Official Spec Thread: I guess now's the time to blow this dumpster fire up and bask in the glow!

[Bensational]

i just don't understand the appeal of wanting your best perimeter defender to be stuck in the paint....I could only stomach JI at center maybe in certain lineups but never full time

For me the idea is that he becomes the switch man on PnRs in a very pick heavy league, which actually means he’s picking up the biggest perimeter threat on the perimeter each of those times.

But also having him defend Cs allows him to sag and help off the bigs who aren’t great shooters, and roam the middle for help.

[KillMonger]

i just don't understand the appeal of wanting your best perimeter defender to be stuck in the paint....I could only stomach JI at center maybe in certain lineups but never full time

For me the idea is that he becomes the switch man on PnRs in a very pick heavy league, which actually means he’s picking up the biggest perimeter threat on the perimeter each of those times.

But also having him defend Cs allows him to sag and help off the bigs who aren’t great shooters, and roam the middle for help.

that is true in general but that is not indicative to how clifford does things....the center in his scheme is always in drop coverage, i'm not confident in clifford changing his schemes to fit the roster simply because he really hasn't yet....i much rather have JI in the role he is now....he can roam, be the tremendous help defender he is and erase mistakes.....cause deflections and be a factor in transition putting pressure on the defense....i just couldn't imagine sticking all that defensive versatility in drop coverage stuck in the paint in clifford's scheme at center.....maybe it's the same reason why Giannis doesn't play center full time even though he could

[J the Drafter]

The biggest problem I have with putting Isaac at center is that while he has the length of a five, he has the weight and muscle of a small forward. It could possibly work regardless—and it offers some intriguing advantages—but it’s not a given that Isaac excels there, especially against strong post players/rebounders. (And we want to make sure that knee is completely healthy before we start telling Isaac to guard players two positions bigger than him.)

If we don’t see Isaac at center, I’m certain size will be the reason why not.

[Bensational]

i just don't understand the appeal of wanting your best perimeter defender to be stuck in the paint....I could only stomach JI at center maybe in certain lineups but never full time

For me the idea is that he becomes the switch man on PnRs in a very pick heavy league, which actually means he’s picking up the biggest perimeter threat on the perimeter each of those times.

But also having him defend Cs allows him to sag and help off the bigs who aren’t great shooters, and roam the middle for help.

that is true in general but that is not indicative to how clifford does things....the center in his scheme is always in drop coverage, i'm not confident in clifford changing his schemes to fit the roster simply because he really hasn't yet....i much rather have JI in the role he is now....he can roam, be the tremendous help defender he is and erase mistakes.....cause deflections and be a factor in transition putting pressure on the defense....i just couldn't imagine sticking all that defensive versatility in drop coverage stuck in the paint in clifford's scheme at center.....maybe it's the same reason why Giannis doesn't play center full time even though he could

I think his coverage has been as a result of the abilities of his previous players. None of his previous Cs could defend the perimeter like Isaac can, and he still has the foot speed to offer drop coverage if he needs to hedge his bets on the big. He can still offer help D from those spots, but it places him closer to the action and most dangerous part of the play that gets players into high percentage shots.

If he’s playing at forward and offering help D in the paint that means his man is probably wide open on the perimeter (if they’re smart). I’d rather him not have to cheat off his own defender so much to be able to help others, and the C spot is the best position for that. It’s the most central position on defense.

[KillMonger]

For me the idea is that he becomes the switch man on PnRs in a very pick heavy league, which actually means he’s picking up the biggest perimeter threat on the perimeter each of those times.

But also having him defend Cs allows him to sag and help off the bigs who aren’t great shooters, and roam the middle for help.

that is true in general but that is not indicative to how clifford does things....the center in his scheme is always in drop coverage, i'm not confident in clifford changing his schemes to fit the roster simply because he really hasn't yet....i much rather have JI in the role he is now....he can roam, be the tremendous help defender he is and erase mistakes.....cause deflections and be a factor in transition putting pressure on the defense....i just couldn't imagine sticking all that defensive versatility in drop coverage stuck in the paint in clifford's scheme at center.....maybe it's the same reason why Giannis doesn't play center full time even though he could

I think his coverage has been as a result of the abilities of his previous players. None of his previous Cs could defend the perimeter like Isaac can, and he still has the foot speed to offer drop coverage if he needs to hedge his bets on the big. He can still offer help D from those spots, but it places him closer to the action and most dangerous part of the play that gets players into high percentage shots.

If he’s playing at forward and offering help D in the paint that means his man is probably wide open on the perimeter (if they’re smart). I’d rather him not have to cheat off his own defender so much to be able to help others, and the C spot is the best position for that. It’s the most central position on defense.

I would love believe that JI's abilities would make clifford change up the way he does things but as we've seen so far? It doesn't make a difference....Whether it's Vuc, bamba, Birch.....everybody that plays the C in this scheme is always stapled to the paint in drop coverage....

I'm not against it in spurts but it's not something i can get behind full time.....not sure he can handle the increased physicality and i'm not really on board with him gaining a lot of weight, we all saw how that worked out for bamba he became so slow....and JI has a similar ectomorph body type....To me JI being able to roam around and get deflections and play the passing lanes(one of the best in the league at the time) that goes away to a large extent if he's playing the "Vuc" role in the defense

To me JI is not a Rudy Gobert/Myles Turner.....he's more of a Giannis/Josh Smith/AK 47 type defender....I mean you can ask anybody just because Giannis doesn't play Center doesn't mean he doesn't anchor that defense...JI can be the same......Also if you put him at center who's going to replace what he can do at PF? It's not going to be chuma because he can't do everything JI can....I remember our game against the pelicans, on a few different possessions james johsnon blew right by chuma 1 on 1...chuma didn't have the lateral quickness to keep pace....if that was JI you already know that would've been clamped up hardly anyone gets by JI...In the end it's not something that can't work in certain situations, sure it can but full time? not too sure about that

[pepe1991]

i just don't understand the appeal of wanting your best perimeter defender to be stuck in the paint....I could only stomach JI at center maybe in certain lineups but never full time

Logic is fairly simple. Teams play pick&roll to take adventage of bigger guys. If your big just happends to be worst matchup than gaurd to beat off dribble, whole purpose of pick&roll is taken away. That's why teams choke so much against Davis led Lakers. It also helps you go over screens way more often because Isaac will stop dribble penetration if guard overcommits and is taken off dribble.

Isaac at 6'11-230/240 really isn't best modern fit at PF anyway. He is kind a terrible mid range shooter and he is not really killing it from 3 point line neither against PFs who are guarding him now. Also for PF ( who nowdays are just bunch of used to be SFs standing at 6'7-6'9) his ballhandling isn't adventage.
But against Cs having much more space would in theory make him better shooter, and he is still faster than vast majority of centers and he could beat them off dribble if they decide to contest.

We don't need to commit to play him full time C, but among "bigs" we have right now, he is faaaaaaaaar superior to Wendell and Bamba in every aspect.
When you put him along side Bamba for example, you just have 2 towers that don't do anything for your offense

[penny_nz]

I can only see Isaac working at the 5 in a small ball lineup in response to other teams going small, that would make sense to me and a good look to roll out.

But for his own health I wouldn't want him routinely banging in the paint vs true 5s

[ogmagicfan]

I can only see Isaac working at the 5 in a small ball lineup in response to other teams going small, that would make sense to me and a good look to roll out.

But for his own health I wouldn't want him routinely banging in the paint vs true 5s

This. For a young player whose frame isn’t the biggest and has had injury troubles for his career, switching to the more physically demanding position of center is a recipe for disaster.

He can play it in spurts, and might transition to the center position as he gets older (30+), but he should be used in a Giannis type role on defense; and we’ve already seen him be able to cause a DPOY impact at the PF position.

[drsd]

We don't need to commit to play him full time C, but among "bigs" we have right now, he is faaaaaaaaar superior to Wendell and Bamba in every aspect.
When you put him along side Bamba for example, you just have 2 towers that don't do anything for your offense

I have often wondered is Bamba is better suited to play-guard PFs. So we could have this depth chart:

Fultz/Anthony/Hampton
Harris/Ross/Bacon
xxx/xxx/Carter-Williams
Okeke/Bamba/xxx
Isaac/Carter/xxx

As backups, I would be interested to know if Anthony/Ross/Bamba/Carter would work well together. When xxx is solved, then we have a better idea of what next season's depth chart could be.

My point: I think Coach Clifford should go wild testing his players in various roles. Stop be traditional and go-for-it.


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[KillMonger]

We don't need to commit to play him full time C, but among "bigs" we have right now, he is faaaaaaaaar superior to Wendell and Bamba in every aspect.
When you put him along side Bamba for example, you just have 2 towers that don't do anything for your offense

I have often wondered is Bamba is better suited to play-guard PFs. So we could have this depth chart:

Fultz/Anthony/Hampton
Harris/Ross/Bacon
xxx/xxx/Carter-Williams
Okeke/Bamba/xxx
Isaac/Carter/xxx

As backups, I would be interested to know if Anthony/Ross/Bamba/Carter would work well together. When xxx is solved, then we have a better idea of what next season's depth chart could be.

My point: I think Coach Clifford should go wild testing his players in various roles. Stop be traditional and go-for-it.


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that's not going to happen...one thing we know for sure about clifford is that he sticks to his guns unless his forced to do something else.....whether it's injuries that forced him to do something due to someone being out....Minute restrictions forcing him to mess with linueps....we have seen though when everybody is back he reverts back to how things were.....The only exception is really funny it seems to be that apparently Cole has lost his starting job to MCW.....even though when Aminu was injured forever he comes back to a starting job immediately....

How about when he was getting flack about not playing Mo bamba and he starts talking that "Meritocracy" nonsense? But then why doesn't meritocracy work when the young guys are involved? Chuma stepped up in a big enough way to earn some consistent touches in this offense....But what happened when MCW and Cole and everybody started to come back from injury? Guess he didn't earn enough merit in clifford's eyes....The only way anybody can make clifford do something different is if he's forced to....All we have to do now is trade T-Ross to see what he'll do then without T-Ross being a crutch for him in the second unit....

It would be amazing to see what he can come up with if he has to be creative for once when Ross is gone......

[drsd]

that's not going to happen...one thing we know for sure about clifford is that he sticks to his guns unless his forced to do something else.........

I agree. But personally I really want to know if Bamba is actually a PF.


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[Bensational]

that is true in general but that is not indicative to how clifford does things....the center in his scheme is always in drop coverage, i'm not confident in clifford changing his schemes to fit the roster simply because he really hasn't yet....i much rather have JI in the role he is now....he can roam, be the tremendous help defender he is and erase mistakes.....cause deflections and be a factor in transition putting pressure on the defense....i just couldn't imagine sticking all that defensive versatility in drop coverage stuck in the paint in clifford's scheme at center.....maybe it's the same reason why Giannis doesn't play center full time even though he could

I think his coverage has been as a result of the abilities of his previous players. None of his previous Cs could defend the perimeter like Isaac can, and he still has the foot speed to offer drop coverage if he needs to hedge his bets on the big. He can still offer help D from those spots, but it places him closer to the action and most dangerous part of the play that gets players into high percentage shots.

If he’s playing at forward and offering help D in the paint that means his man is probably wide open on the perimeter (if they’re smart). I’d rather him not have to cheat off his own defender so much to be able to help others, and the C spot is the best position for that. It’s the most central position on defense.

I would love believe that JI's abilities would make clifford change up the way he does things but as we've seen so far? It doesn't make a difference....Whether it's Vuc, bamba, Birch.....everybody that plays the C in this scheme is always stapled to the paint in drop coverage....

I'm not against it in spurts but it's not something i can get behind full time.....not sure he can handle the increased physicality and i'm not really on board with him gaining a lot of weight, we all saw how that worked out for bamba he became so slow....and JI has a similar ectomorph body type....To me JI being able to roam around and get deflections and play the passing lanes(one of the best in the league at the time) that goes away to a large extent if he's playing the "Vuc" role in the defense

To me JI is not a Rudy Gobert/Myles Turner.....he's more of a Giannis/Josh Smith/AK 47 type defender....I mean you can ask anybody just because Giannis doesn't play Center doesn't mean he doesn't anchor that defense...JI can be the same......Also if you put him at center who's going to replace what he can do at PF? It's not going to be chuma because he can't do everything JI can....I remember our game against the pelicans, on a few different possessions james johsnon blew right by chuma 1 on 1...chuma didn't have the lateral quickness to keep pace....if that was JI you already know that would've been clamped up hardly anyone gets by JI...In the end it's not something that can't work in certain situations, sure it can but full time? not too sure about that

I’m not sure if drop coverage is a permanent fixture of Cliff’s defense or just what he’s used to help mask Vuc’s short comings, and that of our other bigs who can’t show and hedge on defense.

I also disagree with the idea of position change being too much physical stress on him. The dude has glass knees and ankles which have continuously shattered whilst trying to be a more perimeter oriented player. We’ve locked $80M into him over 4 years, so to get the most out of that I think we have to take him away from what was breaking him in the first place. As a C the physicality he faces shouldn’t demand as much hard stopping as a quick close out on help defense does. Pushing him back into that same role just seems too reckless for my tastes. I have zero faith in the resilience of his legs, so I want to protect them. Not full time, but I think he should be a heavy fixture in that 5 spot rotation.

The Bamba weight gain is a bad comp. He bulked without doing cardio and fell too far behind on that, and apparently had covid along the way. With Isaac’s work ethic we know he wouldn’t cut corners so I’d trust him to do great work on his body.

But hey, I’m not a sports trainer so maybe I’m way off and his body can’t handle the extra weight. Who knows? Just something I’d like to see anyway.

[Skybox]

If Bamba and Isaac were ever actually healthy at the same time (with Vuc gone), I’d like to see that combo get extended minutes. Perhaps JI’s elite switching D would rub off on Mo and he’d figure it out. Those two, fully realized as projected, would be a defensive nightmare behind Cade, etc...Bamba hasn’t played or practiced substantial time with Isaac. Carter is what he is- good player...Bamba seems lost but just imagine two Isaac’s roaming, switching, disrupting. Still not ready to give up on Mo’s potential- getting closer tho.

[Blue_and_Whte]

If Bamba and Isaac were ever actually healthy at the same time (with Vuc gone), I’d like to see that combo get extended minutes. Perhaps JI’s elite switching D would rub off on Mo and he’d figure it out. Those two, fully realized as projected, would be a defensive nightmare behind Cade, etc...Bamba hasn’t played or practiced substantial time with Isaac. Carter is what he is- good player...Bamba seems lost but just imagine two Isaac’s roaming, switching, disrupting. Still not ready to give up on Mo’s potential- getting closer tho.

Part of its mental sure but I don’t think JI’s defense can rub off on someone. It’s a physical ability being able to react quickly which I don’t think Mo has.

[Skybox]

If Bamba and Isaac were ever actually healthy at the same time (with Vuc gone), I’d like to see that combo get extended minutes. Perhaps JI’s elite switching D would rub off on Mo and he’d figure it out. Those two, fully realized as projected, would be a defensive nightmare behind Cade, etc...Bamba hasn’t played or practiced substantial time with Isaac. Carter is what he is- good player...Bamba seems lost but just imagine two Isaac’s roaming, switching, disrupting. Still not ready to give up on Mo’s potential- getting closer tho.

Part of its mental sure but I don’t think JI’s defense can rub off on someone. It’s a physical ability being able to react quickly which I don’t think Mo has.

Almost 100% agree...but would love to try tho- I’m sure that was WeHam’s vision at the draft. Damn injuries may never let us see.

[GelbeWand09]

that's not going to happen...one thing we know for sure about clifford is that he sticks to his guns unless his forced to do something else.........

I agree. But personally I really want to know if Bamba is actually a PF.


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His footspeed says no

[KillMonger]

I think his coverage has been as a result of the abilities of his previous players. None of his previous Cs could defend the perimeter like Isaac can, and he still has the foot speed to offer drop coverage if he needs to hedge his bets on the big. He can still offer help D from those spots, but it places him closer to the action and most dangerous part of the play that gets players into high percentage shots.

If he’s playing at forward and offering help D in the paint that means his man is probably wide open on the perimeter (if they’re smart). I’d rather him not have to cheat off his own defender so much to be able to help others, and the C spot is the best position for that. It’s the most central position on defense.

I would love believe that JI's abilities would make clifford change up the way he does things but as we've seen so far? It doesn't make a difference....Whether it's Vuc, bamba, Birch.....everybody that plays the C in this scheme is always stapled to the paint in drop coverage....

I'm not against it in spurts but it's not something i can get behind full time.....not sure he can handle the increased physicality and i'm not really on board with him gaining a lot of weight, we all saw how that worked out for bamba he became so slow....and JI has a similar ectomorph body type....To me JI being able to roam around and get deflections and play the passing lanes(one of the best in the league at the time) that goes away to a large extent if he's playing the "Vuc" role in the defense

To me JI is not a Rudy Gobert/Myles Turner.....he's more of a Giannis/Josh Smith/AK 47 type defender....I mean you can ask anybody just because Giannis doesn't play Center doesn't mean he doesn't anchor that defense...JI can be the same......Also if you put him at center who's going to replace what he can do at PF? It's not going to be chuma because he can't do everything JI can....I remember our game against the pelicans, on a few different possessions james johsnon blew right by chuma 1 on 1...chuma didn't have the lateral quickness to keep pace....if that was JI you already know that would've been clamped up hardly anyone gets by JI...In the end it's not something that can't work in certain situations, sure it can but full time? not too sure about that

I’m not sure if drop coverage is a permanent fixture of Cliff’s defense or just what he’s used to help mask Vuc’s short comings, and that of our other bigs who can’t show and hedge on defense.

I also disagree with the idea of position change being too much physical stress on him. The dude has glass knees and ankles which have continuously shattered whilst trying to be a more perimeter oriented player. We’ve locked $80M into him over 4 years, so to get the most out of that I think we have to take him away from what was breaking him in the first place. As a C the physicality he faces shouldn’t demand as much hard stopping as a quick close out on help defense does. Pushing him back into that same role just seems too reckless for my tastes. I have zero faith in the resilience of his legs, so I want to protect them. Not full time, but I think he should be a heavy fixture in that 5 spot rotation.

The Bamba weight gain is a bad comp. He bulked without doing cardio and fell too far behind on that, and apparently had covid along the way. With Isaac’s work ethic we know he wouldn’t cut corners so I’d trust him to do great work on his body.

But hey, I’m not a sports trainer so maybe I’m way off and his body can’t handle the extra weight. Who knows? Just something I’d like to see anyway.

i'm not sure that such a bad comp, they're both ectomorphs however there was extenuating circumstances as you say with Mo...however Mo himself did say that being 250+ did affect his mobility so i guess in response he slimmed down but for his and JI's body type do you want more weight if it affects their mobility? Either way i think Weight and strength is always going to be an Issue for Mo at Center....Watching the Wizards game seeing Robin Lopez use all 280lbs to get deep position and seal Mo...nothing he could do about that

Could JI handle more weight i don't see why he couldn't, i'm just worried about it affecting his mobility....I'm interested to see it in action but until then it's just going to be one of those things clifford will always say he'll try but actually never will.....Either way though i'm thinking JI is fine in the role he is now, if it isn't broken why try to break it? I'd rather let WCJ/Bamba do their best to defend and have JI erase from weakside and be a factor in the fast break....i feel where he is now is his optimal position where we can get the defense from him and have him running on the wings in the fastbreak as this team HAS to start the transition to becoming a faster team.....

[Bensational]

I would love believe that JI's abilities would make clifford change up the way he does things but as we've seen so far? It doesn't make a difference....Whether it's Vuc, bamba, Birch.....everybody that plays the C in this scheme is always stapled to the paint in drop coverage....

I'm not against it in spurts but it's not something i can get behind full time.....not sure he can handle the increased physicality and i'm not really on board with him gaining a lot of weight, we all saw how that worked out for bamba he became so slow....and JI has a similar ectomorph body type....To me JI being able to roam around and get deflections and play the passing lanes(one of the best in the league at the time) that goes away to a large extent if he's playing the "Vuc" role in the defense

To me JI is not a Rudy Gobert/Myles Turner.....he's more of a Giannis/Josh Smith/AK 47 type defender....I mean you can ask anybody just because Giannis doesn't play Center doesn't mean he doesn't anchor that defense...JI can be the same......Also if you put him at center who's going to replace what he can do at PF? It's not going to be chuma because he can't do everything JI can....I remember our game against the pelicans, on a few different possessions james johsnon blew right by chuma 1 on 1...chuma didn't have the lateral quickness to keep pace....if that was JI you already know that would've been clamped up hardly anyone gets by JI...In the end it's not something that can't work in certain situations, sure it can but full time? not too sure about that

I’m not sure if drop coverage is a permanent fixture of Cliff’s defense or just what he’s used to help mask Vuc’s short comings, and that of our other bigs who can’t show and hedge on defense.

I also disagree with the idea of position change being too much physical stress on him. The dude has glass knees and ankles which have continuously shattered whilst trying to be a more perimeter oriented player. We’ve locked $80M into him over 4 years, so to get the most out of that I think we have to take him away from what was breaking him in the first place. As a C the physicality he faces shouldn’t demand as much hard stopping as a quick close out on help defense does. Pushing him back into that same role just seems too reckless for my tastes. I have zero faith in the resilience of his legs, so I want to protect them. Not full time, but I think he should be a heavy fixture in that 5 spot rotation.

The Bamba weight gain is a bad comp. He bulked without doing cardio and fell too far behind on that, and apparently had covid along the way. With Isaac’s work ethic we know he wouldn’t cut corners so I’d trust him to do great work on his body.

But hey, I’m not a sports trainer so maybe I’m way off and his body can’t handle the extra weight. Who knows? Just something I’d like to see anyway.

i'm not sure that such a bad comp, they're both ectomorphs however there was extenuating circumstances as you say with Mo...however Mo himself did say that being 250+ did affect his mobility so i guess in response he slimmed down but for his and JI's body type do you want more weight if it affects their mobility? Either way i think Weight and strength is always going to be an Issue for Mo at Center....Watching the Wizards game seeing Robin Lopez use all 280lbs to get deep position and seal Mo...nothing he could do about that

Could JI handle more weight i don't see why he couldn't, i'm just worried about it affecting his mobility....I'm interested to see it in action but until then it's just going to be one of those things clifford will always say he'll try but actually never will.....Either way though i'm thinking JI is fine in the role he is now, if it isn't broken why try to break it? I'd rather let WCJ/Bamba do their best to defend and have JI erase from weakside and be a factor in the fast break....i feel where he is now is his optimal position where we can get the defense from him and have him running on the wings in the fastbreak as this team HAS to start the transition to becoming a faster team.....

Just to clarify, when I say add weight I mean picturing Isaac with a body like Khem or LeBron. Strong, but still lean, muscular and athletic. AD and Bam maybe the next weight tier above that, which is where I think Isaac ends up as he approaches 30, just naturally.

[Nyce_1]

If Bamba and Isaac were ever actually healthy at the same time (with Vuc gone), I’d like to see that combo get extended minutes. Perhaps JI’s elite switching D would rub off on Mo and he’d figure it out. Those two, fully realized as projected, would be a defensive nightmare behind Cade, etc...Bamba hasn’t played or practiced substantial time with Isaac. Carter is what he is- good player...Bamba seems lost but just imagine two Isaac’s roaming, switching, disrupting. Still not ready to give up on Mo’s potential- getting closer tho.

I think the only time we've actually seen them on the floor together was summer league in Vegas! Damn - that's truly sad.

[thelead]

A semi-quick OT aside:

I'm listening to the The Mismatch podcast right now, and the hosts are telling about how they've gotten their second covid-vaccination recently; basically boasting and joking about it, really. Now, I'm estimating Kevin O'Connor to be in his 30's and Vernon to be maybe in his early 40's (?).

At the same time here in Holland, my mom and dad are almost 70 years old, and they don't even have a date for a first vaccination yet (I think they're still working on people who are 70 and above for now, and of course health care workers and people in similar professions are vaccinated). My father is... not well, and has a hard time adhering to the measures against the virus. I'm very concerned about their health going forward, so I'm pretty much furious with the incompetent Dutch government right now. I'm not really jealous or anything (okay, maybe a little jealous); it's good that things seem to be going better elsewhere. I get that the US has probably leveraged their financial and political power to get more vaccines quickly and that's fine, but I thought we were supposed to at least be a developed country. Sadly the vaccination rate here is a total clown show, also when you compare it to for example the United Kingdom.

I am curious though, so my question is: How are vaccinations in the US organized and how can it be that people in their 30's are fully vaccinated already? Are well-off people paying for vaccines? I'd rather hear it from normal people than some media article and you guys are the Americans I can reach with the most ease.

Please send any answers/insights you may have to me via PM as to not derail the thread. I did not want to make a separate thread about this on a basketball board, but I'm really in need of some answers right about now.

Because vaccination has become a politically polarizing topic and half the population thinks Bill Gates will be controlling your mind after you get it.... That is not an exaggeration for some people in the US

We've opened up vaccinations to people 16 and older because we likely have more supply than demand.