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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#861 » by Magic Mops » Sat May 29, 2021 3:45 pm

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jezzerinho wrote:Question, let's make the assumption we have the #4 and #8 picks.

Player and picks capital wise, what do you all think it would take to come out of the draft with Suggs and Green?

Irrespective of whether you agree they're the players for Orl to target, what would it take to secure them do you believe?


At 4, I would hope Green is available, or that Mobley slides. I have no interest in Suggs. Indeed I would hope that if Cunningham, Green, and Mobley are off of the board, the Magic trades #4 down for the rights to Moody, perhaps getting a lottery protect first in another draft or a young asset.

If the Magic get Green up top, at 8, I would hope Moody slides. In the event he does not, I assume the Magic draft Barnes. And I will learn to be OK with that. I guess at worse he will be an outstanding defender on the bench. And at best, maybe he develops at a 5th or 6th man type. If the Magic does not get Green with the top-pick, I would hope the Magic package both draft rights, and another asset for Green. I am very comfortable with, for example, the Magic trading the draft rights of Suggs, the draft rights of Barnes and Cole Anthony for the draft rights of Green.

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I would also love to get Moody.
I think he is underrated.

I also like your idea with Barnes.
As much as i like Isaac i think Scottie would be a good insurance for Isaac( because of Isaac's injury upside)

I like Scottie's playmaking and court vision.
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Post#863 » by Magic Mops » Sat May 29, 2021 6:04 pm

As i am from Europe i watch a lot of european basketball.

I know that both Sengün and Garuba are not the sexiest picks for the Magic fans in the States but both guys are very skilled basketball players.

They played against grown men in professional basketball leagues and did a very good Job.



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Post#864 » by RookieStar » Sat May 29, 2021 9:31 pm

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RookieStar wrote:Alright I too am watching these playoffs and I know who we should draft. I want those big, fat ,out of shape Euros with basketball skills.. anyone this yeat fits that archetype?



Ah yes.. obviously a famous European player groomed by the like of RM,Barcelona and etc since 10yrs old?
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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#865 » by Horcy » Sat May 29, 2021 10:38 pm

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Magic Mops wrote:Your german is not bad

You are from the States?


I am in North England - UK, was born and raised in Orlando FL, und Ich habe für Zwölf Jahren in Köln gewohnen.


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Ich spreche auch ein bisschen Deutsch.
Hey drsd! I have relocated to Italy a couple of months ago. I’m currently living in Turín.
I have some good friends there in the U.K and in Ireland.
I will surely make a trip when the travel restrictions are totally gone. Will let you know. We should definitely share some “Magic pints” :party:

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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#866 » by OrlChamps2030 » Sun May 30, 2021 12:18 am

RookieStar wrote:
OrlChamps2030 wrote:
RookieStar wrote:Alright I too am watching these playoffs and I know who we should draft. I want those big, fat ,out of shape Euros with basketball skills.. anyone this yeat fits that archetype?



Ah yes.. obviously a famous European player groomed by the like of RM,Barcelona and etc since 10yrs old?


So like an improved Jokic? Very specific haha

Let me know if you find one of those guys :lol:

I think Hammond is still looking for 7 foot PGs in Greece’s third division.. he’s gotta find one eventually right guys
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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#867 » by Knightro » Sun May 30, 2021 1:52 am

Magic Mops wrote:As i am from Europe i watch a lot of european basketball.

I know that both Sengün and Garuba are not the sexiest picks for the Magic fans in the States but both guys are very skilled basketball players.

They played against grown men in professional basketball leagues and did a very good Job.


I'm one of the biggest Şengün fans on the board and would have no issue whatsoever picking him with the Bulls pick. I think the 3PT shooting is absolutely going to develop and he's going to be an excellent offensive player. He might struggle defensively for a bit, but I really think he's going to make it work offensively.

Garuba is a great defensive prospect. I would put him just barely below Scottie Barnes as the best defender in the draft. He has guarded all sorts of different types of players. He can switch. He can block shots. He's got great length, active hands, and is a quick leaper.

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Offensively... not so much.

Real Madrid has a lot of established offensive players, so they never run any plays for Garuba. So he's really just limited to setting screens, spotting up, and cutting for lobs. He can pass, but he's pretty limited as a ball handler and doesn't have much touch. Not a very good shooter.

Defensively I think he can step in right now and make a significant impact, but he's at least 2 or 3 years away (if ever) from being a positive contributor on offense IMO.

If you like Barnes, and a lot of people think he could go as high as 6, there's no reason to not like Garuba 10-12 picks later.

I probably wouldn't pick Garuba with the Bulls pick. That's a little too rich for me, but I like him in that 15-20 range.
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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#868 » by RookieStar » Sun May 30, 2021 3:49 am

OrlChamps2030 wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
OrlChamps2030 wrote:


Ah yes.. obviously a famous European player groomed by the like of RM,Barcelona and etc since 10yrs old?


So like an improved Jokic? Very specific haha

Let me know if you find one of those guys :lol:

I think Hammond is still looking for 7 foot PGs in Greece’s third division.. he’s gotta find one eventually right guys


lol Not really specific. Could be Luka, could be Jokic, could be Ben Simmons if he moved to Europe, gain 30lbs of fat and change his name to Simmonovic or something while giving his birth cert the Ibaka/Thon treatment. just kidding.
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Post#869 » by KillMonger » Sun May 30, 2021 3:51 am

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Magic Mops wrote:As i am from Europe i watch a lot of european basketball.

I know that both Sengün and Garuba are not the sexiest picks for the Magic fans in the States but both guys are very skilled basketball players.

They played against grown men in professional basketball leagues and did a very good Job.


I'm one of the biggest Şengün fans on the board and would have no issue whatsoever picking him with the Bulls pick. I think the 3PT shooting is absolutely going to develop and he's going to be an excellent offensive player. He might struggle defensively for a bit, but I really think he's going to make it work offensively.

Garuba is a great defensive prospect. I would put him just barely below Scottie Barnes as the best defender in the draft. He has guarded all sorts of different types of players. He can switch. He can block shots. He's got great length, active hands, and is a quick leaper.

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Offensively... not so much.

Real Madrid has a lot of established offensive players, so they never run any plays for Garuba. So he's really just limited to setting screens, spotting up, and cutting for lobs. He can pass, but he's pretty limited as a ball handler and doesn't have much touch. Not a very good shooter.

Defensively I think he can step in right now and make a significant impact, but he's at least 2 or 3 years away (if ever) from being a positive contributor on offense IMO.

If you like Barnes, and a lot of people think he could go as high as 6, there's no reason to not like Garuba 10-12 picks later.

I probably wouldn't pick Garuba with the Bulls pick. That's a little too rich for me, but I like him in that 15-20 range.

so........like....khem birch 2.0? 1.5? 1.0? or just khem birch?
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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#870 » by Knightro » Sun May 30, 2021 4:10 am

KillMonger wrote:so........like....khem birch 2.0? 1.5? 1.0? or just khem birch?


Nah... better than Birch. Garuba at age 19 is much more capable of defending at a high level in space than Birch has ever been at any point.

Birch is a solid backup C who plays with energy, but he always struggled defensively when he played PF and he had to chase guys side to side.

Garuba looks capable of defending 2s, 3s and 4s with quick enough hands and feet to switch onto some point guards and enough strength to switch onto some centers (albeit both in very limited doses).
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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#871 » by Magic Mops » Sun May 30, 2021 5:06 am

Knightro wrote:
Magic Mops wrote:As i am from Europe i watch a lot of european basketball.

I know that both Sengün and Garuba are not the sexiest picks for the Magic fans in the States but both guys are very skilled basketball players.

They played against grown men in professional basketball leagues and did a very good Job.


I'm one of the biggest Şengün fans on the board and would have no issue whatsoever picking him with the Bulls pick. I think the 3PT shooting is absolutely going to develop and he's going to be an excellent offensive player. He might struggle defensively for a bit, but I really think he's going to make it work offensively.

Garuba is a great defensive prospect. I would put him just barely below Scottie Barnes as the best defender in the draft. He has guarded all sorts of different types of players. He can switch. He can block shots. He's got great length, active hands, and is a quick leaper.

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Offensively... not so much.

Real Madrid has a lot of established offensive players, so they never run any plays for Garuba. So he's really just limited to setting screens, spotting up, and cutting for lobs. He can pass, but he's pretty limited as a ball handler and doesn't have much touch. Not a very good shooter.

Defensively I think he can step in right now and make a significant impact, but he's at least 2 or 3 years away (if ever) from being a positive contributor on offense IMO.

If you like Barnes, and a lot of people think he could go as high as 6, there's no reason to not like Garuba 10-12 picks later.

I probably wouldn't pick Garuba with the Bulls pick. That's a little too rich for me, but I like him in that 15-20 range.

Great post Sir.

I like your arguments.



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In the video above you see that Garuba develops also on offense.
His shooting mechanics look good.

As for Barnes i like him.

Barnes is one of those players who can do it all on the basketball court. 
He’s listed as a small forward but he’s got the size to defend in the paint and the skills to initiate the offense. 

He spends most of his minutes running the point for FSU, showing off his elite passing vision and feel for the game.

Barnes is generally mocked in the top 10 of most mocks but we see him having even higher upside and a chance to break into the top 5.

Scottie is a competitor who gives great effort and plays the game the right way. Essentially he’s a 6-9 point guard who can guard 4 or 5 positions. 

Physical profile: length, strength, positional size and powerful build

Competes on every possession and makes a lot of hustle plays

Has a great feel for the game and flashes point guard skills

Has an advanced understanding of the nuances of the game – impressive for such a young player

Gets out in transition well – can fill in the wing or lead the fast break

Has tons of defensive versatility and amazing footwork on the perimeter

Has enough strength to bang in the paint and uses his length to compete for rebounds

Very agile and quick for a big forward. Has shown more athleticism and vertical pop than we saw in high school

Has quick hands and feet and can really defend in space – can lock down smaller players on the perimeter and can pick up full court

Still working on his outside shot and needs to get more consistent from the FT line

Even without the 3pt shot he’s a great player but if he adds this skill to his game he’ll be a complete nightmare to defend
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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#872 » by Magic Mops » Sun May 30, 2021 1:56 pm

Usman is evolving on offense.
A lot of potential,



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Post#873 » by The Effect » Sun May 30, 2021 9:23 pm

Knightro wrote:
Magic Mops wrote:As i am from Europe i watch a lot of european basketball.

I know that both Sengün and Garuba are not the sexiest picks for the Magic fans in the States but both guys are very skilled basketball players.

They played against grown men in professional basketball leagues and did a very good Job.


I'm one of the biggest Şengün fans on the board and would have no issue whatsoever picking him with the Bulls pick. I think the 3PT shooting is absolutely going to develop and he's going to be an excellent offensive player. He might struggle defensively for a bit, but I really think he's going to make it work offensively.

Garuba is a great defensive prospect. I would put him just barely below Scottie Barnes as the best defender in the draft. He has guarded all sorts of different types of players. He can switch. He can block shots. He's got great length, active hands, and is a quick leaper.

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Offensively... not so much.

Real Madrid has a lot of established offensive players, so they never run any plays for Garuba. So he's really just limited to setting screens, spotting up, and cutting for lobs. He can pass, but he's pretty limited as a ball handler and doesn't have much touch. Not a very good shooter.

Defensively I think he can step in right now and make a significant impact, but he's at least 2 or 3 years away (if ever) from being a positive contributor on offense IMO.

If you like Barnes, and a lot of people think he could go as high as 6, there's no reason to not like Garuba 10-12 picks later.

I probably wouldn't pick Garuba with the Bulls pick. That's a little too rich for me, but I like him in that 15-20 range.



No thanks, sorry but i wouldnt waste a pick this kinda guy. Every few years theres one of these guys who tricks an NBA team into thinking hes a lotto pick. Uber athletic defensive international player with a "developing" offensive game.... of which, ive only seen one of these guys actually pan out recently, Giannis.
Why bother drafting this guy when you can probably trade a future 2nd rounder to the pistons for the exact same player, Sekou Doumouya. Or give the celtics back one of their future 2nds for Guerschon Yabusele. Is Thon Maker still on a team, maybe we can sign him? We can even go back alot further and add Bismack to this list

People on here are convinced that defense is some unteachable skill and that anyone can learn to play offense, sorry but its alot easier to teach someone to stay infront of his guy than it is to teach someone to dribble or shoot
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Post#874 » by RookieStar » Sun May 30, 2021 10:08 pm

The Effect wrote:
Knightro wrote:
Magic Mops wrote:As i am from Europe i watch a lot of european basketball.

I know that both Sengün and Garuba are not the sexiest picks for the Magic fans in the States but both guys are very skilled basketball players.

They played against grown men in professional basketball leagues and did a very good Job.


I'm one of the biggest Şengün fans on the board and would have no issue whatsoever picking him with the Bulls pick. I think the 3PT shooting is absolutely going to develop and he's going to be an excellent offensive player. He might struggle defensively for a bit, but I really think he's going to make it work offensively.

Garuba is a great defensive prospect. I would put him just barely below Scottie Barnes as the best defender in the draft. He has guarded all sorts of different types of players. He can switch. He can block shots. He's got great length, active hands, and is a quick leaper.

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Offensively... not so much.

Real Madrid has a lot of established offensive players, so they never run any plays for Garuba. So he's really just limited to setting screens, spotting up, and cutting for lobs. He can pass, but he's pretty limited as a ball handler and doesn't have much touch. Not a very good shooter.

Defensively I think he can step in right now and make a significant impact, but he's at least 2 or 3 years away (if ever) from being a positive contributor on offense IMO.

If you like Barnes, and a lot of people think he could go as high as 6, there's no reason to not like Garuba 10-12 picks later.

I probably wouldn't pick Garuba with the Bulls pick. That's a little too rich for me, but I like him in that 15-20 range.



No thanks, sorry but i wouldnt waste a pick this kinda guy. Every few years theres one of these guys who tricks an NBA team into thinking hes a lotto pick. Uber athletic defensive international player with a "developing" offensive game.... of which, ive only seen one of these guys actually pan out recently, Giannis.
Why bother drafting this guy when you can probably trade a future 2nd rounder to the pistons for the exact same player, Sekou Doumouya. Or give the celtics back one of their future 2nds for Guerschon Yabusele. Is Thon Maker still on a team, maybe we can sign him? We can even go back alot further and add Bismack to this list

People on here are convinced that defense is some unteachable skill and that anyone can learn to play offense, sorry but its alot easier to teach someone to stay infront of his guy than it is to teach someone to dribble or shoot


Agree with you here. If JJ , with his physical limitations, developed to be a decent defender, why not even an average height, average wingspan with average athleticism be developed as well?

So many teams were fooled n drafting that super-athletic, raw, just needs to be developed etc etc archetype already... I mean, where are they even now in the league? Giannis is the exception not the norm. I remember almost a decade ago where the league was looking for the next Dirk.. we had a lot of Tchvicvili(??), Yi , heck any 7 foot Euro that dribbles and take jump shots. Dirk is the exception not the norm.

That's personally why Im not so high on this Garuba and Sengun. Both of them are "supposedly" the archetype of what the league is looking for next but Im not convinced with their limitations now.
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Post#875 » by CZ Eddie » Sun May 30, 2021 11:39 pm

I'm sold on Usman for summer league and maybe beyond. Those videos were fun to watch.

Plus, other Usman is a great MMA fighter.
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Post#876 » by The Effect » Mon May 31, 2021 3:49 am

RookieStar wrote:
The Effect wrote:
Knightro wrote:
I'm one of the biggest Şengün fans on the board and would have no issue whatsoever picking him with the Bulls pick. I think the 3PT shooting is absolutely going to develop and he's going to be an excellent offensive player. He might struggle defensively for a bit, but I really think he's going to make it work offensively.

Garuba is a great defensive prospect. I would put him just barely below Scottie Barnes as the best defender in the draft. He has guarded all sorts of different types of players. He can switch. He can block shots. He's got great length, active hands, and is a quick leaper.

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Offensively... not so much.

Real Madrid has a lot of established offensive players, so they never run any plays for Garuba. So he's really just limited to setting screens, spotting up, and cutting for lobs. He can pass, but he's pretty limited as a ball handler and doesn't have much touch. Not a very good shooter.

Defensively I think he can step in right now and make a significant impact, but he's at least 2 or 3 years away (if ever) from being a positive contributor on offense IMO.

If you like Barnes, and a lot of people think he could go as high as 6, there's no reason to not like Garuba 10-12 picks later.

I probably wouldn't pick Garuba with the Bulls pick. That's a little too rich for me, but I like him in that 15-20 range.



No thanks, sorry but i wouldnt waste a pick this kinda guy. Every few years theres one of these guys who tricks an NBA team into thinking hes a lotto pick. Uber athletic defensive international player with a "developing" offensive game.... of which, ive only seen one of these guys actually pan out recently, Giannis.
Why bother drafting this guy when you can probably trade a future 2nd rounder to the pistons for the exact same player, Sekou Doumouya. Or give the celtics back one of their future 2nds for Guerschon Yabusele. Is Thon Maker still on a team, maybe we can sign him? We can even go back alot further and add Bismack to this list

People on here are convinced that defense is some unteachable skill and that anyone can learn to play offense, sorry but its alot easier to teach someone to stay infront of his guy than it is to teach someone to dribble or shoot


Agree with you here. If JJ , with his physical limitations, developed to be a decent defender, why not even an average height, average wingspan with average athleticism be developed as well?

So many teams were fooled n drafting that super-athletic, raw, just needs to be developed etc etc archetype already... I mean, where are they even now in the league? Giannis is the exception not the norm. I remember almost a decade ago where the league was looking for the next Dirk.. we had a lot of Tchvicvili(??), Yi , heck any 7 foot Euro that dribbles and take jump shots. Dirk is the exception not the norm.

That's personally why Im not so high on this Garuba and Sengun. Both of them are "supposedly" the archetype of what the league is looking for next but Im not convinced with their limitations now.


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Post#877 » by KillMonger » Mon May 31, 2021 6:16 am

Why June 22nd? Should’ve been before the playoffs


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Post#878 » by basketballRob » Mon May 31, 2021 10:32 am

Wonder if Cole, Chuma, and RJ go to Vegas for summer league?

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Post#879 » by tiderulz » Mon May 31, 2021 12:46 pm

basketballRob wrote:Wonder if Cole, Chuma, and RJ go to Vegas for summer league?

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Post#880 » by RookieStar » Mon May 31, 2021 9:39 pm

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basketballRob wrote:Wonder if Cole, Chuma, and RJ go to Vegas for summer league?

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they were all rookies last year. they should


Yeah but usually rookies with that high usage are kept from the SL no? Especially since this would make it their *second* summer league ( yea I know they haven't had their first experience yet)

But I wouldn't be mad if I don't see them in the SL. I saw them already in regular games. Im excited to see Cade , Wagner and Hurt play in our team ( Im speaking it into existence )

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