang and shoot over the trees. I don’t think that will work for him at his size. He needs to go up quicker and become more crafty.
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#830 » by Knightro » Tue Jan 5, 2021 4:38 am

SOUL wrote:
Skin wrote:I only caught a little of the 4th quarter but that display epitomized everything I feared when studying him as a prospect. Selfish, bad decision maker, hero baller with no delivery. As they say... a leopard can't change his spots. Unfortunately we're screwed.


He was pretty damn good outside of it. Got to the line, had some nice passes to Birch, rebounds well, played hard on defense, took a charge.

Scouting just the 4th quarter is a very easy way to come to conclusions that he somehow played bad this game.


Outside of finishing, which is still a massive problem, this was Anthony's best game of the year.

He made some nice passes, played with energy defensively, rebounded well. Hit a catch-and-shoot three playing SG (would love to see more of this).

He's just a really poor finisher right now. He's not very good at floaters and he seems terrified of getting blocked so he opts for much more difficult body contortion style layups that he hasn't been able to make yet.
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Post#831 » by fendilim » Tue Jan 5, 2021 6:12 am

Knightro wrote:
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Skin wrote:I only caught a little of the 4th quarter but that display epitomized everything I feared when studying him as a prospect. Selfish, bad decision maker, hero baller with no delivery. As they say... a leopard can't change his spots. Unfortunately we're screwed.


He was pretty damn good outside of it. Got to the line, had some nice passes to Birch, rebounds well, played hard on defense, took a charge.

Scouting just the 4th quarter is a very easy way to come to conclusions that he somehow played bad this game.


Outside of finishing, which is still a massive problem, this was Anthony's best game of the year.

He made some nice passes, played with energy defensively, rebounded well. Hit a catch-and-shoot three playing SG (would love to see more of this).

He's just a really poor finisher right now. He's not very good at floaters and he seems terrified of getting blocked so he opts for much more difficult body contortion style layups that he hasn't been able to make yet.

Definitely think finishing around the basket will be a consistent problem for Anthony throughout his rookie year until his body fills out.
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Post#832 » by RookieStar » Tue Jan 5, 2021 9:24 am

When you compare Cole against the regular NBA players you know he can be considered a twig. Im glad though that he still tries to drive against tge trees even though a little bump can alter his ****. Timr experience growth and probably some protein shakes will cure that problem.
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Post#833 » by fendilim » Tue Jan 5, 2021 10:37 am

RookieStar wrote:When you compare Cole against the regular NBA players you know he can be considered a twig. Im glad though that he still tries to drive against tge trees even though a little bump can alter his ****. Timr experience growth and probably some protein shakes will cure that problem.

Definitely.

Not having an NBA offseason really affected him, IMO. But he should be able to adjust. He has those left handed floaters i wish to see more often.
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Post#834 » by drsd » Tue Jan 5, 2021 1:10 pm

fendilim wrote:Not having an NBA offseason really affected him, IMO. But he should be able to adjust. He has those left handed floaters i wish to see more often.


It does remind one of Scott Skiles' game.


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Post#835 » by Knightro » Tue Jan 5, 2021 1:52 pm

One of my biggest concerns is that his athleticism does not appear to translate very well when there’s not a clear path for him to load up.

When he’s able to get a head of steam, it’s particularly noticeable when he crashes the offensive glass, he has really good vertical pop.

Unfortunately, he hasn’t shown that same pop at all when he has to navigate in traffic and it’s really hurting his ability to get off easier shot around the rim.
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Post#836 » by pepe1991 » Tue Jan 5, 2021 1:56 pm

Knightro wrote:One of my biggest concerns is that his athleticism does not appear to translate very well when there’s not a clear path for him to load up.

When he’s able to get a head of steam, it’s particularly noticeable when he crashes the offensive glass, he has really good vertical pop.

Unfortunately, he hasn’t shown that same pop at all when he has to navigate in traffic and it’s really hurting his ability to get off easier shot around the rim.


I noticed that as well, there are players with average vertical leap who still have incredible quicknes, but there are guys like him and Wiggins and even Gordon that have some god-like vertical yet their quickness is nowhere near that impressive.

Westbrook only has reported 36,5 vertical , guy is so fast, so explossive, so quick that it flat out doesn't matter.

Vertical is measured in control situations where it's given time to lud and explose. Sports are not like that, most of time you just react to things, that's why things like max vertical and sprinting isn't that important. Simply not enough space to use it.
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#837 » by zaymon » Tue Jan 5, 2021 2:02 pm

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Knightro wrote:One of my biggest concerns is that his athleticism does not appear to translate very well when there’s not a clear path for him to load up.

When he’s able to get a head of steam, it’s particularly noticeable when he crashes the offensive glass, he has really good vertical pop.

Unfortunately, he hasn’t shown that same pop at all when he has to navigate in traffic and it’s really hurting his ability to get off easier shot around the rim.


I noticed that as well, there are players with average vertical leap who still have incredible quicknes, but there are guys like him and Wiggins and even Gordon that have some god-like vertical yet their quickness is nowhere near that impressive.

Westbrook only has reported 36,5 vertical , guy is so fast, so explossive, so quick that it flat out doesn't matter.

Vertical is measured in control situations where it's given time to lud and explose. Sports are not like that, most of time you just react to things, that's why things like max vertical and sprinting isn't that important. Simply not enough space to use it.


Luckily its easier to improve finishing than gaining separation. He needs to improve his floater, maybe attacking angles. His fould drawing ability should improve with time also.
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Post#838 » by Knightro » Tue Jan 5, 2021 2:04 pm

One thing I’ve finally realized and I can’t believe it took me this long, but Cole Anthony appears to be much more comfortable as a two-foot leaper than a one-foot leaper.

Now obviously it doesn’t mean you can’t be a wildly athletic finisher as a two-foot leaper. Our old buddy Jason Richardson was a famous two-foot leaper.

But as a player who right now is primarily seeing most of his minutes on the ball, it’s tough right now for Anthony to find the space in traffic to really be able to effectively and in control leap off two feet for maximum explosiveness.

Hopefully he can figure it out over the coming weeks and months.
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Post#839 » by zaymon » Tue Jan 5, 2021 3:33 pm

Knightro wrote:One thing I’ve finally realized and I can’t believe it took me this long, but Cole Anthony appears to be much more comfortable as a two-foot leaper than a one-foot leaper.

Now obviously it doesn’t mean you can’t be a wildly athletic finisher as a two-foot leaper. Our old buddy Jason Richardson was a famous two-foot leaper.

But as a player who right now is primarily seeing most of his minutes on the ball, it’s tough right now for Anthony to find the space in traffic to really be able to effectively and in control leap off two feet for maximum explosiveness.

Hopefully he can figure it out over the coming weeks and months.

This was the leap Donovan Mitchell did, learning how to jump off one foot instead of two.
You are right that would change alot but i dont know how easy or hard it is to master.
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Post#840 » by fendilim » Tue Jan 5, 2021 4:04 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
Knightro wrote:One of my biggest concerns is that his athleticism does not appear to translate very well when there’s not a clear path for him to load up.

When he’s able to get a head of steam, it’s particularly noticeable when he crashes the offensive glass, he has really good vertical pop.

Unfortunately, he hasn’t shown that same pop at all when he has to navigate in traffic and it’s really hurting his ability to get off easier shot around the rim.


I noticed that as well, there are players with average vertical leap who still have incredible quicknes, but there are guys like him and Wiggins and even Gordon that have some god-like vertical yet their quickness is nowhere near that impressive.

Westbrook only has reported 36,5 vertical , guy is so fast, so explossive, so quick that it flat out doesn't matter.

Vertical is measured in control situations where it's given time to lud and explose. Sports are not like that, most of time you just react to things, that's why things like max vertical and sprinting isn't that important. Simply not enough space to use it.

Cole is a 2-step jumper, same with Gordon.


Really athletic guy but cant explode to the rim often because they need time to gather before jump
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