25th Anniversary season Game 1: Magic vs Pacers

[BadMofoPimp]

For the record, Nicholson looked decent on defense last night and his footwork definitely looked improve on the defensive positioning end. He was at least being aggressive on the D to me.

[Optimus_Steel]

The problem with evaluating Vaughn is we really don't know if he's trying or if he is tank commanding. If he's tank commanding, which he did last year without a doubt, than he's doing a great job. He plays guys and after they have success, he sits them down and tries to let other guys have success. What's better? In terms of overall development, what's better? Nicholson scoring 30 or Nicholson scoring 18 and someone else having the chance to score 18?

UN stands for UNDERMINING!

Normally I would agree with you, problem is that AN was playing terrific defense in the first half.

[Neato]

The problem with evaluating Vaughn is we really don't know if he's trying or if he is tank commanding. If he's tank commanding, which he did last year without a doubt, than he's doing a great job. He plays guys and after they have success, he sits them down and tries to let other guys have success. What's better? In terms of overall development, what's better? Nicholson scoring 30 or Nicholson scoring 18 and someone else having the chance to score 18?

so you think it's a developmental tactic to sit Nicholson down for long periods in favor of maxiell? while he's at it, maybe jv can continue to run the same predictable routine on offense since he's so high on development.

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i'm also super excited to see moore have greater developmental opportunities than dipo

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i'm also super excited to see moore have greater developmental opportunities than dipo

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[OrlandO]

i'm also super excited to see moore have greater developmental opportunities than dipo

[Neon1]

Well Moore had the teams 2nd lowest plus/minus and on/off last year so gotta make sure he is on the court plenty of minutes.

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lmao the wiretap wants in on the ribbing

[BadMofoPimp]

I like Moore more than Afflalo. He really isn't that bad to me as a backup. Plus, he has the experience of starting games before and knows Vaughns system. Oladipo didn't play that good last night. But, neither did anyone else outside of Nicholson.

[Orlwillbeback]

I like Moore more than Afflalo. He really isn't that bad to me as a backup. Plus, he has the experience of starting games before and knows Vaughns system. Oladipo didn't play that good last night. But, neither did anyone else outside of Nicholson.

If Oladipo played bad then Moore was flat out awful.

Oladipo and Nicholson were the only guys who could get anything goin offensively last night, cept for hark in garbage minutes.

[BadMofoPimp]

I like Moore more than Afflalo. He really isn't that bad to me as a backup. Plus, he has the experience of starting games before and knows Vaughns system. Oladipo didn't play that good last night. But, neither did anyone else outside of Nicholson.

If Oladipo played bad then Moore was flat out awful.

Oladipo and Nicholson were the only guys who could get anything goin offensively last night, cept for hark in garbage minutes.

I am a huge Oladipo fan, but he wasn't getting much going last night. He was blindly attacking the rim and getting easily blocked by bigs most of the time. He really was out of control, but was still fun to watch due to his athleticism. Regardless, he will get it together and not play too fast where he is so out of control. Moore was not that bad, but should not have played that many minutes regardless.

[Orlwillbeback]

I like Moore more than Afflalo. He really isn't that bad to me as a backup. Plus, he has the experience of starting games before and knows Vaughns system. Oladipo didn't play that good last night. But, neither did anyone else outside of Nicholson.

If Oladipo played bad then Moore was flat out awful.

Oladipo and Nicholson were the only guys who could get anything goin offensively last night, cept for hark in garbage minutes.

I am a huge Oladipo fan, but he wasn't getting much going last night. He was blindly attacking the rim and getting easily blocked by bigs most of the time. He really was out of control, but was still fun to watch due to his athleticism. Regardless, he will get it together and not play too fast where he is so out of control. Moore was not that bad, but should not have played that many minutes regardless.

Lol at least he was attacking the rim. Not every team is going to have roy hibbert guarding the rim, and even roy hibbert isnt going to have 6 blocks in the first 22 minutes. Oladipo was playing fine and getting to the line and making jumpshots. Even in his off night he still shot a better percentage than Jameer, Afflalo, Maxiell and Vucevic.

The turnovers he got were palming calls, he was not playing out of control.

[BadMofoPimp]

I am a huge Oladipo fan, but he wasn't getting much going last night. He was blindly attacking the rim and getting easily blocked by bigs most of the time. He really was out of control, but was still fun to watch due to his athleticism. Regardless, he will get it together and not play too fast where he is so out of control. Moore was not that bad, but should not have played that many minutes regardless.

Lol at least he was attacking the rim. Not every team is going to have roy hibbert guarding the rim, and even roy hibbert isnt going to have 6 blocks in the first 22 minutes. Oladipo was playing fine and getting to the line and making jumpshots. Even in his off night he still shot a better percentage than Jameer, Afflalo, Maxiell and Vucevic.

The turnovers he got were palming calls, he was not playing out of control.

Oladipo was playing out of control. Turning the ball over that much and going straight up against 7' footers getting your shot very easily blocked is really out of control.

I get tired of fans that can only remember the 2-5 great plays and will dismiss the 10 bad plays a player makes just because they want a player to succeed so badly. Then, they cry when that player is not "getting enough minutes". Well, coach see's everything, not just the good plays.

FYI. It takes time. It is rare for players to just dominate from the get go and be legit starters. Not everyone is a Shaq or Jordan. Most players have to earn their stripes the hard way.

[SOUL]

3 turnovers where 2 are 'palming' aka bull isn't turning the ball over that much.

ALSO HE'S A ROOKIE PLAYING HIS FIRST GAME. The fact that he is attacking a defense as good as Indiana is a GREAT thing - and he'll learn when and where to attack instead of just going up against Hibbert/Mahinmi and losing because he's not creating good contact.

I don't call that playing bad - it's a learning experience, and he still got 12/2/3. A very successful night as far as I'm concerned.

[Orlwillbeback]

I am a huge Oladipo fan, but he wasn't getting much going last night. He was blindly attacking the rim and getting easily blocked by bigs most of the time. He really was out of control, but was still fun to watch due to his athleticism. Regardless, he will get it together and not play too fast where he is so out of control. Moore was not that bad, but should not have played that many minutes regardless.

Lol at least he was attacking the rim. Not every team is going to have roy hibbert guarding the rim, and even roy hibbert isnt going to have 6 blocks in the first 22 minutes. Oladipo was playing fine and getting to the line and making jumpshots. Even in his off night he still shot a better percentage than Jameer, Afflalo, Maxiell and Vucevic.

The turnovers he got were palming calls, he was not playing out of control.

Oladipo was playing out of control. Turning the ball over that much and going straight up against 7' footers getting your shot very easily blocked is really out of control.

I get tired of fans that can only remember the 2-5 great plays and will dismiss the 10 bad plays a player makes just because they want a player to succeed so badly. Then, they cry when that player is not "getting enough minutes". Well, coach see's everything, not just the good plays.

FYI. It takes time. It is rare for players to just dominate from the get go and be legit starters. Not everyone is a Shaq or Jordan. Most players have to earn their stripes the hard way.

Oladipo got called for a few palming calls but in my opinion playing out of control is making bad passes and driving into double teams. He was not doing that.

And just because a team has a 7 footer doesnt mean you dont attack the rim because of it. You have to challenge a shotblocker and force them to make a play. If Oladipo was playing out of control and still managed 12 points in 23 minutes then he's got to be doing something right.

[BadMofoPimp]

Oladipo got called for a few palming calls but in my opinion playing out of control is making bad passes and driving into double teams. He was not doing that.

And just because a team has a 7 footer doesnt mean you dont attack the rim because of it. You have to challenge a shotblocker and force them to make a play. If Oladipo was playing out of control and still managed 12 points in 23 minutes then he's got to be doing something right.

FYI. Oladipo drove into double teams of Bigs multiple times, lol. And, some of the blocks he was not even close to making a basket or having a good shot. Actually, they were horrible shot choices. But, they sure were fun to watch him at least try them.

But, there is no way in hell do I want him to attack the rim against two bigs like that ever. That just reminds me of how Afflalo and Meer play by being chuckers.

That is not a way to win games. If we just give him the ball like that and say go, then he will be no better than lets say Stephan Starbury, Brandon Jennings or Stevie Franchise. I still have hope for Jennings tho.

[SOUL]

Attacking the rim is not chucking. Like I said, you have to be smart when going up against DPOY candidates like Hibbert but it's great he has an attack mode.

It's not like we weren't the WORST FT DRAWING TEAM IN THE HISTORY OF THE NBA last year.

[MagicStarwipe]

What the hell? Attacking the rim is exactly what Dipo should be doing. He's an explosive athlete. He was able to get to the line a couple times last night by doing just that. Plus the time George blocked him was a clear goaltend anyway.

[NickAnderson]

Yeah he should be attacking, we haven't had anyone with a first step like that in a long time and that can get to the line. I'd rather him do that then contested two's.

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[The1llness]

Hopefully Vaugh is just the coach Hennigan hired to be a stopgap during the tanking years and when its finally time to compete they come in and get a real coach.

Kind of like how Clay Bennett hired PJ Carlesimo to torpedo the final season in Seattle and promptly fired him when they got to OKC.