Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2

[Magic#1]

As i am from Europe i watch a lot of european basketball.

I know that both Sengün and Garuba are not the sexiest picks for the Magic fans in the States but both guys are very skilled basketball players.

They played against grown men in professional basketball leagues and did a very good Job.

I'm one of the biggest Şengün fans on the board and would have no issue whatsoever picking him with the Bulls pick. I think the 3PT shooting is absolutely going to develop and he's going to be an excellent offensive player. He might struggle defensively for a bit, but I really think he's going to make it work offensively.

Garuba is a great defensive prospect. I would put him just barely below Scottie Barnes as the best defender in the draft. He has guarded all sorts of different types of players. He can switch. He can block shots. He's got great length, active hands, and is a quick leaper.

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Offensively... not so much.

Real Madrid has a lot of established offensive players, so they never run any plays for Garuba. So he's really just limited to setting screens, spotting up, and cutting for lobs. He can pass, but he's pretty limited as a ball handler and doesn't have much touch. Not a very good shooter.

Defensively I think he can step in right now and make a significant impact, but he's at least 2 or 3 years away (if ever) from being a positive contributor on offense IMO.

If you like Barnes, and a lot of people think he could go as high as 6, there's no reason to not like Garuba 10-12 picks later.

I probably wouldn't pick Garuba with the Bulls pick. That's a little too rich for me, but I like him in that 15-20 range.

Based on history, it seems like Garuba would be a player WeHam would like. If we get a lead guard with our pick, I can understand taking a gamble on a player like Garuba, but I think there are better overall prospects available. Now if you think he can be the next Ibaka, then take a gamble. But I'd prefer a player like Wagner, Barnes or maybe Johnson for now.

[Skin]

We can trade down and still get Garuba. Takes a savvy GM though.

[Knightro]

Garuba is not in the Magic's current draft range right now.

He's not worth a top 10 pick, but he very likely won't make it to 33 either.

Seems firmly in that 15-25 range.

[RookieStar]

Why are we even talking about Garuba? I mean.. are we really still looking at raw, developig, ultra-atheltic, wingspan that can tie shoes without bending down, but non scoring non shooting bigs?

didnt we have a poll a few months bavk asking what we should look for in the draft and it was unanimous we are looking for scorers?

[pepe1991]

We are really talking about 6'7-6'8 no jumpshot center who averaged 4 ppg in euroleague? Really?

Might as well get BIyombo. Hell, could just eas ealsy sign Khem Birch on max exstension.
Idea of wasting lottery pick for defensive center who has size of average small forward makes me vomit.

Guy has no offensvie game whatsoever, even in that clip of his "strenghts" guy misses f*** driving layup despite not being challenged by anybody.

What are we doing here?

[drsd]

Please let Moody slide to 8 (or 9).

[Magic Mops]

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[RookieStar]

Please let Moody slide to 8 (or 9).

Im curious.. why him? I think he will slip into the 9th range.

He is 6'6.. tall for a SG, a little for a SF.
He has catch and shoot abilities like Kispert but no quick first step in attacking like Bouknight or Keon.
Sure he has a 7ft wingspan for defense.
As i said before he reminds me of Harden because he drives using bully ball. He bulldozes down the opposing guards which are shorter and weaker than him. I dunno if he can do that in the NBA.

As of right now he is a safe choice but I wanna swing for the fences.

[pepe1991]

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His father played in Euroleague for 9 years, well decorated player, best known for one of best back- to basket tehnique.

Roko is way better athlete but probably because of it, does not have that finess tehnique.

[Magic Mops]

Please let Moody slide to 8 (or 9).

Im curious.. why him? I think he will slip into the 9th range.

He is 6'6.. tall for a SG, a little for a SF.
He has catch and shoot abilities like Kispert but no quick first step in attacking like Bouknight or Keon.
Sure he has a 7ft wingspan for defense.
As i said before he reminds me of Harden because he drives using bully ball. He bulldozes down the opposing guards which are shorter and weaker than him. I dunno if he can do that in the NBA.

As of right now he is a safe choice but I wanna swing for the fences.

Why not him..............??

The players you mentioned above Kispert,Bouknight,Keon and Moody.

All interesting players if the Magic keep the Bulls pick.
Every players has his strengths and weaknesses.

There is no perfect player.

[tiderulz]

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wow, this guy is really forcing a Giannis comparison that just isnt there.

[Magic Mops]

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[OrlChamps2030]

Please let Moody slide to 8 (or 9).

Im curious.. why him? I think he will slip into the 9th range.

He is 6'6.. tall for a SG, a little for a SF.
He has catch and shoot abilities like Kispert but no quick first step in attacking like Bouknight or Keon.
Sure he has a 7ft wingspan for defense.
As i said before he reminds me of Harden because he drives using bully ball. He bulldozes down the opposing guards which are shorter and weaker than him. I dunno if he can do that in the NBA.

As of right now he is a safe choice but I wanna swing for the fences.

Why not him..............??

The players you mentioned above Kispert,Bouknight,Keon and Moody.

All interesting players if the Magic keep the Bulls pick.
Every players has his strengths and weaknesses.

There is no perfect player.

That was my thought too. I actually like all of Bouknight, Keon, and Moody with the Bulls pick. No prospect will be perfect outside of the top 5. I see plenty of mocks with Moody to Orlando @ 8 and for good reason

Moody has similar catch and shoot skills as Kispert.. but has more defensive upside and got to the line a lot more. Sounds like a guy this team could use. Could be a Mikael Bridges or even Middleton type

[Magic Mops]

Im curious.. why him? I think he will slip into the 9th range.

He is 6'6.. tall for a SG, a little for a SF.
He has catch and shoot abilities like Kispert but no quick first step in attacking like Bouknight or Keon.
Sure he has a 7ft wingspan for defense.
As i said before he reminds me of Harden because he drives using bully ball. He bulldozes down the opposing guards which are shorter and weaker than him. I dunno if he can do that in the NBA.

As of right now he is a safe choice but I wanna swing for the fences.

Why not him..............??

The players you mentioned above Kispert,Bouknight,Keon and Moody.

All interesting players if the Magic keep the Bulls pick.
Every players has his strengths and weaknesses.

There is no perfect player.

That was my thought too. I actually like all of Bouknight, Keon, and Moody with the Bulls pick. No prospect will be perfect outside of the top 5. I see plenty of mocks with Moody to Orlando @ 8 and for good reason

Moody has similar catch and shoot skills as Kispert.. but has more defensive upside and got to the line a lot more. Sounds like a guy this team could use. Could be a Mikael Bridges or even Middleton type

Even the top 5 are not perfect.
Nobody is perfect.

[tiderulz]

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Magic get Mobley with the 3th pick and Kispert with the 8th pick

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disagree on Kispert at 8. we still need to shoot for players with higher ceiling.

[Magic Mops]

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Magic get Mobley with the 3th pick and Kispert with the 8th pick

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disagree on Kispert at 8. we still need to shoot for players with higher ceiling.

Agree on Kispert at 8.
The Magic need players who can shoot the 3.

[The Effect]

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No to both!

Ok thats not fair, if green is gone, id be fine with Mobley or suggs, but i really want us to add Green at any cost, hes the franchise changing player weve been waiting for if we dont get #1

As for Kispert at 8.....No.........just.......no

Theres so many better players than him that should be available.
If we are going on pure upside, theres a ton of guys im taking over him, like Jalen Johnson, moody, barnes, Keon, hell even Mann or juzang are better options
If we are going on "instant impact" guys, im still going with someone like moody

Theres just so little upside to Kisperts game. I get it that hes a great shooter, but thats really it. We arent a great shooter away from being a contender, we need difference makers all around

[Magic Mops]

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No to both!

Ok thats not fair, if green is gone, id be fine with Mobley or suggs, but i really want us to add Green at any cost, hes the franchise changing player weve been waiting for if we dont get #1

As for Kispert at 8.....No.........just.......no

Theres so many better players than him that should be available.
If we are going on pure upside, theres a ton of guys im taking over him, like Jalen Johnson, moody, barnes, Keon, hell even Mann or juzang are better options
If we are going on "instant impact" guys, im still going with someone like moody

Theres just so little upside to Kisperts game. I get it that hes a great shooter, but thats really it. We arent a great shooter away from being a contender, we need difference makers all around

Disagree that Mann and Juzang are better options.
If you say Wagner,Bouknight or Giddey i would be ok with it but not Mann and Juzang.

[Xatticus]

Why are we even talking about Garuba? I mean.. are we really still looking at raw, developig, ultra-atheltic, wingspan that can tie shoes without bending down, but non scoring non shooting bigs?

didnt we have a poll a few months bavk asking what we should look for in the draft and it was unanimous we are looking for scorers?

We do not need scorers. We do not need shooters. We need good players. You can be a good shooter and scorer while being a terrible offensive player at the same time. Who wins a shooting contest between Fournier and Doncic? Who is the better offensive player? One has only ever been a part of terrible offenses, while the other led the most efficient offense in the history of the NBA last year.

All that is required to be a scorer is to take a lot of shots. Allonzo Trier can shoot. Allonzo Trier can score. Allonzo Trier can't find a job in the NBA. Many players that fire up a lot of shots do more harm than good to their team's offense. Cole Anthony is a scorer, but he was a dreadful offensive player last year.

Garuba isn't raw. He is exceedingly accomplished for his age. He has won numerous youth accolades and averaged far more impressive stat lines along the way. He played the second-most minutes for his team in their domestic league. They finished 34-2 in the ACB, which is the best domestic league outside of the NBA. He played the fifth-most minutes for his team in the EuroLeague. They lost 3-2 in the quarterfinals against the eventual champions: Efes. Big European clubs don't play players for the sake of development. Garuba will continue to develop, but he is ready for the NBA right now.

We are discussing Garuba because there is clearly value there. I don't think anyone is advocating for him to be taken with our lottery picks, though I really wouldn't have a problem with it. It is obscene to me that he is being mocked outside of the lottery.

[drsd]

As of right now he is a safe choice but I wanna swing for the fences.

At a probable 9, you want to swing for the fences. Fine. And for me that's Moody. For you?

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