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You serious?
Haliburton is 15 months older than Suggs. Was 3 months older than Suggs when he took team to ECF.
Haliburton is 17 months older than Franz. Was 5 months older than Franz when he took team to ECF.
SGA TODAY is 2 yeras and 11 months older than Suggs, three years than Franz.
OKC overall is much younger team than Orlando . Holmgren is same age group as Banchero ( 6 months older) ; J will is 45 days older than Suggs, few months older than Franz. They all were younger when they went to second round - last year.
Celtics were going to finals and CF with Brown and Tatum exiting puberty.
Lebron went to finals with group of noobs at age of 22. That's what greatness looks like.
You just can't admit that your "best young core" thing is BS and that other younger, more talented, led by way smarter people than Weltman played system and are about to win a title.
Why Magic are even compared to championship teams? They can't pass first round.
Haliburton is 15 months older than Suggs. Was 3 months older than Suggs when he took team to ECF.
Haliburton is 17 months older than Franz. Was 5 months older than Franz when he took team to ECF.
SGA TODAY is 2 yeras and 11 months older than Suggs, three years than Franz.
OKC overall is much younger team than Orlando . Holmgren is same age group as Banchero ( 6 months older) ; J will is 45 days older than Suggs, few months older than Franz. They all were younger when they went to second round - last year.
Celtics were going to finals and CF with Brown and Tatum exiting puberty.
Lebron went to finals with group of noobs at age of 22. That's what greatness looks like.
You just can't admit that your "best young core" thing is BS and that other younger, more talented, led by way smarter people than Weltman played system and are about to win a title.
Why Magic are even compared to championship teams? They can't pass first round.
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pepe1991 wrote:You serious?
Haliburton is 15 months older than Suggs. Was 3 months older than Suggs when he took team to ECF.
Haliburton is 17 months older than Franz. Was 5 months older than Franz when he took team to ECF.
SGA TODAY is 2 yeras and 11 months older than Suggs, three years than Franz.
OKC overall is much younger team than Orlando . Holmgren is same age group as Banchero ( 6 months older) ; J will is 45 days older than Suggs, few months older than Franz. They all were younger when they went to second round - last year.
Celtics were going to finals and CF with Brown and Tatum exiting puberty.
Lebron went to finals with group of noobs at age of 22. That's what greatness looks like.
You just can't admit that your "best young core" thing is BS and that other younger, more talented, led by way smarter people than Weltman played system and are about to win a title.
Why Magic are even compared to championship teams? They can't pass first round.
You’re not analyzing anything, you’re roleplaying as a GM in fantasyland. You’re ignoring that Orlando, OKC, and Indiana are on different timelines, pretending age gaps and draft sequencing don’t matter, and trying to collapse rebuild phases into a single moment to scream “failure.” That’s not how real team-building works. You’re just mad reality doesn’t conform to your tantrum.
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SOUL wrote:Yeah pepe that's a bit hand-picked lol. There are other ways to convey Magic needing to do better. SGA is definitely in his prime and an MVP. And OKC definitely has way more assets to work with, they've been compiling them for YEARS.
Also think the equivalent of SGA/Hali/Siakam/Jdub missing months due to oblique injuries + having their 3rd/4th players out for the season halfway through (Turner/Nesmith/Caruso/Hartenstein) would have these teams looking a bit different in terms of compete level.
I just can't get through delusion of some posters.
Weltman took over in 2017.
How many non lottery picks panned out into great players? Non.
How many non lottery players panned into good role players ? Non.
How many second round picks turned into great players? Non.
How many second round players turned into good players ? Non.
How many second round picks turned into nba level players ? Non.
How many lottery picks he had? 7.
How many all stars ? One.
How many busts? At least 1.
Like, literally, only thing he did was lucked into Banchero's draft and found Franz. Everything else, in 8 yeras is auto-pilot- like roster managment.
Where are high value trades? Where are high value assets collected? Where are hidden gems? Where are our versions of Dort ( undrafted) , Aaron Wiggins ( second round) , Nembhard (second round) , Sheppard (26th pick) ?
Where is our Jaden McDaniels? We call him Jonathan and we flushed 6# pick on worst version of Jaden McDaniels. Wolves got him with 28# pick.
It flat out does not exist on our roster , nor ever existed every since Weltman took over.
If you want to build serious roster through draft you have to be so f*** great at drafting. Wetlman simply isn't that guy.
Current roster build up sucks. Ffs Jonathan Isaac and Mo Bamba were his back to back lottery picks. Those guys are same player, with identical skillsets ( on paper, one never had any skills to being with) . They are perfect example how guy has no vision of basketball. Who in modern basketball would ever thought about playing two- stiff- no-passing- no shot making- no dribbling bigs , who can't set screens and serve no purpose on offense?
It is crazy. It is crazy that Magic are first apron team with guard rotation made out of two men: hurt Jalen Suggs and declining KCP. Today, Magic don't have single PG on roster. Non.
Best PG Magic had since he took over was DJ Augustin or Corey Joseph?

Not once, since he took over, Orlando had anything close to okey- offense. Vast majority of roster makeups sucked ( and as a result, 1/8 version of his team was solid, 2/8 were mediocre, 5/8 were pathetic suckers ). And now i should trust him into making several trades for guards, after stock piling overpaid role players that declined after fat contracts?
I can hope. Do i belive he can fix it this summer ? No.
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eyriq wrote:Ranting about timelines like they’re all supposed to align, but somehow missed the basic fact that Paolo is 22 and just finishing year three. SGA is 26. Haliburton is 25. Their teams were supposed to hit sooner. Ours wasn’t. Pretending Orlando should’ve pushed chips in at the same time is how you end up misunderstanding a rebuild entirely. This offseason is when it’s supposed to happen...and it is.
Where you are mistaken is this idea that GMs are either “pushing all their chips in” or sitting back doing absolutely nothing.
Good GMs are constantly making trades on the margins.
Constantly acquiring guys that other teams cannot develop, like Nesmith in a throw in, or trading second round picks for Toppin is how you round out a roster.
It’s no surprise one of Weltmans better acquisitions (Goga) is like his 5th or 6th best asset to trade because he actually took a low effort risk.
Weltman has NO chips. He has draft picks and a well made swap. His actual trade pieces are a bunch of low value assets I just named that he’s held onto forever.
It doesn’t matter how old your core is. The entire front office, coaching, and development staff know exactly the skillsets of Paolo/Franz/Suggs. They have more information than you or I after watching every game. I refuse to believe they are waiting for some arbitrary timeframe to start making decisions because they are unaware of what this team lacks.
Those are just ridiculous hoops to jump through to buy into this idea that it’s all part of the plan.
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VFX wrote:eyriq wrote:Ranting about timelines like they’re all supposed to align, but somehow missed the basic fact that Paolo is 22 and just finishing year three. SGA is 26. Haliburton is 25. Their teams were supposed to hit sooner. Ours wasn’t. Pretending Orlando should’ve pushed chips in at the same time is how you end up misunderstanding a rebuild entirely. This offseason is when it’s supposed to happen...and it is.
Where you are mistaken is this idea that GMs are either “pushing all their chips in” or sitting back doing absolutely nothing.
Good GMs are constantly making trades on the margins.
Constantly acquiring guys that other teams cannot develop, like Nesmith in a throw in, or trading second round picks for Toppin is how you round out a roster.
It’s no surprise one of Weltmans better acquisitions (Goga) is like his 5th or 6th best asset to trade because he actually took a low effort risk.
Weltman has NO chips. He has draft picks and a well made swap. His actual trade pieces are a bunch of low value assets I just named that he’s held onto forever.
It doesn’t matter how old your core is. The entire front office, coaching, and development staff know exactly the skillsets of Paolo/Franz/Suggs. They have more information than you or I after watching every game. I refuse to believe they are waiting for some arbitrary timeframe to start making decisions because they are unaware of what this team lacks.
Those are just ridiculous hoops to jump through to buy into this idea that it’s all part of the plan.
linear progression don't you know



A scoring guard.. never heard of one. 

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VFX wrote:eyriq wrote:Ranting about timelines like they’re all supposed to align, but somehow missed the basic fact that Paolo is 22 and just finishing year three. SGA is 26. Haliburton is 25. Their teams were supposed to hit sooner. Ours wasn’t. Pretending Orlando should’ve pushed chips in at the same time is how you end up misunderstanding a rebuild entirely. This offseason is when it’s supposed to happen...and it is.
Where you are mistaken is this idea that GMs are either “pushing all their chips in” or sitting back doing absolutely nothing.
Good GMs are constantly making trades on the margins.
Constantly acquiring guys that other teams cannot develop, like Nesmith in a throw in, or trading second round picks for Toppin is how you round out a roster.
It’s no surprise one of Weltmans better acquisitions (Goga) is like his 5th or 6th best asset to trade because he actually took a low effort risk.
Weltman has NO chips. He has draft picks and a well made swap. His actual trade pieces are a bunch of low value assets I just named that he’s held onto forever.
It doesn’t matter how old your core is. The entire front office, coaching, and development staff know exactly the skillsets of Paolo/Franz/Suggs. They have more information than you or I after watching every game. I refuse to believe they are waiting for some arbitrary timeframe to start making decisions because they are unaware of what this team lacks.
Those are just ridiculous hoops to jump through to buy into this idea that it’s all part of the plan.
Yeah and even Weltman admits to this with his deadline quote of “Well we tried but everyone tried squeezing us.”
That’s because teams knew you couldn’t do anything but trade your core because no one wanted your low value assets. They wanted Suggs. They wanted Franz and or they want your draft picks. Not Cole Anthony. Not Jett Howard.
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89Magicfan wrote:VFX wrote:eyriq wrote:Ranting about timelines like they’re all supposed to align, but somehow missed the basic fact that Paolo is 22 and just finishing year three. SGA is 26. Haliburton is 25. Their teams were supposed to hit sooner. Ours wasn’t. Pretending Orlando should’ve pushed chips in at the same time is how you end up misunderstanding a rebuild entirely. This offseason is when it’s supposed to happen...and it is.
Where you are mistaken is this idea that GMs are either “pushing all their chips in” or sitting back doing absolutely nothing.
Good GMs are constantly making trades on the margins.
Constantly acquiring guys that other teams cannot develop, like Nesmith in a throw in, or trading second round picks for Toppin is how you round out a roster.
It’s no surprise one of Weltmans better acquisitions (Goga) is like his 5th or 6th best asset to trade because he actually took a low effort risk.
Weltman has NO chips. He has draft picks and a well made swap. His actual trade pieces are a bunch of low value assets I just named that he’s held onto forever.
It doesn’t matter how old your core is. The entire front office, coaching, and development staff know exactly the skillsets of Paolo/Franz/Suggs. They have more information than you or I after watching every game. I refuse to believe they are waiting for some arbitrary timeframe to start making decisions because they are unaware of what this team lacks.
Those are just ridiculous hoops to jump through to buy into this idea that it’s all part of the plan.
Yeah and even Weltman admits to this with his deadline quote of “Well we tried but everyone tried squeezing us.”
That’s because teams knew you couldn’t do anything but trade your core because no one wanted your low value assets. They wanted Suggs. They wanted Franz and or they want your draft picks. Not Cole Anthony. Not Jett Howard.
they probably wanted AB and a 1st... I'd imagine that was the asking price especially for White
A scoring guard.. never heard of one. 

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VFX wrote:eyriq wrote:Ranting about timelines like they’re all supposed to align, but somehow missed the basic fact that Paolo is 22 and just finishing year three. SGA is 26. Haliburton is 25. Their teams were supposed to hit sooner. Ours wasn’t. Pretending Orlando should’ve pushed chips in at the same time is how you end up misunderstanding a rebuild entirely. This offseason is when it’s supposed to happen...and it is.
Where you are mistaken is this idea that GMs are either “pushing all their chips in” or sitting back doing absolutely nothing.
Good GMs are constantly making trades on the margins.
Constantly acquiring guys that other teams cannot develop, like Nesmith in a throw in, or trading second round picks for Toppin is how you round out a roster.
It’s no surprise one of Weltmans better acquisitions (Goga) is like his 5th or 6th best asset to trade because he actually took a low effort risk.
Weltman has NO chips. He has draft picks and a well made swap. His actual trade pieces are a bunch of low value assets I just named that he’s held onto forever.
It doesn’t matter how old your core is. The entire front office, coaching, and development staff know exactly the skillsets of Paolo/Franz/Suggs. They have more information than you or I after watching every game. I refuse to believe they are waiting for some arbitrary timeframe to start making decisions because they are unaware of what this team lacks.
Those are just ridiculous hoops to jump through to buy into this idea that it’s all part of the plan.
You're trying to flatten rebuild timelines into some universal formula, but that’s not how it works. Orlando is just now transitioning into win-now mode because that’s where our core is developmentally. OKC and Indiana are ahead because their lead stars were older and broke out sooner. That doesn’t make Weltman negligent for not trading bench pieces like Nesmith or Toppin types, those are polish moves, not foundation setters.
The roster wasn't frozen. Contracts were kept short and flexible, and picks were preserved, exactly so we’d have optionality when it was time. And that time is now. Acting like he should’ve flipped role players for marginal gains during the evaluation phase misunderstands what stage we were in and why discipline matters.
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89Magicfan wrote:VFX wrote:eyriq wrote:Ranting about timelines like they’re all supposed to align, but somehow missed the basic fact that Paolo is 22 and just finishing year three. SGA is 26. Haliburton is 25. Their teams were supposed to hit sooner. Ours wasn’t. Pretending Orlando should’ve pushed chips in at the same time is how you end up misunderstanding a rebuild entirely. This offseason is when it’s supposed to happen...and it is.
Where you are mistaken is this idea that GMs are either “pushing all their chips in” or sitting back doing absolutely nothing.
Good GMs are constantly making trades on the margins.
Constantly acquiring guys that other teams cannot develop, like Nesmith in a throw in, or trading second round picks for Toppin is how you round out a roster.
It’s no surprise one of Weltmans better acquisitions (Goga) is like his 5th or 6th best asset to trade because he actually took a low effort risk.
Weltman has NO chips. He has draft picks and a well made swap. His actual trade pieces are a bunch of low value assets I just named that he’s held onto forever.
It doesn’t matter how old your core is. The entire front office, coaching, and development staff know exactly the skillsets of Paolo/Franz/Suggs. They have more information than you or I after watching every game. I refuse to believe they are waiting for some arbitrary timeframe to start making decisions because they are unaware of what this team lacks.
Those are just ridiculous hoops to jump through to buy into this idea that it’s all part of the plan.
Yeah and even Weltman admits to this with his deadline quote of “Well we tried but everyone tried squeezing us.”
That’s because teams knew you couldn’t do anything but trade your core because no one wanted your low value assets. They wanted Suggs. They wanted Franz and or they want your draft picks. Not Cole Anthony. Not Jett Howard.
The thing that a lot of casuals (and even some non casuals) don’t understand is that Front Offices DO NOT NEED to ONLY target extremely high value well-known commodities.
Nesmith two years ago was viewed as some bench bust.
Toppin was worth two second round picks.
Keon Ellis, a guy everyone loves now, is now on everyone’s radar after two season of who cares.
Scottie Pippen Jr. is now on peoples radar.
These players exist across the league and are all better low value risks to acquire. Good Front Offices like OKC find ways of testing the market. They don’t need to constantly be targeting high cost known commodities. Holding onto low value assets achieves nothing and restricts your asset pool.
That’s why I’m rolling my eyes at Derrick White trades for this team. No, getting Derrick White existed when he was on the Spurs. You buy low and sell high. You don’t buy high and never buy low. Thats how you end up with a roster of garbage bench players in the first apron with little wiggle room.
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MartinsIzAfraud wrote:89Magicfan wrote:VFX wrote:
Where you are mistaken is this idea that GMs are either “pushing all their chips in” or sitting back doing absolutely nothing.
Good GMs are constantly making trades on the margins.
Constantly acquiring guys that other teams cannot develop, like Nesmith in a throw in, or trading second round picks for Toppin is how you round out a roster.
It’s no surprise one of Weltmans better acquisitions (Goga) is like his 5th or 6th best asset to trade because he actually took a low effort risk.
Weltman has NO chips. He has draft picks and a well made swap. His actual trade pieces are a bunch of low value assets I just named that he’s held onto forever.
It doesn’t matter how old your core is. The entire front office, coaching, and development staff know exactly the skillsets of Paolo/Franz/Suggs. They have more information than you or I after watching every game. I refuse to believe they are waiting for some arbitrary timeframe to start making decisions because they are unaware of what this team lacks.
Those are just ridiculous hoops to jump through to buy into this idea that it’s all part of the plan.
Yeah and even Weltman admits to this with his deadline quote of “Well we tried but everyone tried squeezing us.”
That’s because teams knew you couldn’t do anything but trade your core because no one wanted your low value assets. They wanted Suggs. They wanted Franz and or they want your draft picks. Not Cole Anthony. Not Jett Howard.
they probably wanted AB and a 1st... I'd imagine that was the asking price especially for White
I’m willing to bet that was the asking price for Simons as well.
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89Magicfan wrote:MartinsIzAfraud wrote:89Magicfan wrote:
Yeah and even Weltman admits to this with his deadline quote of “Well we tried but everyone tried squeezing us.”
That’s because teams knew you couldn’t do anything but trade your core because no one wanted your low value assets. They wanted Suggs. They wanted Franz and or they want your draft picks. Not Cole Anthony. Not Jett Howard.
they probably wanted AB and a 1st... I'd imagine that was the asking price especially for White
I’m willing to bet that was the asking price for Simons as well.
I think we can all agree for better or worse the Magic are super high on AB. I wonder if they would pull the trigger on trading him if it was for Trae?
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mattdelray1220 wrote:89Magicfan wrote:MartinsIzAfraud wrote:they probably wanted AB and a 1st... I'd imagine that was the asking price especially for White
I’m willing to bet that was the asking price for Simons as well.
I think we can all agree for better or worse the Magic are super high on AB. I wonder if they would pull the trigger on trading him if it was for Trae?
They would be stupid not to. Yeah try not to include him if you can but for Trae, I’d pack for him.
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89Magicfan wrote:MartinsIzAfraud wrote:89Magicfan wrote:
Yeah and even Weltman admits to this with his deadline quote of “Well we tried but everyone tried squeezing us.”
That’s because teams knew you couldn’t do anything but trade your core because no one wanted your low value assets. They wanted Suggs. They wanted Franz and or they want your draft picks. Not Cole Anthony. Not Jett Howard.
they probably wanted AB and a 1st... I'd imagine that was the asking price especially for White
I’m willing to bet that was the asking price for Simons as well.
ultimately, I think a deal gets done with Gary + Cole and 1st for mid tier combo guard
i'd think hard about 25 + AB.. would ultimately depend on who we take at 16 and or if I could upgrade further 16+ Cole for a piece.
A scoring guard.. never heard of one. 

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Weltman def should and could have done more especially around the margins. People acting like the CBA isn't killing teams though for making the wrong moves at the wrong time aren't living in reality. Make a misstep and you screw over your window completely. Once again, it starts with Franz/Paolo ACTUALLY evolving into top 10-15 players. If one of them doesn't do this, all this talk about contending and championships don't matter anyway.
eyriq is right in that the window is actually beginning NOW and not the 2-3 years before people wanted to just go all-in with a bunch of 20 year olds seemingly (or the equivalent of using a bunch of assets to do so). And for the people not saying this, then the around-the-margin moves maybe would've gotten us 2nd round this year or not even mattered by the time Paolo/Franz are in their primes.
Luckily even though we've been inactive, we still have every asset at our disposal and can move our guys to improve. We didn't use everything like the Knicks or have an aged out superstar looking for a ring before moving elsewhere.
Doesn't mean all is good and we're sitting completely pretty. Still takes Weltman to actually do something (which we haven't had a lot of hope in yet) - but people also realize where doom and gloom is starting to take over versus the reality of the situation which is being in a pretty decent spot.
We'll see. I'll say 28/30 fanbases end the season either disappointed or just hoping for young guys to actually be something.
eyriq is right in that the window is actually beginning NOW and not the 2-3 years before people wanted to just go all-in with a bunch of 20 year olds seemingly (or the equivalent of using a bunch of assets to do so). And for the people not saying this, then the around-the-margin moves maybe would've gotten us 2nd round this year or not even mattered by the time Paolo/Franz are in their primes.
Luckily even though we've been inactive, we still have every asset at our disposal and can move our guys to improve. We didn't use everything like the Knicks or have an aged out superstar looking for a ring before moving elsewhere.
Doesn't mean all is good and we're sitting completely pretty. Still takes Weltman to actually do something (which we haven't had a lot of hope in yet) - but people also realize where doom and gloom is starting to take over versus the reality of the situation which is being in a pretty decent spot.
We'll see. I'll say 28/30 fanbases end the season either disappointed or just hoping for young guys to actually be something.
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VFX wrote:Weltman has NO chips. He has draft picks and a well made swap. His actual trade pieces are a bunch of low value assets I just named that he’s held onto forever.
You gotta stop saying this. The draft picks literally are the trade chips that matter.
The Pacers acquired Siakam for one wildly overpaid role player who was expiring (team option) and three first round picks. The first two of those draft picks were 19th overall and 29th overall.
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Since nobody can agree, we are running it back!
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RichCollab wrote:Since nobody can agree, we are running it back!
you want to watch the board burn huh


i can't imagine what this would look like
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Nobody wants that lolRichCollab wrote:Since nobody can agree, we are running it back!
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eyriq wrote:Nobody wants that lolRichCollab wrote:Since nobody can agree, we are running it back!
Sorry but it’s already been decided. We had 1000 + pages to find some common ground.
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It's a little of everything. First of all Indiana was not solely led by haliburton.... Siakim & turner (and even McConnell) played a huge role in leading these teams to the ecf & now the finals(siakim just won ecf MVP). Very high end vets that bring a pedigree like non other on this magic roster (we hoped kcp would do that and he completely flopped).
OKC is being led by an MVP in his absolute prime at 26 years old. You just can't compare that to a team throwing out a 22 & 23 as there best players. It's not comparable no matter how young the rest of the roster around sga is.
Orlando last season has absolutely nothing close to the veteran leading that Indy team last season and now this year. Just look at the core of players getting minutes on the magic last season.
I'm completely over weltman act and want him and the ownership gone but u just can't compare these teams. The magic are similar to Detroit, houston, etc. And even then those teams have a way stronger veteran presence then the magic (Brooks, van vleet, Adams, hardway jr, Beasley, Schroeder) and yet some how the magic still went 500 ( being one of the most injured teams in the league). And yet some how the magic still won 47 games last season without any strong veteran leadership (unless you count the ghost of Ingles as that).
I don't trust weltman. But if he were to make actually moves and the magic have a healthy season this team is easily a 50 plus win team and could easily make the ecf with the right match ups. It's pretty clear.
OKC is being led by an MVP in his absolute prime at 26 years old. You just can't compare that to a team throwing out a 22 & 23 as there best players. It's not comparable no matter how young the rest of the roster around sga is.
Orlando last season has absolutely nothing close to the veteran leading that Indy team last season and now this year. Just look at the core of players getting minutes on the magic last season.
I'm completely over weltman act and want him and the ownership gone but u just can't compare these teams. The magic are similar to Detroit, houston, etc. And even then those teams have a way stronger veteran presence then the magic (Brooks, van vleet, Adams, hardway jr, Beasley, Schroeder) and yet some how the magic still went 500 ( being one of the most injured teams in the league). And yet some how the magic still won 47 games last season without any strong veteran leadership (unless you count the ghost of Ingles as that).
I don't trust weltman. But if he were to make actually moves and the magic have a healthy season this team is easily a 50 plus win team and could easily make the ecf with the right match ups. It's pretty clear.
GO MAGIC