Gilbert to Orlando heating up

BassMaster · Post #881 » by **BassMaster** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:23 pm

gino_giode wrote:Jeez, what is with Otis' infatuation with Hedo? He has gotten all the chances to be a playmaker in TO and Phoenix. The guy is just disinterested out there. He played out of his mind in a contract year--BIG SURPRISE!

And can someone tell me why Phoenix would swap Vince for JRich? Don't they still want to make the playoffs? And why would they take Gortat? Lopez is a much better C, and Frye is often their shooting big.

What you forget is that Hedo played really well with SVG's system. The problem for Hedo is that same system was not at Toronto nor with the Suns. Hedo fit's the Magic system to a capitol T.

That's why Otis likes Hedo.

BelgianMagic · Post #882 » by **BelgianMagic** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:24 pm

People are forgetting WHY we're interested in Arenas .. Gil is one of the most clutch players in the league. Couple of years ago, in close games, he's made some incredible shots ..

He is what we needed Vince to be and what Hedo was. Someone you can trust the ball with in the 4th quarter. Someone who isn't afraid to take and make big shots .. He's made tons of game-winners or buzzer-beaters ..

TheChaser · Post #883 » by **TheChaser** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:24 pm

Also, I know I've joked about it before, but can someone remind me how to change my avatar please?

TheChaser · Post #884 » by **TheChaser** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:25 pm

BelgianMagic wrote:People are forgetting WHY we're interested in Arenas .. Gil is one of the most clutch players in the league. Couple of years ago, in close games, he's made some incredible shots ..

He is what we needed Vince to be and what Hedo was. Someone you can trust the ball with in the 4th quarter. Someone who isn't afraid to take and make big shots .. He's made tons of game-winners or buzzer-beaters ..

And even though he's had injuries, he is only 28. Not about to draw social security.

SolidSnake008 · Post #885 » by **SolidSnake008** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:26 pm

man don't we have a game tonight? it's going to be awkward if the players supposedly being delt has to answer questions about trade rumors....looking for Vince to look into the camera and say "please don't trade me"

Birth of the Cool · Post #886 » by **Birth of the Cool** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:27 pm

If nothing happens by Monday evening/Tuesday morning I think it's dead. You don't hear this much chatter without the trigger being pulled soon thereafter.

Normally "big" trades are kept closer to the vest, and then "boom".
If a trade scenario has a lot of chatter for days on end it may be people within the organization "leaking info" trying to entice other GM's to call on the rumoured pieces moving.

Like I said on the GB. If Arenas is swapped for Lewis, Vince has to be the next trading piece BUT I still don't see how an Arenas/Nelson backcourt is any better than the one that is now (Vince is a better defender at the 2 guard spot than Arenas, Vince is a natural 2, Arenas takes even more jumpshots than Vince - 91% to 73% this year, Arenas would have the same problem Vince is having in fitting in with this unit - he would have to be an off the ball player which he isn't most effective as, unless SVG miraculously decides to change his offensive scheme and make Arenas the definite 2nd offensive option behind Dwight...).

Oddly I do think Arenas & Dwight have similar personalities (both "jokers" - I think Arenas 'downfall' as a person was highly overstated) which may reflect well on the court. It's Arenas chemistry with SVG/Nelson that would have me more concerned and his skillset at the 2 guard.

CourtsideTV · Post #887 » by **CourtsideTV** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:28 pm

TheChaser wrote:Also, I know I've joked about it before, but can someone remind me how to change my avatar please?

click on user control panel link then click on avatar and change the link

CourtsideTV · Post #888 » by **CourtsideTV** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:30 pm

Birth of the Cool wrote:If nothing happens by Monday evening/Tuesday morning I think it's dead. You don't hear this much chatter without the trigger being pulled soon thereafter.

Normally "big" trades are kept closer to the vest, and then "boom".
If a trade scenario has a lot of chatter for days on end it may be people within the organization "leaking info" trying to entice other GM's to call on the rumoured pieces moving.

Like I said on the GB. If Arenas is swapped for Lewis, Vince has to be the next trading piece BUT I still don't see how an Arenas/Nelson backcourt is any better than the one that is now (Vince is a better defender at the 2 guard spot than Arenas, Vince is a natural 2, Arenas takes even more jumpshots than Vince - 91% to 73% this year, Arenas would have the same problem Vince is having in fitting in with this unit - he would have to be an off the ball player which he isn't most effective as, unless SVG miraculously decides to change his offensive scheme and make Arenas the definite 2nd offensive option behind Dwight...).

Oddly I do think Arenas & Dwight have similar personalities (both "jokers" - I think Arenas 'downfall' as a person was highly overstated) which may reflect well on the court. It's Arenas chemistry with SVG/Nelson that would have me more concerned and his skillset at the 2 guard.

arenas and wall have been playing alright together.

tiderulz · Post #889 » by **tiderulz** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:30 pm

Last Guardian wrote:

Another delusional poster.

Lets start with your laughable point of calling him a PG. A career 5.6apg with 3.3 TOpg player is a PG? A guy who looks for his shot FAR more than Nelson does is a PG? I am sure you are one of the ones complaining about Nelson and you talk about playing Gil at PG. Wow. Not only does he chuck up shots but his assists/TO ratio is horrible. The guy is obviously a small shooting guard.

Not injury prone?

07-08: 13 games
08-09: 2 games
09-10: 32 games

Yea maybe it was 1 bad injury....that keep re-occuring. Ummm, thats injury prone.

And okay, sorry I got the years wrong. 1 extra year that we have of not winning anything and not having the money to get help for Dwight. Great idea.

so you include his suspension as part of his injuries?

And he is more of a PG than Nelson, especially considering that he averages more apg than Nelson and he has never had a dominant inside player to play with like Howard.

You have never heard me hate on Nelson for being a "chucker". But he isnt a great ball distributor and his game is more SG in a small PG's body. I get it, you hate Arenas. But your information is flawed on him too.

WillyJakkz · Post #890 » by **WillyJakkz** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:31 pm

Wake up w/ "morning wood" for this?

My first piss o' the day was more exciting than the news of no trade yet.

Seriously though:
We'll know who's traded by tonite (if not earlier) when we see who's not suiting up.

BassMaster · Post #891 » by **BassMaster** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:32 pm

Last Guardian wrote:
JustDwight wrote:I give a f^*^. He could be an integrate part of a championship winning team here and he's still marginally young at 28. I would dance in the rainy streets or Orlando today if we magically unload Lewis's contract and acquire Gil. DO IT OTIS!!

Lol. Arenas is a small SG who doesn't play defense. He jacks up shots at a low % and has never and will never be a legit playmaker.

You unload Lewis contract and basically get a similar contract back....but for 2 extra years.

And the best part is, he is a headcase and injury prone.

This would be an excellent trade for Orlando, no doubt!

For a moment there I thought you were talking about Nelson until you mentioned head case. The last time I recalled Nelson hasn't been the healthiest pg for the Magic.

Plus the last time I checked he was indeed playing better at pg then sg.

Oh yea you did forget to mention that he can play better defense then Nelson. Hmmm I wonder which of the pg's is going to be traded if he is brought on board. I don't see the Magic carrying 4 pg's.

Cammo101 · Post #892 » by **Cammo101** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:32 pm

My main problem if we do this deal is how do we cover Miami's wing players? Because we would certainly have to go through them in the playoffs.

cb1115 · Post #893 » by **cb1115** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:36 pm

Cammo101 wrote:My main problem if we do this deal is how do we cover Miami's wing players? Because we would certainly have to go through them in the playoffs.

Second trade for Iggy?

tiderulz · Post #894 » by **tiderulz** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:36 pm

Cammo101 wrote:My main problem if we do this deal is how do we cover Miami's wing players? Because we would certainly have to go through them in the playoffs.

well if it is Shard for Arenas (which i hope and not VC or some other combo) then we still have VC+Gortat+Pietrus or whoever to make that move.

Possibly follow with a SJax+Diaw+Nazr for Gortat+VC+Pietrus?

or Gortat+VC+Anderson/Bass for Brand+Iggy+Battie?

But i agree that we do need an upgrade at the wing position too.

Birth of the Cool · Post #895 » by **Birth of the Cool** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:37 pm

CourtsideTV wrote:
Birth of the Cool wrote:If nothing happens by Monday evening/Tuesday morning I think it's dead. You don't hear this much chatter without the trigger being pulled soon thereafter.

Normally "big" trades are kept closer to the vest, and then "boom".
If a trade scenario has a lot of chatter for days on end it may be people within the organization "leaking info" trying to entice other GM's to call on the rumoured pieces moving.

Like I said on the GB. If Arenas is swapped for Lewis, Vince has to be the next trading piece BUT I still don't see how an Arenas/Nelson backcourt is any better than the one that is now (Vince is a better defender at the 2 guard spot than Arenas, Vince is a natural 2, Arenas takes even more jumpshots than Vince - 91% to 73% this year, Arenas would have the same problem Vince is having in fitting in with this unit - he would have to be an off the ball player which he isn't most effective as, unless SVG miraculously decides to change his offensive scheme and make Arenas the definite 2nd offensive option behind Dwight...).

Oddly I do think Arenas & Dwight have similar personalities (both "jokers" - I think Arenas 'downfall' as a person was highly overstated) which may reflect well on the court. It's Arenas chemistry with SVG/Nelson that would have me more concerned and his skillset at the 2 guard.

arenas and wall have been playing alright together.

Vince and Nelson have been playing alright together too (Vince/Nelson combo playing better than Wall/Arenas combo even) but playing "alright" is not the goal here. The point is Arenas paired with Nelson makes the Magic defense even worse but also doesn't maximize Arenas talents (just like Vince's isn't maximized in this system & backcourt either). If change for change sake is what is needed to turn the team around then sure go for it but you're adding years & the incentive that Arenas could play "alright" with Nelson doesn't scream big advantage to Orlando for me....you think Magic fans are happy that Vince is playing "alright"...their frustrated but guys like eyeriq and Hilltop had shown why Vince has only been alright in this system. How does that change for Arenas? Same issues will arise as long as SVG system stays the same & Nelson's style remains the same.

showtimesam · Post #896 » by **showtimesam** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:37 pm

Bucks fan Here:

Would you consider: John Salmons, Corey Maggette, Drew Gooden, and our first round pick for vince carter and gortat?

It gives Orlando a bevy of wing players in Maggette and Salmons along with a nice compliment to Dwight in Gooden.

I can't see Arenas 20 million a year being a good move for any team in the NBA!

AdamTheGreek · Post #897 » by **AdamTheGreek** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:38 pm

MrMichaelLee Michael Lee
Stopped Gilbert Arenas on his way to the court for shootaround. Asked if he had anything to say, "You know I don't talk game days." #wizards

cb1115 · Post #898 » by **cb1115** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:39 pm

Me thinks he knows something.

Cammo101 · Post #899 » by **Cammo101** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:39 pm

Oddly enough, if we make the Arenas deal, I would then consider moving for Hedo. A Nelson/Arenas/Hedo/Bass/Howard lineup would mesh well IMO.

tiderulz · Post #900 » by **tiderulz** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:39 pm

CourtsideTV wrote:
Birth of the Cool wrote:If nothing happens by Monday evening/Tuesday morning I think it's dead. You don't hear this much chatter without the trigger being pulled soon thereafter.

Normally "big" trades are kept closer to the vest, and then "boom".
If a trade scenario has a lot of chatter for days on end it may be people within the organization "leaking info" trying to entice other GM's to call on the rumoured pieces moving.

Like I said on the GB. If Arenas is swapped for Lewis, Vince has to be the next trading piece BUT I still don't see how an Arenas/Nelson backcourt is any better than the one that is now (Vince is a better defender at the 2 guard spot than Arenas, Vince is a natural 2, Arenas takes even more jumpshots than Vince - 91% to 73% this year, Arenas would have the same problem Vince is having in fitting in with this unit - he would have to be an off the ball player which he isn't most effective as, unless SVG miraculously decides to change his offensive scheme and make Arenas the definite 2nd offensive option behind Dwight...).

Oddly I do think Arenas & Dwight have similar personalities (both "jokers" - I think Arenas 'downfall' as a person was highly overstated) which may reflect well on the court. It's Arenas chemistry with SVG/Nelson that would have me more concerned and his skillset at the 2 guard.

arenas and wall have been playing alright together.

actually they havent. Arenas has done much better while Wall has been out hurt and he was playing the PG position.