Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2

[GelbeWand09]

Watched 2 of the games of Sengün vs Efes now. Still no fan of the player type but his passing is really next level. Much better than anything i've seen from Vuc here.

[Magic Mops]

Watched 2 of the games vs Efes now. Still no fan of the player type but his passing is really next level. Much better than anything i've seen from Vuc here.

Welche Favoriten hast du im Draft?

[Orl_Magic]

If we don't get the first pick I would trade our two firsts for Cade

[The Effect]

I have a feeling with the Bulls pick, WeHam will draft some player like Chuma. Some total sleeper pick that nobody sees coming.

I can see WeHam trading one of Bamba/WCJ+ Bulls pick to trade back a few slots, draft Sengun and get a future 1st.

To me, this would be HUGE mistake

Big men take much longer to get acclimated to the NBA than other positions, probably because they are so used to always being the biggest that they never really learn to use their size to their advantage until they are forced to go against guys just as big as them but who know how to use it. You see it every year. Guys like bamba, WCjr both took a few years to become what they are today

This past
Wiseman struggled pretty badly
Okongwu was a top 10 pick and was borderline unplayable at times
Jalen smith, also a top 10 pick, literally played 3mins a game

Last year
Jaxson Hayes has been decent, but still not a difference maker as a top 10 pick

The year before gave us Ayton, whos actually been very good, but he was the #1 overall pick and was the one of the higher rated big men to come out recently

before that there were guys like Zach COllins, who was a very skilled big and did alot of things well, but again doesnt understand how to play big

I think if youre trading one of WC\bamba, it should be to trade UP in a draft day move that involves mobley (either we draft mobley with our pick and trade back up from 8 and get into position to get green\suggs as well, or we draft green and trade up to get mobley), rather than to draft back for an undersized C who is likely going to take years to become a servicable big. And i get it, you dont draft for next year, you draft for what you think a player can become, but for me, i guess im just not as high on his upside as others here. I would rather continue developing Mo and WC than giving them up PLUS a top 10 pick for a guy whos not going to contribute for the next couple of years

If youre trading one of our guys and drafting him, you better be signing a quality backup because i dont see anyway hes ready to be a contributor next year

[The Effect]

If we don't get the first pick I would trade our two firsts for Cade

Unless we have #2, i dont think our pick+bulls pick gets it done, and even at 2 i dont know if it works out.

To many, cade is heads and shoulders above everyone else in this draft and the team that wins the lotto is not going to give him up cheaply

Im not opposed to trading up if we get unlucky in the lotto, ive said multiple times here that if we get unlucky in the lotto, im doing whatever it takes to get one up high enough to get Jalen Green (or maybe suggs), and am willing to give up the bulls pick to do it. But i just dont the price to move up to 1 would be worth it considering how much i think it would take. I said yesterday that i think it would cost...
Our pick, bulls pick, 2022 1st rounder and one of our young guys on a rookie deal (Cole\RJ\Bamba\okeke\wc) to get that deal done, and i just dont think i would give that up for cade

[GelbeWand09]

Watched 2 of the games vs Efes now. Still no fan of the player type but his passing is really next level. Much better than anything i've seen from Vuc here.

Welche Favoriten hast du im Draft?

I think like most here, i hope for Cade, Suggs or Green. I like the potential of a Isaac / Mobley frontcourt. The chi pick i hope helps us to trade up in case we fell out of the top 3-4.

No particular order:
Our Pick Cade / Suggs: Barnes, Wagner , J. Johnson, Sengün
Our Pick Green: Giddey, Barnes, Sengün
Our Pick Mobley: Springer, Moody , K. Johnson, Wagner, Giddey, Ayo (trade down)

[Skin]

Shades of T mac. IF T mac couldn't shoot to save his life. if he couldn't,he wouldn't be T mac but Gerald Wallace. It's like saying Kaminsky has shades of Hakeem because he hit turnaround jumper once in practice.

He is fairly athletic and has strong frame, but he can't shoot and isn't that tall.

I'm not writing him off, but i see more of Isaac Okoro type prospect than two way- superstar wing like you are projecting.

Hezonja had nice tools, but it's clear his head was never there and his ego surpassed his talent. How many times i said i f*** Hezonja prediction? 4564544464225 times?

Doncic was best prospect in Europe and you written him off because he wasn't athletic. With MVP being Europien player, with former MVP being Europien player, with DPOY being Europien with best young player being Luka, it's clear that you need to drop your stereotypes.


Look, you can look it up. It's something factual. Compared him with OG Anunoby. Defense, not stiff, plus athlete, not so talented offensive player.

If the draft goes Cade, Mobley, Green, Suggs and were picking 5th, who do you draft pepe?

Cry?

I mean , you can use future & present assets to try to climb up to top 3. You can draft Kuminga if that is the case. But we can't pretend that adding Kuminga on roster with Wendell Carter, Isaac & Fultz is smart. It's not. It's much like 76ers decision to draft Fultz due "upside" despite Tatum being way better fit for their need. Sure they had Embiid & Simmons but in times they made that, probably decade altering mistake, Simmons played 0 nba games and Embiid played 31 games in nba.

We can pretend all day that it doesn't matter, that we will just flip switch and change whole roster for THAT guy, but other side of the coin is closer to reality. THAT guy won't look like THAT guy if everybody around him exposes his weaknesses and does not play up to his strenghts.

Let's assume KUminga is next Jimmy Butler. Now Jimmy is amazing player. But if you stick Rondo, Wade, Robin Lopez & Taj Gipson with him, how good he will be? Well, that roster was .500 roster on East and looked like definition of treadmill team.
Now move Butler to a team that has some sense of logic, with 3 shooters around him. Well, now you have team that goes to nba finals. And let's not act that Heat 2020 roster was that much more talented than .500 Bulls team that lost in first round. Difference is how Dragic, Adebayo, Herro & Robinson compliment Jimmy Buttler, opposite of how Rondo, Jimmy & Wade just clogged the paint and teams just built a wall in front of them, daring them to brick long jumpers. And this was still very good Wade, one that year earlier lead team to 48-34 record as go-to guy with only 53 games from Bosh ( before he had to retire).

I won't be crying, but I won't be super psyched either. I know where you're coming from. It's why I desperately wanted to tank.

Best fit for us is Green, but I'd love Cunningham or Suggs too.

That said, I think our 3pt shooting is coming around. We're seeing signs of improvement. Cole, Hampton, Chuma, Bamba... even Wendell are capable of developing their shot further.

[Magic Mops]

If the draft goes Cade, Mobley, Green, Suggs and were picking 5th, who do you draft pepe?

Cry?

I mean , you can use future & present assets to try to climb up to top 3. You can draft Kuminga if that is the case. But we can't pretend that adding Kuminga on roster with Wendell Carter, Isaac & Fultz is smart. It's not. It's much like 76ers decision to draft Fultz due "upside" despite Tatum being way better fit for their need. Sure they had Embiid & Simmons but in times they made that, probably decade altering mistake, Simmons played 0 nba games and Embiid played 31 games in nba.

We can pretend all day that it doesn't matter, that we will just flip switch and change whole roster for THAT guy, but other side of the coin is closer to reality. THAT guy won't look like THAT guy if everybody around him exposes his weaknesses and does not play up to his strenghts.

Let's assume KUminga is next Jimmy Butler. Now Jimmy is amazing player. But if you stick Rondo, Wade, Robin Lopez & Taj Gipson with him, how good he will be? Well, that roster was .500 roster on East and looked like definition of treadmill team.
Now move Butler to a team that has some sense of logic, with 3 shooters around him. Well, now you have team that goes to nba finals. And let's not act that Heat 2020 roster was that much more talented than .500 Bulls team that lost in first round. Difference is how Dragic, Adebayo, Herro & Robinson compliment Jimmy Buttler, opposite of how Rondo, Jimmy & Wade just clogged the paint and teams just built a wall in front of them, daring them to brick long jumpers. And this was still very good Wade, one that year earlier lead team to 48-34 record as go-to guy with only 53 games from Bosh ( before he had to retire).

I won't be crying, but I won't be super psyched either. I know where you're coming from. It's why I desperately wanted to tank.

Best fit for us is Green, but I'd love Cunningham or Suggs too.

That said, I think our 3pt shooting is coming around. We're seeing signs of improvement. Cole, Hampton, Chuma, Bamba... even Wendell are capable of developing their shot further.

This Pepe guy is exhausting.
He is bashing every Magic player and every player in the draft.
Also he is bashing a lot of people here on this board.

Hard to believe he is a Magic fan.

[KillMonger]

New Wasserman Big board kinda interesting( https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2943639-2021-nba-draft-big-board-updated-rankings-of-top-50-prospects)

*Jalen Johnson- 6th
*Scottie Barnes- 8th
*Aaron Henry-16th(big jump)
*Cory Kispert-21st(dropping)
*Zaire Williams-31st(dropping)

[KillMonger]

Some Jalen green film breakdown

Watch on YouTube

[drsd]

Welche Favoriten hast du im Draft?

Herr BPA ist mein Favorit.

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[RookieStar]

wow.. this draft class has players all over the place. Huff, Garza, PEtrusev, Hurt all undrafted? Now we have Dickinson from MICH declaring and he is also undrafted? We don't have to use our 2nd pick or if we do, get it for Zaire if he falls that low.

[drsd]

I have a feeling with the Bulls pick, WeHam will draft some player like Chuma. Some total sleeper pick that nobody sees coming.

A bunch of the I-can't-shoot SFs should be overlooked. And Kai Jones could be the second coming of Stephen Zimmerman. If Orlando wants upside and ignores Kispert and Mitchell, then this is the way to go.

Ideas for such a selection are Josh Giddey, Usman Garuba, and Johnny Juzang.


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[RookieStar]

I have a feeling with the Bulls pick, WeHam will draft some player like Chuma. Some total sleeper pick that nobody sees coming.

A bunch of the I-can't-shoot SFs should be overlooked. And Kai Jones could be the second coming of Stephen Zimmerman. If Orlando wants upside and ignores Kispert and Mitchell, then this is the way to go.

Ideas for such a selection are Josh Giddey, Usman Garuba, and Johnny Juzang.


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Giddey and Garuba, if our intention is to develop them for the long haul and NOT to play them right away I can understand. But Juzang? I think he is too limited and low ceiling for such a high pick. Mid-20s sure why not.

[KillMonger]

I'm telling you keep an eye on Aaron Henry.....

Watch on YouTube

I have a feeling he's one of those guys that rises up draft boards....SG/SF size big body and strong with good athleticism....plus he has some shake to his game.....i'm seeing quite a few pro moves in his bag from watching some of his film....That pro hop into that giant killer floater with EITHER hand? tough........it shows he has some touch and his feel for the game is pretty good



P.S: If this guy Aaron Henry, Zaire Williams or Josh Christopher is on the board at our 33rd Overall pick and we DON'T select one of them or sell the pick then i'm raising hell....there is one thing about having too many rookies but it's another entirely when you're leaving talent on the table....give me anyone of these guys over bacon/ennis/randle/wagner

[RookieStar]

Remind me again which of the Bridges is supposed to be the good one? The CHA or the PHO one? The one guarding old man james looks so small and underwhelmed. Arent they supposed to be 6'6?

If we draft a SF with the CHI or SRP , we gotta make sure the dude must be at least 6'6 barefoot. The star SFs in the league will just cook an undersized SF.

[SOUL]

Remind me again which of the Bridges is supposed to be the good one? The CHA or the PHO one? The one guarding old man james looks so small and underwhelmed. Arent they supposed to be 6'6?

If we draft a SF with the CHI or SRP , we gotta make sure the dude must be at least 6'6 barefoot. The star SFs in the league will just cook an undersized SF.

To be fair.. it's LeBron lol

[RookieStar]

Remind me again which of the Bridges is supposed to be the good one? The CHA or the PHO one? The one guarding old man james looks so small and underwhelmed. Arent they supposed to be 6'6?

If we draft a SF with the CHI or SRP , we gotta make sure the dude must be at least 6'6 barefoot. The star SFs in the league will just cook an undersized SF.

To be fair.. it's LeBron lol

Lol true but the good SFs nowadays are all in the lebron height but not neccesarily built. How can we even hope to slow them down if we trot 6'6 stick thin SFs when Butler Kwahi PG LBJ KD Simmons MPJ are out there. Thank God for Chuma if we finally place him at the SF slot. lol

[pepe1991]

Remind me again which of the Bridges is supposed to be the good one? The CHA or the PHO one? The one guarding old man james looks so small and underwhelmed. Arent they supposed to be 6'6?

If we draft a SF with the CHI or SRP , we gotta make sure the dude must be at least 6'6 barefoot. The star SFs in the league will just cook an undersized SF.

To be fair.. it's LeBron lol

Mikal has good stats.

But guy looks basically the same like he did at college in terms of his physical development..
Miles is built like tank but plays like Gordon.

[pepe1991]

If the draft goes Cade, Mobley, Green, Suggs and were picking 5th, who do you draft pepe?

Cry?

I mean , you can use future & present assets to try to climb up to top 3. You can draft Kuminga if that is the case. But we can't pretend that adding Kuminga on roster with Wendell Carter, Isaac & Fultz is smart. It's not. It's much like 76ers decision to draft Fultz due "upside" despite Tatum being way better fit for their need. Sure they had Embiid & Simmons but in times they made that, probably decade altering mistake, Simmons played 0 nba games and Embiid played 31 games in nba.

We can pretend all day that it doesn't matter, that we will just flip switch and change whole roster for THAT guy, but other side of the coin is closer to reality. THAT guy won't look like THAT guy if everybody around him exposes his weaknesses and does not play up to his strenghts.

Let's assume KUminga is next Jimmy Butler. Now Jimmy is amazing player. But if you stick Rondo, Wade, Robin Lopez & Taj Gipson with him, how good he will be? Well, that roster was .500 roster on East and looked like definition of treadmill team.
Now move Butler to a team that has some sense of logic, with 3 shooters around him. Well, now you have team that goes to nba finals. And let's not act that Heat 2020 roster was that much more talented than .500 Bulls team that lost in first round. Difference is how Dragic, Adebayo, Herro & Robinson compliment Jimmy Buttler, opposite of how Rondo, Jimmy & Wade just clogged the paint and teams just built a wall in front of them, daring them to brick long jumpers. And this was still very good Wade, one that year earlier lead team to 48-34 record as go-to guy with only 53 games from Bosh ( before he had to retire).

I won't be crying, but I won't be super psyched either. I know where you're coming from. It's why I desperately wanted to tank.

Best fit for us is Green, but I'd love Cunningham or Suggs too.

That said, I think our 3pt shooting is coming around. We're seeing signs of improvement. Cole, Hampton, Chuma, Bamba... even Wendell are capable of developing their shot further.

Post allstar game we were 27th in threes taken and dead last in 3% made. Matter of fact us shooting 30% for 3 ( compared to 32% of second to last Cavs) shows how beyond pathetic our spacing is.
Since allstar game, league's average 3 point shooting was 36,6%.

So Magic difference in 3 point shooting compared to "normal" shooting was abut same as difference between Dame Lillard & Russell Westbrook

In last 12 playoff games ( and it's probably more but i got tired of clicking on box scores ) teams that shot worst than opponents from 3 point line went 1-11. Only "win" isn't even a win for worst shooting team, it's Lakers who shot 0,5% worst than Suns in game 2 (30,8 vs 30,3 ) . So it's very obvious where nba is going. It's shooters league . Why Magic for 10 years straight keep pretending they can develop it later is beyond me.
What is also beyond me, is how fans can support that nonsense and think "BPA " will be BPA if he can't shoot and lands on team where nobody can.
That whole "but we will fix roster later" bull**** is same bull they kept saying to themselfs during first rebuild. To this date, best pure shooters Orlando got in last 10 years are DJ Augustin and Jodie Meeks