Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIII: Offseason Edition)

[magic04life]

Kind of a random question, but if the Nets are able to get a top three pick in the Draft Lottery, does that pick still go to Portland? Is their first-round pick protected this summer?

The reason I ask is because I was wondering if they could include that pick in a trade for Dwight (if we trade Dwight there).

Nevermind, I found it and NJ's pick is indeed top-three protected.

Here's a new question though, if Brooklyn is able to land the top pick, do they trade that #1 pick for Dwight?

Also, do you think they could get away with trading for Dwight without giving up the #1 pick if they win the lottery?

[Truth24]

Kind of a random question, but if the Nets are able to get a top three pick in the Draft Lottery, does that pick still go to Portland? Is their first-round pick protected this summer?

The reason I ask is because I was wondering if they could include that pick in a trade for Dwight (if we trade Dwight there).

Nevermind, I found it and NJ's pick is indeed top-three protected.

Here's a new question though, if Brooklyn is able to land the top pick, do they trade that #1 pick for Dwight?

Also, do you think they could get away with trading for Dwight without giving up the #1 pick if they win the lottery?

This is a tough one but if Dwight refuses to sign long term and Brooklyn wins the lottery, it is a must for me for them to include that pick. I would want something like a Lopez, Brooks, top 3 pick and that is the only deal I look at from Brooklyn. I know it would be tough losing Howard but if we got Anthony Davis and Brook Lopez it wouldn't be that bad.

[thelead]

@T25
SVG with the Magic = 66% Winning Percentage

SVG with the Heat = 60% Winning Percentage

Dwight here, wade in Miami. What's your point? He has had top ten players in both situations.

[T25]

@T25
SVG with the Magic = 66% Winning Percentage

SVG with the Heat = 60% Winning Percentage

With 2 of type 5 players in the NBA and your point is. This whole forum can coach a .600 winning % with any one of those two...

[T25]

This...To SVG supporters, do u think SVG would have an almost .700 winning % without Dwight? What was he like 2-8 without him.

im not a SVG apologist, but big surprise that a team the GM built to be designed around a superstar on offense and defense had a losing record without that star. Remind me how Cleveland did without Lebron?

Otis gave SVG jump shooters and no defenders, and had to rely on Dwight for double teams to get Magic players open and Dwight to help defend entire opposing teams. I'm more surprised that he won 2 games.

I agree most of our problems are Otis Smith. My only complaint about SVG is he is to stubborn with his rotations and style of play. He gets out coached on adjustments everytime, but In his defense he doesn't have a roster to work with.

[arsenal6106]

@T25
SVG with the Magic = 66% Winning Percentage

SVG with the Heat = 60% Winning Percentage

Dwight here, wade in Miami. What's your point? He has had top ten players in both situations.

My point is that SVG has been successful without D12. Sure he had Wade in Miami, but it was during his rookie and sophomore year. It's careless to put any weight into SVG's record in Orlando(without Dwight). Once again, you would be dealing with a very small sample and it wouldn't be telling the whole story.

With 2 of type 5 players in the NBA and your point is. This whole forum can coach a .600 winning % with any one of those two...

- T25

I don't now how to approach this statement b/c I'm not sure if you're serious or not.

If you really do have that mindset, then you are completely devaluing the importance of a coach in the NBA.

I see in another post that you are somewhat understanding with the lack of talent Otis Smith has surrounded SVG and Dwight with...


Edit: I don't want to turn this thread into a SVG debate, so I will no longer be commenting on this.

[NickAnderson]

Also, do you think they could get away with trading for Dwight without giving up the #1 pick if they win the lottery?

I'd do that in a heartbeat.

[magic04life]

Also, do you think they could get away with trading for Dwight without giving up the #1 pick if they win the lottery?

I'd do that in a heartbeat.

I agree. I think Anthony Davis is the real deal, much like Dwight was.

You trade Dwight, and rebuild around Davis, much like the way we traded T-Mac and drafted Dwight in the same summer.

[Def Swami]

What I don't understand is how Brook Lopez fits into this. He's a RFA. He'd technically have to agree to signing any new deal with the team he is traded to. What if he doesn't agree to sign in ORL? And chances are the Nets don't get a lottery pick. Are we stuck with Marshon Brooks (who is a scrub imo) for Dwight?

[MMFla]

I could see more teams trying to get Dwight this summer, last summer it was short due to the lockout and trading for him at the trading deadline in which they would have got a "half" year rental(he didn't sign the opt-in till like the last day). Teams now will get a full off-season to talk about trades and will get a full season if healthy of Dwight.

I for one hope he stays, I hated the drama that surrounded this team but I have hope that we can salvage it and get back to being contenders.

[gp123]

I don't quite understand what juice Alex thinks he can squeeze with ultimatums, or why... if the only option was the nets in the end anyway, then we should have traded him earlier for there crap package and tanked for a good spot in this draft.

Its not like Lopez is A.) "The Guy" and B.) he's about to get paid himself, so what does he solve? Bynum could be the guy, but his FA is coming up to so thats useless.

could this be GSW's master plan all along, taking the ultimate risk renting dwight by offering Bogut? Otis conspiracy I tell you.

[Bensational]

this team shouldn't be demanding anyone sign an extension as long as Hedo, JRich and Duhon are on the roster. once they void the team of the those screw ups without taking back worse contractual cancers, then we can start talking about guys having faith in the direction of this roster.

until then, when your biggest change is a reluctant trade for a guy that the team only made to console Dwight - and who turns out to be the best player on the roster in the playoffs once Dwight goes down, then the team hasn't got any kind of credentials as to why someone should buy into their plan and philosophy.

[WeAreVenom]

this team shouldn't be demanding anyone sign an extension as long as Hedo, JRich and Duhon are on the roster. once they void the team of the those screw ups without taking back worse contractual cancers, then we can start talking about guys having faith in the direction of this roster.

until then, when your biggest change is a reluctant trade for a guy that the team only made to console Dwight - and who turns out to be the best player on the roster in the playoffs once Dwight goes down, then the team hasn't got any kind of credentials as to why someone should buy into their plan and philosophy.

This.

If we are questioning the team's ability (and some of us, even willingness) to improve the team, then you can only imagine how Dwight feels.

Fact is, Dwight has seen nothing that shows that things are going to improve......why should he feel any different now than he did in November? We're exactly the same...

[mhectorgato]

this team shouldn't be demanding anyone sign an extension as long as Hedo, JRich and Duhon are on the roster. once they void the team of the those screw ups without taking back worse contractual cancers, then we can start talking about guys having faith in the direction of this roster.

until then, when your biggest change is a reluctant trade for a guy that the team only made to console Dwight - and who turns out to be the best player on the roster in the playoffs once Dwight goes down, then the team hasn't got any kind of credentials as to why someone should buy into their plan and philosophy.

Were it me (as in ownership) ... After I get a new GM, I would require to sign an extension before (continuing to) building around him.

No way I would my team through this whole fiasco again. For all we know we could make all kinds of change and he says "Thanks, I'd rather be in Brooklyn".

There's no guarantee that if we make considerable changes, he's definitely staying here.

[PistolP]

Thoughts on acquiring Boozer? He can be had for minimal assets.

[WeAreVenom]

Thoughts on acquiring Boozer? He can be had for minimal assets.

Nah, no thanks. We've had our fill of biig contracts for a little while.....

[OrlChamps2030]

this team shouldn't be demanding anyone sign an extension as long as Hedo, JRich and Duhon are on the roster. once they void the team of the those screw ups without taking back worse contractual cancers, then we can start talking about guys having faith in the direction of this roster.

until then, when your biggest change is a reluctant trade for a guy that the team only made to console Dwight - and who turns out to be the best player on the roster in the playoffs once Dwight goes down, then the team hasn't got any kind of credentials as to why someone should buy into their plan and philosophy.

Were it me (as in ownership) ... After I get a new GM, I would require to sign an extension before (continuing to) building around him.

No way I would my team through this whole fiasco again. For all we know we could make all kinds of change and he says "Thanks, I'd rather be in Brooklyn".

There's no guarantee that if we make considerable changes, he's definitely staying here.

This right here^^^

One of the best and most sensible posters on this forum IMO. (mhectorgato)

Show me the extension, I'll show you rebuilding.

Rebuilding is not a one year process at all, so for those of you who think Dwight should hold out until we "build a contender"...well he won't be under contract anymore by that point. And that is a huge gamble.

No one has a read on what Dwight is thinking. For all we know, like mhector said, we could just begin our rebuild around Dwight process, and then next season he just leaves for Brooklyn or Dallas. No commitment, you gotta go.

[trebone]

^ Well mine and I think most peoples idea of rebuilding for our team is finding a way to rid ourselves of Hedo, Jrich and Duhon, so with that in mind I dont personally think it matters at this point if Dwight signs an extension or not.

I would almost rather Dwight not sign an extension which would be easily for the max, when we have an opportunity to go into next offseason with significant capspace where Dwight can agree to take a bit less to sign another legit player or 2 at reduced salary to have a real shot at wining. If Dwight/Iggy/monta agree to take a combined 40 mil we still may have a shot for keeping ryan at 6 per

Monta
JJ - reduced deal
Iggy
Anderson
Dwight

Thats a title team

[OrlandO]

Meanwhile inside the mind of Daniel Orton...

Daniel Orton @danielorton21

Crazy, didn't realize the Indian dude from short circuit isn't really Indian til today.......

[arsenal6106]

Meanwhile inside the mind of Daniel Orton...

Daniel Orton @danielorton21

Crazy, didn't realize the Indian dude from short circuit isn't really Indian til today.......

Wow, I didn't know that either.