Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIV: Offseason Edition)

spinedoc · Post #861 » by **spinedoc** » Mon May 28, 2012 11:09 am

thelead wrote:Give me a pf that plays good defense over a pf that shoots the 3 any day of the week.

Amen brother.

WeAreVenom · Post #862 » by **WeAreVenom** » Mon May 28, 2012 11:31 am

spinedoc wrote:
thelead wrote:Give me a pf that plays good defense over a pf that shoots the 3 any day of the week.

Amen brother.

Jiwol · Post #863 » by **Jiwol** » Mon May 28, 2012 1:03 pm

ChildishGambino wrote:
MagicStarwipe wrote:Uh... so who showed up in the playoffs? BBD or Ryan? Yeah... thought so.

yeah he did show up.....although he had no choice.....seriously doubt he could of done what he did with Dwight in the picture......me personally i would be fine with either....i see merits with both Ryan and Baby.....would be fine without either baby or ryan as well.....

"Had no choice"? Clear this up for me, please. So BBD "had to" show up, but Ryno didn't have to show up? Was he excused from showing up in the play-offs for some reason? I loathed BBD for majority of the season but he won me over in the last few weeks. He showed great heart and skill. Ryno sucked w/o Dwight. And he sucked big time.

Post #864 » by **eyriq** » Mon May 28, 2012 1:10 pm

Jiwol wrote:
ChildishGambino wrote:
MagicStarwipe wrote:Uh... so who showed up in the playoffs? BBD or Ryan? Yeah... thought so.

yeah he did show up.....although he had no choice.....seriously doubt he could of done what he did with Dwight in the picture......me personally i would be fine with either....i see merits with both Ryan and Baby.....would be fine without either baby or ryan as well.....

"Had no choice"? Clear this up for me, please. So BBD "had to" show up, but Ryno didn't have to show up? Was he excused from showing up in the play-offs for some reason? I loathed BBD for majority of the season but he won me over in the last few weeks. He showed great heart and skill. Ryno sucked w/o Dwight. And he sucked big time.

"the last few weeks"

This is key

magic04life · Post #865 » by **magic04life** » Mon May 28, 2012 1:16 pm

Ryan has disappeared in the playoffs TWO straight seasons.

Baby played with heart and played smart during Dwight's injury. He was our best player in the playoffs. He average 20 points and 9 rebounds per game in the playoffs! Not to mention he played GREAT defense on Hibbert.

Why is this even a question? Of course you keep BBD instead of Ryan.

Jiwol · Post #866 » by **Jiwol** » Mon May 28, 2012 1:42 pm

eyriq wrote:
Jiwol wrote:
ChildishGambino wrote:yeah he did show up.....although he had no choice.....seriously doubt he could of done what he did with Dwight in the picture......me personally i would be fine with either....i see merits with both Ryan and Baby.....would be fine without either baby or ryan as well.....

"Had no choice"? Clear this up for me, please. So BBD "had to" show up, but Ryno didn't have to show up? Was he excused from showing up in the play-offs for some reason? I loathed BBD for majority of the season but he won me over in the last few weeks. He showed great heart and skill. Ryno sucked w/o Dwight. And he sucked big time.

"the last few weeks"

This is key

"play-offs"

This is key

No one wins championship for regular season performance. MIP my ass.

ChildishGambino · Post #867 » by **ChildishGambino** » Mon May 28, 2012 1:50 pm

BBD had the opportunity to flourish.....not giving Ryan a pass by any stretch i'm just saying that to me BBD's play in the playoffs came with an asterisk.....

Darth Magic · Post #868 » by **Darth Magic** » Mon May 28, 2012 1:56 pm

Most of you on here were calling for BBD's head while touting Ryan as the next Nowtizki just a few short weeks ago. No one said BBD was a bust. I said he was bust for most of the year, and he was HORRENDOUS! The poor shot selection, the bone headed plays. Need i remind you that Ryan Anderson is a 24 year old player starting his first full season, while BBD at 26 is a grizzled veteran who has won a championship while playing in multiple nba finals games, tutored in defense by KG and has been through the grind. Do you really think Ryan, who has gotten better every year in the NBA has reached his peak on both sides of the floor? The short sightedness on this page is startling. No wonder we can't have nice things.

Post #869 » by **eyriq** » Mon May 28, 2012 1:57 pm

Jiwol wrote:
"play-offs"

This is key

No one wins championship for regular season performance. MIP my ass.

Sorry man, but five games in a system radically different from what we've had all season (no Dwight) isn't the ideal petri dish. You just can't overreact to five games. Hell, with Dwight you can pin point specific series or five game spans where he really, really struggled. Give me our system healthy and whole and for a consistent amount of time and the data from that petri dish.

MagicStarwipe · Post #870 » by **MagicStarwipe** » Mon May 28, 2012 2:21 pm

Neither of them are probably the guy we need at PF to compete, but BBD is probably closer to the kind of player we need.

WeAreVenom · Post #871 » by **WeAreVenom** » Mon May 28, 2012 2:22 pm

eyriq wrote:
Jiwol wrote:
"play-offs"

This is key

No one wins championship for regular season performance. MIP my ass.

Sorry man, but five games in a system radically different from what we've had all season (no Dwight) isn't the ideal petri dish. You just can't overreact to five games. Hell, with Dwight you can pin point specific series or five game spans where he really, really struggled. Give me our system healthy and whole and for a consistent amount of time and the data from that petri dish.

C'mon eyriq, I know you like Ryan, we all do, but the guy consistently disappears come playoff time.

People keep dumping on Dwight's mentality, but Ryan is the mental midget imo.

CourtsideTV · Post #872 » by **CourtsideTV** » Mon May 28, 2012 2:28 pm

Ryan is only good for regular season. I'm sure over time he'll get confidence int he playoffs..but he feeds off the team.. the entire team is soft. we disappear in the playoffs. only time we didnt is when we had a PG stand up for us (rafer) slapping eddie house...we had that mean streak going that year and dwight elbowed dalembert too . gortat also didn't take ish..neither did barnes...

smh... we ended up with soft carter....jameer who doesnt get into fights..... DUHON who does travel dances on the bench... qrich who is fake tough.

Darth Magic · Post #873 » by **Darth Magic** » Mon May 28, 2012 2:29 pm

WeAreVenom wrote:
eyriq wrote:
Jiwol wrote:
"play-offs"

This is key

No one wins championship for regular season performance. MIP my ass.

Sorry man, but five games in a system radically different from what we've had all season (no Dwight) isn't the ideal petri dish. You just can't overreact to five games. Hell, with Dwight you can pin point specific series or five game spans where he really, really struggled. Give me our system healthy and whole and for a consistent amount of time and the data from that petri dish.

C'mon eyriq, I know you like Ryan, we all do, but the guy consistently disappears come playoff time.

People keep dumping on Dwight's mentality, but Ryan is the mental midget imo.

Mental midget?

WeAreVenom · Post #874 » by **WeAreVenom** » Mon May 28, 2012 2:32 pm

CourtsideTV wrote:Ryan is only good for regular season. I'm sure over time he'll get confidence int he playoffs..but he feeds off the team.. the entire team is soft. we disappear in the playoffs. only time we didnt is when we had a PG stand up for us (rafer) slapping eddie house...we had that mean streak going that year and dwight elbowed dalembert too HAHA

Easily one of my favorite moments in Magic history.

But yea, right now, Ryan slips when he is needed. This is a contract year, and that was his shot to prove that he isn't just a "System Player" and he blew it.

He's young (3 days younger than me, lol) so maybe he'll turn it around....

WeAreVenom · Post #875 » by **WeAreVenom** » Mon May 28, 2012 2:34 pm

Darth Magic wrote:
WeAreVenom wrote:
eyriq wrote:
Sorry man, but five games in a system radically different from what we've had all season (no Dwight) isn't the ideal petri dish. You just can't overreact to five games. Hell, with Dwight you can pin point specific series or five game spans where he really, really struggled. Give me our system healthy and whole and for a consistent amount of time and the data from that petri dish.

C'mon eyriq, I know you like Ryan, we all do, but the guy consistently disappears come playoff time.

People keep dumping on Dwight's mentality, but Ryan is the mental midget imo.

Mental midget?

Lol, yeah, I think I stole that from Skip Bayless, ironically (he was describing Dwight).

.......That's probably too strong, but you get the gist.

Post #876 » by **eyriq** » Mon May 28, 2012 2:39 pm

MagicStarwipe wrote:Neither of them are probably the guy we need at PF to compete, but BBD is probably closer to the kind of player we need.

BBD is an interesting case. He is just starting to establish himself as quality starter material but the case isn't overwhelming. Sure, Otis payed him like a quality starter but getting the Otis Stamp of Approval isn't exactly worth the ink that whetted the stamp or the paper it was stamped on (hyperbole alert, but the point still has merit).

In '09 with Boston he averaged 36.4 mpg in the playoffs and put up 16-6-2 and in '12 with Orlando he averaged 38 mpg and put up 19-9-1. Very odd when your best performances are in the playoffs and in roles drastically different than what the regular season had established, but very much to his credit that he has a history of stepping up when big time stars go down. Kind of a break in case of emergency thing going for him.

He hasn't sustained this type of play over an entire season. During the regular season in '09 he averaged 21.5 MPG and in '12 23.4 mpg. Of course he was backing up KG in Boston and dealing with multiple personal crisis in Orlando. He's never averaged more than 29.5 mpg during a regular season.

Also of note, his stellar play is still nominal. His playoff PER from this year was 19.2 over those 5 games. In '09 it was 15.2. In his other three playoffs performances? '08 PER 8.4, '10 PER 14.5, and '11 PER 5.2.

His highest PER in the regular season is from this season, PER 13.2.

It is really, really hard to make a strong case for Baby as a quality starter, yet alone as a better fit next to Dwight than Ryan Anderson.

CPBalla2003 n da 863 · Post #877 » by **CPBalla2003 n da 863** » Mon May 28, 2012 3:19 pm

Kind of easy to blast Ryan when they Indiana was game planning for him first, and left the two open, BBD did a fantastic job, but, i'll start Ryan even with the new coach, management, system.

cb1115 · Post #878 » by **cb1115** » Mon May 28, 2012 3:32 pm

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=c8j55s9 + Houston's 2 first round picks this year and I die a happy man.

MoMM · Post #879 » by **MoMM** » Mon May 28, 2012 3:37 pm

cb1115 wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=c8j55s9 + Houston's 2 first round picks this year and I die a happy man.

Nah, i want Duhon and Hedo gone.

magicman123 · Post #880 » by **magicman123** » Mon May 28, 2012 3:40 pm

CPBalla2003 n da 863 wrote:Kind of easy to blast Ryan when they Indiana was game planning for him first, and left the two open, BBD did a fantastic job, but, i'll start Ryan even with the new coach, management, system.

game planning, as in standing next to ryan at the 3 point line?