Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIV Off-Season Edition)

OrlChamps2030 · Post #901 » by **OrlChamps2030** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:16 am

MagicFan41 wrote:
Nyce_1 wrote:Jameer
Afflalo/Redick
Harkless/Turk
Davis/Nicholson
Vucevic/KO/Ayon

The funny thing is this is somewhat similar to the post-Melo Nuggets....if we can somehow turn into them, it'll be a ton of fun to watch.

Dude, the Nuggets got back Gallo, Wilson Chandler, and Mozgov.

crazytown · Post #902 » by **crazytown** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:17 am

FFBlitzace wrote:I like how ESPN keeps rolling this highlight clip that includes Dwight making a jumpshot. As if it was something Dwight made more than 20% of the time.

(I'm getting started on the Dwight hating, which is now our sworn duty)

I'm already there!! Gonna be funny as hell when Laker fans realize you cant go to Dwight in the 4thQ. Most of them think they're getting the next Shaq. :lol:

Leissak · Post #903 » by **Leissak** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:17 am

How is Harkless tradeable when he signed his rookie deal on July 24th?

OrlandoMagic · Post #904 » by **OrlandoMagic** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:18 am

Some give me some info on vucevic? I have nothing on him, what's best and worst case scenario?

Post #905 » by **Def Swami** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:19 am

Leissak wrote:How is Harkless tradeable when he signed his rookie deal on July 24th?

You can agree to trades ahead of time. They'd become official as soon as players are made available to be traded.

thelead · Post #906 » by **thelead** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:19 am

MagicFan41 wrote:
mattyBoi wrote:Funniest part? Even if we ship out Duhon, we have cleared NO cap yayyyyyyyyyyyyyy

???

Yes, that we have actually. Dwight + Duhon + JRich + Clark is about $30+mil cleared. We take back $1.7 Harkless, $8mil Afflalo, $7mil Harrington (but only like $3.5mil guaranteed next year), $1.7 Vucevic. Plus you never know....maybe we throw in another guy (Turk, Q, ?) to clear a lil more room?

Yay we can sign Dwight Howa... Oh wait... :roll:

dsg2021 · Post #907 » by **dsg2021** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:19 am

mattyBoi wrote:You don't justify a trade by saying we will suck bad enough to tank. There has to be something of real value to gain from a trade.

Three first rounders, Harkless are legit man if you're not under a rock with the drafts and the patience of development. Same with Afflalo as a young vet who keeps improving. Vucevic is a legit 7 footer but that'll be more a personal opinion if he's high ceiling.

Lotto tanking is not a part of the deal but it is the direction to go. You might not stay a fan but in theory we will have a young exciting team in 3-5 years set to dominate as a top 4 team and you'll be back as a fan for a longer time this time around. I mean I don't know how else you can explain trying to take injury or 28+ vets and hope for something better than Dwight brought, unless you really, really believe Hennigan has got the next Ginobili and Parker in the 2nd/late 1st.

InFlames · Post #908 » by **InFlames** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:19 am

Harkless signed his deal on the 9th. Was announced on the 23rd.

sefant77 · Post #909 » by **sefant77** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:20 am

I dont get the timeline. There was two months into training camp. Two months where he could try to lure Morey into giving up Lamb or the Raptors pick. Or trying the 3-way with the Cavs...

He also knew any day after dec 15 he could call Cuban and trade Dwight/jrich for Kaman/Mayo/Collison and two/three future first. That backup solution is probably even better than this trade.

So i really dont get it...

Nyce_1 · Post #910 » by **Nyce_1** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:20 am

Harkless signed his deal on July 9th but it wasn't reported until the 23rd.

MagicFan41 · Post #911 » by **MagicFan41** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:20 am

Zmill wrote:
MagicFan41 wrote:
Nyce_1 wrote:Jameer
Afflalo/Redick
Harkless/Turk
Davis/Nicholson
Vucevic/KO/Ayon

The funny thing is this is somewhat similar to the post-Melo Nuggets....if we can somehow turn into them, it'll be a ton of fun to watch.

Dude, the Nuggets got back Gallo, Wilson Chandler, and Mozgov.

Mozgov was laughed at before that trade when it was said he was a sticking-point that the Nuggets said they had to have -> Vucevic

Gallo -> Similar numbers to Afflalo

Chandler -> Harkless could turn exactly into that type of player

In fact....go look up their numbers in NYC before they were traded...They're almost identical to the pieces we are getting.

LOL. They weren't exactly making NYC a contender when they were there, weren't exactly household names....

ADRajX · Post #912 » by **ADRajX** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:21 am

Time to begin the next era... no matter what

cvMagic · Post #913 » by **cvMagic** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:21 am

crazytown wrote:
FFBlitzace wrote:I like how ESPN keeps rolling this highlight clip that includes Dwight making a jumpshot. As if it was something Dwight made more than 20% of the time.

(I'm getting started on the Dwight hating, which is now our sworn duty)

I'm already there!! Gonna be funny as hell when Laker fans realize you cant go to Dwight in the 4thQ. Most of them think they're getting the next Shaq.

Poor Lakers. They'll have to console themselves with letting Kobe, Nash, Gasol, and Jamison do the scoring then. How I feel for them.

thelead · Post #914 » by **thelead** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:22 am

Gallo has star potential... You cannot seriously be compairing Afflalo to him.

Post #915 » by **Bensational** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:23 am

Nyce_1 wrote:Jameer
Afflalo/Redick
Harkless/Turk
Davis/Nicholson/Harrington
Vucevic/KO/Ayon

so.... what's the long term plan here?

Afflalo is obviously key to this. Hennigan either believes he's got big potential, or believes he's great value for the contract he's signed to.

here's the pipe dreaming optimist in me... Hennigan knows that Oklahoma will need an affordable alternative to Harden moving forwards, and maybe Afflalo is that piece? paying Afflalo $7M per season as opposed to a max/near max deal for Harden could become a very real factor in a future deal?

mattyBoi · Post #916 » by **mattyBoi** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:23 am

MagicFan41 wrote:
mattyBoi wrote:Funniest part? Even if we ship out Duhon, we have cleared NO cap yayyyyyyyyyyyyyy

???

Yes, that we have actually. Dwight + Duhon + JRich + Clark is about $30+mil cleared. We take back $1.7 Harkless, $8mil Afflalo, $7mil Harrington (but only like $3.5mil guaranteed next year), $1.7 Vucevic. Plus you never know....maybe we throw in another guy (Turk, Q, ?) to clear a lil more room?

Harrington is 50% unguranteed after the next season. Afflalo makes more than J Rich and for more years, negating the loss of Duhon who was only due 1.5 million after this year. Clark is an expiring. So we basically added salary.

Post #917 » by **Def Swami** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:23 am

AMartins@orlandomagic.com

Leissak · Post #918 » by **Leissak** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:25 am

I don't know about you guys, but the fact that we'll no longer have to see Duhon post up to get past half-court makes this deal oh-so sweet.

TheLastDon · Post #919 » by **TheLastDon** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:25 am

Front headline on RealGM states a conference call Friday morning to NBA offices about proposed 4 team trade, I WILL wait to pass judgement until finalized trade is announced

crazytown · Post #920 » by **crazytown** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:25 am

cvMagic wrote:
crazytown wrote:
FFBlitzace wrote:I like how ESPN keeps rolling this highlight clip that includes Dwight making a jumpshot. As if it was something Dwight made more than 20% of the time.

(I'm getting started on the Dwight hating, which is now our sworn duty)

I'm already there!! Gonna be funny as hell when Laker fans realize you cant go to Dwight in the 4thQ. Most of them think they're getting the next Shaq.

Poor Lakers. They'll have to console themselves with letting Kobe, Nash, Gasol, and Jamison do the scoring then. How I feel for them.

Pretty unstoppable team..........if we were in 2008