2023 NBA Draft Thread 4

[Nyce_1]

I'm coming around to the reality that there is a real chance we take either Hendricks or Walker at No. 6 or Lively at No. 11. The run it back scenario almost demands this.

Agree. If we keep both picks, I can't see us taking players who share the same position. Almost a sure bet we go 1 front court player + 1 wing/guard.

Quick comment. I do like Walkers wingspan and dislike everything about that PF.

He almost certainly would be a bench rental for 4 years unless he is a bust and we keep him as a result.

A bust here would be "bust for 6th pick."

I would still hold out for "starter level talent" not "fridge starter" as the potential floor.

I agree. I don't like Walker's fit but we still need a backup F to rotate with Franz/ Paolo. Hendricks will also be a backup, but with more positional versatility to play spot minutes at C.

[JoshuaPotter]

Agree. If we keep both picks, I can't see us taking players who share the same position. Almost a sure bet we go 1 front court player + 1 wing/guard.

Quick comment. I do like Walkers wingspan and dislike everything about that PF.

He almost certainly would be a bench rental for 4 years unless he is a bust and we keep him as a result.

A bust here would be "bust for 6th pick."

I would still hold out for "starter level talent" not "fridge starter" as the potential floor.

I agree. I don't like Walker's fit but we still need a backup F to rotate with Franz/ Paolo. Hendricks will also be a backup, but with more positional versatility to play spot minutes at C.

Trying to add to what you are saying rather then take away.

I really think we need blocking / rebounding from somewhere. Rebounding being the no 1 priority in my head. Both of these prospects aren't really know for rebounding.

[eyriq]

I'm coming around to the reality that there is a real chance we take either Hendricks or Walker at No. 6 or Lively at No. 11. The run it back scenario almost demands this.

Agree. If we keep both picks, I can't see us taking players who share the same position. Almost a sure bet we go 1 front court player + 1 wing/guard.

Yup. If WeHam want another season to evaluate Fultz, Cole, and Suggs then the draft is an even split between addressing the frontcourt and backcourt.

This decision will hurt my soul, though.

[jonbob17]

VecenieAthletic final big board:
RANK PLAYER
1 Victor Wembanyama
2 Scoot Henderson
3 Cam Whitmore
4 Brandon Miller
5 Amen Thompson
6 Jarace Walker
7 Taylor Hendricks
8 Anthony Black
9 Ausar Thompson
10 Dereck Lively II
11 Kobe Bufkin
12 Bilal Coulibaly
13 Leonard Miller
14 Cason Wallace
15 Jalen Hood
16 Gradey Dick
17 Kris Murray
18 Jordan Hawkins
19 Brice Sensabaugh
20 Dariq Whitehead
21 Noah Clowney
22 Nick Smith Jr.
23 Jaime Jaquez Jr.
24 Olivier
25 Jett Howard
26 Keyonte George
27 Colby Jones
28 Ben Sheppard
29 Andre Jackson
30 Kobe Brown
31 Marcus Sasser
32 Sidy Cissoko
33 Julian Phillips
34 Rayan Rupert
35 Maxwell Lewis
36 G.G. Jackson
37 Jalen Wilson
38 Amari Bailey
39 Trayce Jackson
40 James Nnaji
41 Jordan Walsh
42 Brandin Podziemski
43 Ricky Council IV
44 Omari Moore
45 Colin Castleton
46 Julian Strawther
47 Seth Lundy
48 Adama Sanogo
49 Hunter Tyson
50 Jordan Miller
51 Jaylen Clark
52 Adam Flagler
53 Terquavion Smith
54 Nadir Hifi
55 Jalen Pickett
56 Jalen Slawson
57 Drew Timme
58 Tristan Vukčević
59 Isaiah Wong
60 Chris Livingston
61 Sir'Jabari Rice
62 Mike Miles Jr.
63 Mouhamed Gueye
64 Mojave King
65 Ąžuolas Tubelis
66 Liam Robbins

[yoyojw17]

Lol if you got a promise you would think to celebrate in Disney.

But yeah... we dont ever get to see pics of draftees ij our gym. Unlike other teams where theybare available for media.

For us its usually a vague social media post about them being in Orlando or a selfie in a hotel room claiming they are in Orlando.

#6 to utah for #9 + #16 from Utah

Coulibaly + Lively + Bufkin for me would be a great haul. Bufkin and lively provide a high floor with great potential and Bilal can help blow the roof off of the draft haul. lol

I am perfectly okay with adding that many 1st rounders.... i know we're young and improving already.... but the players are very mature and i think the team identity is already being forged!

Not bad. But I think we already have many young guys. Adding three more rookies doesn’t make sense. Maybe #6 for #9 and 1 future FRP will be better. We can pick Coulibaly at #9 and Hendricks at #11. Then sign a 3pt shooter and qualified rebounder in FA such as GTJ and Plumlee.

I feel you. I know people were saying that Bilal might stay overseas another year so it will be like a 2024 pick. but not sure if there is any credence to that. haha. but even if he doesn't I still see room for them or can be made for them depending on what's done with okeke and bol.

Lively... I just love what he can bring to the team on the defensive end. It's a dimension that we currently don't really have on the team. High-level perimeter defendable big ... that swats anything inside of the paint... is a constant lob threat... with a possible developing jumper? yeah... i'll take that. P.s. i know he doesn't score much... but seems like whatever he does on the court help translate to some great offensive output by the team. Offensive Rating 133.9 and Defensive Rating of 91.1

Coulibaly - Swing for the fences and beyond!

Bufkin - a young two-year player that does everything well... and was the engine of the Michigan successes at a young age. Hopefully, all that he does well turns into "great"... as "Wagner 2.0 - SG Edition"

All of them from what I've seen also bring a level of maturity beyond their years and seem to be great fits with our guys. But... yup ... at a point a plan will have to be put into place.... but talent acquisition in such a "Deep Draft" is not a bad idea.

[JoshuaPotter]

VecenieAthletic final big board:
RANK PLAYER
1 Victor Wembanyama
2 Scoot Henderson
3 Cam Whitmore
4 Brandon Miller
5 Amen Thompson
6 Jarace Walker
7 Taylor Hendricks
8 Anthony Black
9 Ausar Thompson
10 Dereck Lively II
11 Kobe Bufkin
12 Bilal Coulibaly
13 Leonard Miller
14 Cason Wallace
15 Jalen Hood
16 Gradey Dick
17 Kris Murray
18 Jordan Hawkins
19 Brice Sensabaugh
20 Dariq Whitehead
21 Noah Clowney
22 Nick Smith Jr.
23 Jaime Jaquez Jr.
24 Olivier
25 Jett Howard
26 Keyonte George
27 Colby Jones
28 Ben Sheppard
29 Andre Jackson
30 Kobe Brown
31 Marcus Sasser
32 Sidy Cissoko
33 Julian Phillips
34 Rayan Rupert
35 Maxwell Lewis
36 G.G. Jackson
37 Jalen Wilson
38 Amari Bailey
39 Trayce Jackson
40 James Nnaji
41 Jordan Walsh
42 Brandin Podziemski
43 Ricky Council IV
44 Omari Moore
45 Colin Castleton
46 Julian Strawther
47 Seth Lundy
48 Adama Sanogo
49 Hunter Tyson
50 Jordan Miller
51 Jaylen Clark
52 Adam Flagler
53 Terquavion Smith
54 Nadir Hifi
55 Jalen Pickett
56 Jalen Slawson
57 Drew Timme
58 Tristan Vukčević
59 Isaiah Wong
60 Chris Livingston
61 Sir'Jabari Rice
62 Mike Miles Jr.
63 Mouhamed Gueye
64 Mojave King
65 Ąžuolas Tubelis
66 Liam Robbins

Is this big board just based on where he believes the players will land in their careers?

[NothingButMagic]

Watch on YouTube

If you don’t want to watch the whole thing…

1. Spurs - Wemby
2. Hornets - Scoot
3. Blazers - Miller
4. Rockets - Amen
5. Pistons - Whitmore
6. Magic - Black
7. Pacers - Walker
8. Wizards - Ausar
9. Jazz - Hood-Schifino
10. Mavs - Hendricks
11. Magic - Dick

A Black/Dick draft would be amazing. We would have great penetration and shooting from long range. It would open things up so much for everyone else, too.

[OrlChamps2030]

I'm coming around to the reality that there is a real chance we take either Hendricks or Walker at No. 6 or Lively at No. 11. The run it back scenario almost demands this.

Agree. If we keep both picks, I can't see us taking players who share the same position. Almost a sure bet we go 1 front court player + 1 wing/guard.

Quick comment. I do like Walkers wingspan and dislike everything about that PF.

He almost certainly would be a bench rental for 4 years unless he is a bust and we keep him as a result.

A bust here would be "bust for 6th pick."

I would still hold out for "starter level talent" not "fridge starter" as the potential floor.

Yeah drafting a bench guy at 6 would be disappointing to me. Especially someone like Walker who is locked into the 4. This isn't a Bamba situation where Vucevic blew up unexpectedly causing Bamba to stay on the bench.. Paolo literally just won ROTY as the #1 pick.. I just don't ever see a path for Walker becoming a starter. I wouldn't mind Hendricks or Walker at 11 though. Both should be good NBA players

[eyriq]

VecenieAthletic final big board:
RANK PLAYER
1 Victor Wembanyama
2 Scoot Henderson
3 Cam Whitmore
4 Brandon Miller
5 Amen Thompson
6 Jarace Walker
7 Taylor Hendricks
8 Anthony Black
9 Ausar Thompson
10 Dereck Lively II
11 Kobe Bufkin
12 Bilal Coulibaly
13 Leonard Miller
14 Cason Wallace
15 Jalen Hood
16 Gradey Dick
17 Kris Murray
18 Jordan Hawkins
19 Brice Sensabaugh
20 Dariq Whitehead
21 Noah Clowney
22 Nick Smith Jr.
23 Jaime Jaquez Jr.
24 Olivier
25 Jett Howard
26 Keyonte George
27 Colby Jones
28 Ben Sheppard
29 Andre Jackson
30 Kobe Brown
31 Marcus Sasser
32 Sidy Cissoko
33 Julian Phillips
34 Rayan Rupert
35 Maxwell Lewis
36 G.G. Jackson
37 Jalen Wilson
38 Amari Bailey
39 Trayce Jackson
40 James Nnaji
41 Jordan Walsh
42 Brandin Podziemski
43 Ricky Council IV
44 Omari Moore
45 Colin Castleton
46 Julian Strawther
47 Seth Lundy
48 Adama Sanogo
49 Hunter Tyson
50 Jordan Miller
51 Jaylen Clark
52 Adam Flagler
53 Terquavion Smith
54 Nadir Hifi
55 Jalen Pickett
56 Jalen Slawson
57 Drew Timme
58 Tristan Vukčević
59 Isaiah Wong
60 Chris Livingston
61 Sir'Jabari Rice
62 Mike Miles Jr.
63 Mouhamed Gueye
64 Mojave King
65 Ąžuolas Tubelis
66 Liam Robbins

Is this big board just based on where he believes the players will land in their careers?

Wow, heavy bias towards wings and athleticism it seems. Hating on Keyonte is a red flag in my book.

[JoshuaPotter]

Agree. If we keep both picks, I can't see us taking players who share the same position. Almost a sure bet we go 1 front court player + 1 wing/guard.

Quick comment. I do like Walkers wingspan and dislike everything about that PF.

He almost certainly would be a bench rental for 4 years unless he is a bust and we keep him as a result.

A bust here would be "bust for 6th pick."

I would still hold out for "starter level talent" not "fridge starter" as the potential floor.

Yeah drafting a bench guy at 6 would be disappointing to me. Especially someone like Walker who is locked into the 4. This isn't a Bamba situation where Vucevic blew up unexpectedly causing Bamba to stay on the bench.. Paolo literally just won ROTY as the #1 pick.. I just don't ever see a path for Walker becoming a starter. I wouldn't mind Hendricks or Walker at 11 though. Both should be good NBA players

Arguably the 6th should still be relatively speaking your best player at the position unless you just went off the 1st pick in the draft in Paulo....

11th I can see drafting a bench player or a fit player as the BPA because at that point that usually is what is available. Unless someone is overlooked in a stacked position at the draft. This year for example F / G / Wing position has Miller, Cam, the Thompson twins, Dick, and now people even arguing Bilal as I miss people at that position.

[89Magicfan]

VecenieAthletic final big board:
RANK PLAYER
1 Victor Wembanyama
2 Scoot Henderson
3 Cam Whitmore
4 Brandon Miller
5 Amen Thompson
6 Jarace Walker
7 Taylor Hendricks
8 Anthony Black
9 Ausar Thompson
10 Dereck Lively II
11 Kobe Bufkin
12 Bilal Coulibaly
13 Leonard Miller
14 Cason Wallace
15 Jalen Hood
16 Gradey Dick
17 Kris Murray
18 Jordan Hawkins
19 Brice Sensabaugh
20 Dariq Whitehead
21 Noah Clowney
22 Nick Smith Jr.
23 Jaime Jaquez Jr.
24 Olivier
25 Jett Howard
26 Keyonte George
27 Colby Jones
28 Ben Sheppard
29 Andre Jackson
30 Kobe Brown
31 Marcus Sasser
32 Sidy Cissoko
33 Julian Phillips
34 Rayan Rupert
35 Maxwell Lewis
36 G.G. Jackson
37 Jalen Wilson
38 Amari Bailey
39 Trayce Jackson
40 James Nnaji
41 Jordan Walsh
42 Brandin Podziemski
43 Ricky Council IV
44 Omari Moore
45 Colin Castleton
46 Julian Strawther
47 Seth Lundy
48 Adama Sanogo
49 Hunter Tyson
50 Jordan Miller
51 Jaylen Clark
52 Adam Flagler
53 Terquavion Smith
54 Nadir Hifi
55 Jalen Pickett
56 Jalen Slawson
57 Drew Timme
58 Tristan Vukčević
59 Isaiah Wong
60 Chris Livingston
61 Sir'Jabari Rice
62 Mike Miles Jr.
63 Mouhamed Gueye
64 Mojave King
65 Ąžuolas Tubelis
66 Liam Robbins

If this is how it was played out, think I’d just gamble on Ausar.

[jonbob17]

Is this big board just based on where he believes the players will land in their careers?

Who he thinks is the best player available.

[Rick Rolled]

I’m not sure how accurate the draft workout tracker on Hoopshype is, but it is saying that we worked out Whitmore, Walker and Black. I’ve been MIA the last week so I’m not sure if any of those workouts have been confirmed via social media.

https://hoopshype.com/lists/2023-nba-draft-workout-tracker-where-have-prospects-gone/

[jonbob17]

I’m not sure how accurate the draft workout tracker on Hoopshype is, but it is saying that we worked out Whitmore, Walker and Black. I’ve been MIA the last week so I’m not sure if any of those workouts have been confirmed via social media.

https://hoopshype.com/lists/2023-nba-draft-workout-tracker-where-have-prospects-gone/

Does that means we are choosing Ausur, given that they haven't worked out the last two top draft picks?
They should work out anyone that will. Never know who might eventually be available by trade.

Kind of interesting looking at some of the other teams like Denver. They just acquired pick 37. They've brought in a bunch of guys that don't look like they will be drafted. Kind of drives me crazy when a successful team like that sifts through the rough cuts, while our management team says the draft is over after their 20 player draft board is finished.

[JoshuaPotter]

I’m not sure how accurate the draft workout tracker on Hoopshype is, but it is saying that we worked out Whitmore, Walker and Black. I’ve been MIA the last week so I’m not sure if any of those workouts have been confirmed via social media.

https://hoopshype.com/lists/2023-nba-draft-workout-tracker-where-have-prospects-gone/

Noticed a pretty big absence of twins...

[Howard Mass]

Anthony Black is a player is a player I am not really high on.

I think a lot of Mocks will be completely busted and anything can happen after #1.

After the last couple of Drafts, Weltham has a ton of credibility no matter what they do.

[eyriq]

Anthony Black is a player is a player I am not really high on.

I think a lot of Mocks will be completely busted and anything can happen after #1.

After the last couple of Drafts, Weltham has a ton of credibility no matter what they do.

Yeah, I have a lot of confidence in this front office

[basketballRob]

I’m not sure how accurate the draft workout tracker on Hoopshype is, but it is saying that we worked out Whitmore, Walker and Black. I’ve been MIA the last week so I’m not sure if any of those workouts have been confirmed via social media.

https://hoopshype.com/lists/2023-nba-draft-workout-tracker-where-have-prospects-gone/

I did see Black post from the Tampa Airport last week. Dick and Lively were here this week.

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[basketballRob]

The draft parties are going to be hilarious with all the puns about Dick.

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[bigdogdylan5]

I really despise the mock draft phenomenon in all these drafts where the people who are in media are saying what the “order” should be. It’s just stupid the smartest people aren’t making these draft boards because if they were they would be working for a team. A la Mike Schmitz who was my favorite. Just take the guy you like yea it would be awesome if we could move down to 9 and get another asset but damn if you believe in Bufkin or dick take them at 6. All over magic twitter it is I like the 11th pick and the options there more than 6. That is so dumb to me because guess what 6 is higher than 11 and nothing should be stopping you from taking a player at 6 you want. Take Bufkin and lively, or George and Coulibaly, or any damn combination you want.