Official Speculation Thread I

Reverse_Angle · Post #841 » by **Reverse_Angle** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 9:30 pm

rcklsscognition wrote:Henry Abbott ‏@TrueHoop 10m

Victor Oladipo, point guard reminds a tad of the Kevin Durant shooting guard experiment. Welcome to sneaky tanking: http://es.pn/11Va8MP

article makes perfect sense, well done Abbott!

thelead · Post #842 » by **thelead** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 9:30 pm

rcklsscognition wrote:Henry Abbott ‏@TrueHoop 10m

Victor Oladipo, point guard reminds a tad of the Kevin Durant shooting guard experiment. Welcome to sneaky tanking: http://es.pn/11Va8MP

This was EXACTLY my thoughts on Oladipo at PG:

I can see two benefits:

If it works, great. Being big at your position is awesome, if you can keep up with the opposition. You probably don't want a shooting guard like Ray Allen checking point guards, because they will blow by him. Westbrook, Durant and Oladipo on the other hand, all have the physical potential (read: quickness) to potentially hang with smaller guys. And if they can learn the position, it's awesome to be bigger than a lot of opponents. Westbrook is the proof. He's not just insanely fast, but also way too big and strong for most point guards. That edge wouldn't exist to such a degree if he were being guarded by shooting guards. Part of the strategy if that it just might work.

If it doesn't work, it's sneaky tanking. People are quick to praise the Thunder approach, but slow to acknowledge the lynch pin of reaching elite status was not merely getting Durant. It was getting Durant ... and then staying absolutely terrible for two more full seasons while adding Westbrook, James Harden and Serge Ibaka. While Durant was messing around at shooting guard the then-SuperSonics won a cruddy 20 games despite having once-in-a-generation talent on the roster. That was such a bad performance they got an incredibly high draft pick with which they could select Westbrook. Then Westbrook sprayed the ball around the court as if it were buttered, and that's how a roster with two blossoming All-Stars only managed 23 wins, leading to the draft where they added James Harden and Serge Ibaka. Only after that did the team take off, winning 50.

Post #843 » by **Bensational** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 9:35 pm

if I'm the Lakers, i start talking to GSW about a potential Dwight for Bogut s&t.... he aint coming back.

KingRobb02 · Post #844 » by **KingRobb02** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 9:35 pm

Rick Rolled wrote:I don't know why they'd even consider a 2 guard who can't shoot. Derozen and Allen don't make sense, unless they're happy with bringing Crawford/Billups off the bench to play behind a non-shooter.

Afflalo: 43% FG, 52% TS, 13.0 PER, 2.0 Win Shares
Allen: 44% FG, 48% TS, 13.2 PER, 5.1 Win Shares
Derozen: 44%, 52% TS, 14.7 PER, 4.7 Win Share

They are all pretty similar in terms of shooting percentages, and Afflalo turns the ball over more than the other guys while possibly being the worst defender. Not really seeing a huge advantage to taking him. I know numbers don't tell the entire story, and I honestly don't wan't any of them on this team, but I don't understand how you can believe AA is the best of the bunch.

MellowRose · Post #845 » by **MellowRose** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 9:36 pm

^IDK how 'sneaky" it is. I mean, if you saw Oladipo struggling at PG, yet he was still logging in a considerable amount of minutes at that position, I think everyone would've seen that it was an attemp to tank, especially since you have more capable PG's in Jameer and Moore. I just don't see it as a mind-blowing explanation as some on here are seeming to make it...r maybe it's just me.

Post #846 » by **Bensational** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 9:39 pm

KingRobb02 wrote:
RickB-Orlando wrote:You're kidding, right? Starting shooting guard that's a perfect third option and can play harassing defense at $7Mill permyear is right on the number or maybe even underpaid on that team.

You realize we were 6.7 points per 48 WORSE with him on the floor right?

i doubt LAC intends on using him the way we did. they'll most likely utilize him the way Denver did, in which case, he was one of the most efficient players in the league, almost in James Harden territory.

InFlames · Post #847 » by **InFlames** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 9:42 pm

Bensational wrote:
KingRobb02 wrote:
RickB-Orlando wrote:You're kidding, right? Starting shooting guard that's a perfect third option and can play harassing defense at $7Mill permyear is right on the number or maybe even underpaid on that team.

You realize we were 6.7 points per 48 WORSE with him on the floor right?

i doubt LAC intends on using him the way we did. they'll most likely utilize him the way Denver did, in which case, he was one of the most efficient players in the league, almost in James Harden territory.

Afflalo won't dominate the ball and chuck like he did with us if hes on the Clippers.

MellowRose · Post #848 » by **MellowRose** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 9:44 pm

KingRobb02 wrote:
Rick Rolled wrote:I don't know why they'd even consider a 2 guard who can't shoot. Derozen and Allen don't make sense, unless they're happy with bringing Crawford/Billups off the bench to play behind a non-shooter.

Afflalo: 43% FG, 52% TS, 13.0 PER, 2.0 Win Shares
Allen: 44% FG, 48% TS, 13.2 PER, 5.1 Win Shares
Derozen: 44%, 52% TS, 14.7 PER, 4.7 Win Share

They are all pretty similar in terms of shooting percentages, and Afflalo turns the ball over more than the other guys while possibly being the worst defender. Not really seeing a huge advantage to taking him. I know numbers don't tell the entire story, and I honestly don't wan't any of them on this team, but I don't understand how you can believe AA is the best of the bunch.

Why would you take the numbers from this past season? He was almost the first option on this team. He'll be at least the 3rd option, if not the 4th, on the Clippers. If you look at his numbers from Denver where he wasn't asked to be the first option, then you'll get a more accurate view of what he can bring to the table for the Clippers.

From the 2010-2011 Denver (stacked team with Melo, J.R., K-Mart, Billups, Wilson Chandler) -

49.8% (50 %) FG, 62% TS, 13.6 PER, 6.2 win shares

^If the Clippers got that sort of production (along with his defense), his contract is worth every penny. I haven't looked at the numbers of Derozan or Allen, but I'm pretty sure they're not as good at those.

Rick Rolled · Post #849 » by **Rick Rolled** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 9:44 pm

KingRobb02 wrote:
Rick Rolled wrote:I don't know why they'd even consider a 2 guard who can't shoot. Derozen and Allen don't make sense, unless they're happy with bringing Crawford/Billups off the bench to play behind a non-shooter.

Afflalo: 43% FG, 52% TS, 13.0 PER, 2.0 Win Shares
Allen: 44% FG, 48% TS, 13.2 PER, 5.1 Win Shares
Derozen: 44%, 52% TS, 14.7 PER, 4.7 Win Share

They are all pretty similar in terms of shooting percentages, and Afflalo turns the ball over more than the other guys while possibly being the worst defender. Not really seeing a huge advantage to taking him. I know numbers don't tell the entire story, and I honestly don't wan't any of them on this team, but I don't understand how you can believe AA is the best of the bunch.

Afflalo is the best career shooter of the bunch. He would spread the floor better than either of those two. I never said he was the best player out of the grouping. If I thought he was good for our team, I wouldn't want to get rid of him. He has shown in the past that he could be a great 3-4th option on a good team. He simply cannot be the 1st option on a terrible team...which is exactly what he tried to do for us. I would expect him to play to his strengths on a successful team.

Skin · Post #850 » by **Skin** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 9:47 pm

I know who Afflalo is a good fit for.

THE MAGIC.

MellowRose · Post #851 » by **MellowRose** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 9:47 pm

Also, Afflalo's 3 point FG% in 2010 - 2011 was 42%. Derozan's best 3 points FG % is an abysmal 28%.

KingRobb02 · Post #852 » by **KingRobb02** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 9:50 pm

MellowRose wrote:
KingRobb02 wrote:
Rick Rolled wrote:I don't know why they'd even consider a 2 guard who can't shoot. Derozen and Allen don't make sense, unless they're happy with bringing Crawford/Billups off the bench to play behind a non-shooter.

Afflalo: 43% FG, 52% TS, 13.0 PER, 2.0 Win Shares
Allen: 44% FG, 48% TS, 13.2 PER, 5.1 Win Shares
Derozen: 44%, 52% TS, 14.7 PER, 4.7 Win Share

They are all pretty similar in terms of shooting percentages, and Afflalo turns the ball over more than the other guys while possibly being the worst defender. Not really seeing a huge advantage to taking him. I know numbers don't tell the entire story, and I honestly don't wan't any of them on this team, but I don't understand how you can believe AA is the best of the bunch.

Why would you take the numbers from this past season? He was almost the first option on this team. He'll be at least the 3rd option, if not the 4th, on the Clippers. If you look at his numbers from Denver where he wasn't asked to be the first option, then you'll get a more accurate view of what he can bring to the table for the Clippers.

From the 2010-2011 Denver (stacked team with Melo, J.R., K-Mart, Billups, Wilson Chandler) -

49.8% (50 %) FG, 62% TS, 13.6 PER, 6.2 win shares

^If the Clippers got that sort of production (along with his defense), his contract is worth every penny. I haven't looked at the numbers of Derozan or Allen, but I'm pretty sure they're not as good at those.

Because I'm sure the Clippers aren't sitting down at the negotiation table saying, "I know he sucked this past year, but what if he could be as good as he was playing for George Karl?"

MellowRose · Post #853 » by **MellowRose** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 9:51 pm

KingRobb02 wrote:
MellowRose wrote:
KingRobb02 wrote:Afflalo: 43% FG, 52% TS, 13.0 PER, 2.0 Win Shares
Allen: 44% FG, 48% TS, 13.2 PER, 5.1 Win Shares
Derozen: 44%, 52% TS, 14.7 PER, 4.7 Win Share

They are all pretty similar in terms of shooting percentages, and Afflalo turns the ball over more than the other guys while possibly being the worst defender. Not really seeing a huge advantage to taking him. I know numbers don't tell the entire story, and I honestly don't wan't any of them on this team, but I don't understand how you can believe AA is the best of the bunch.

Why would you take the numbers from this past season? He was almost the first option on this team. He'll be at least the 3rd option, if not the 4th, on the Clippers. If you look at his numbers from Denver where he wasn't asked to be the first option, then you'll get a more accurate view of what he can bring to the table for the Clippers.

From the 2010-2011 Denver (stacked team with Melo, J.R., K-Mart, Billups, Wilson Chandler) -

49.8% (50 %) FG, 62% TS, 13.6 PER, 6.2 win shares

^If the Clippers got that sort of production (along with his defense), his contract is worth every penny. I haven't looked at the numbers of Derozan or Allen, but I'm pretty sure they're not as good at those.

Because I'm sure the Clippers aren't sitting down at the negotiation table saying, "I know he sucked this past year, but what if he could be as good as he was playing for George Karl?"

You do realize he was the first option this last year, right? Not everyone is made out to be a superstar in this league. Afflalo was able to put up tremendous numbers when he was the 3rd or 4th option, which he'll be on the Nuggets. No reason to believe he won't be able to put similar numbers if hes with the clippers as a 3rd or 4th option.

Skin · Post #854 » by **Skin** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 9:58 pm

Oladipo at PG could also be Rob's leverage counter in the dealings with LAC.

All these rumors of Bledsoe going to DET... then TOR... then NY... then MIL... throw in the OJ Mayo FA talk...

Doc must think he's some kind of funny man if he thinks this is putting pressure on the Magic to better their deal.

Rob takes a look at his cell phone...

"Hey Jacque, put Oladipo in at starting PG."
"Hey Alex, make sure the news of this hits ESPN."

rcklsscognition · Post #855 » by **rcklsscognition** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 10:01 pm

Out of nowhere...Jordan Schultz ‏@Schultz_Report 13m

New NBA info: Source tells me that the #Spurs are in serious negotiations with #Suns to acquire Marcin Gortat...

MellowRose · Post #856 » by **MellowRose** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 10:02 pm

Skin wrote:Oladipo at PG could also be Rob's leverage counter in the dealings with LAC.

All these rumors of Bledsoe going to DET... then TOR... then NY... then MIL... throw in the OJ Mayo FA talk...

Doc must think he's some kind of funny man if he thinks this is putting pressure on the Magic to better their deal.

Rob takes a look at his cell phone...

"Hey Jacque, put Oladipo in at starting PG."
"Hey Alex, make sure the news of this hits ESPN."

So by putting Oladipo at PG that would mean that we have a need for a SG...and we already have Afflalo. Am I following this correctly? If so, it's brilliant lol .

MitchellUK · Post #857 » by **MitchellUK** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 10:12 pm

Victor at the point is ok by me. I don't think it's a long term solution, but as others have noted, it would be a good learning experience for him in any case, and him working on his ball handling, court vision and passing will still be of great benefit to him if and when he moves back to shooting guard. The "sneaky tanking" thing, helping us get positioned for a better pick next year in what looks like a strong draft, doesn't hurt either.

BadMofoPimp · Post #858 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 10:14 pm

There isn't much job security in the NBA. You have to think that a GM has to be a bit cut throat and slick to get what they want. I would do whatever it takes to get the leverage to obtain the players I want. Heck, Lakers used Stern. Why not use ESPN and media outlets to throw out smoke screens?

KillMonger · Post #859 » by **KillMonger** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 10:19 pm

Not to get lost in the shuffle here are some Romero Osby Highlights

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDK7BnRVpt4[/youtube]

Dude has a legit inside/outside game with a little athleticism and ball handling

Noonskadoodle · Post #860 » by **Noonskadoodle** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 10:28 pm

Whenever I watched Oklahoma Osby just seemed like a man among boys on the floor. He got wherever he wanted to & just bullied guys for rebounds.

He had to do all the heavy lifting for Oklahoma who was far from a talented team.

Kind of like Nicholson at St Bonaventure, except Osby is much much more aggressive & physical on the court. Def seems like somebody you want on your side if things start to get ugly on the court

haha