Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team"

[MagicFan4Lyfe]

I would do Fultz Fournier and Aminu for Russ.

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No way unless you know for a fact that Fultz' 3 is never coming back. Have you seen Russ' contract?

A Westbrook trade would remind me of a Steve Francis trade- ohhh look, sexy big name. Oh wait... its all hype and won't move the needle.

[Nyce_1]

Camp starts this week! As boring as the off-season was, I'm excited to watch our team.

[Mrrags009]

Good point. However if you extend Fultz it's starting at 20 per year and he'd sign before you know if his shot is coming back

I would do Fultz Fournier and Aminu for Russ.

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No way unless you know for a fact that Fultz' 3 is never coming back. Have you seen Russ' contract?

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[D12VCMagic]

It would be hard to watch this team with Westbrook. I also think it would completely set us back. I like the course we're on.

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I’m not a big fan of bringing in Westbrook either, but does management even know what course we are on? Not trying to be argumentative at all, but what do you like about our course?

If we sit on this roster all season (no trades) and land with a mid-FRP then there needs to be a fan driven push for the removal of key decision makers. End of story.

Let’s be real. If that is what happens, half the fan base will he super hyped to spend $100 on another orange Vucevic or Gordon jersey while acting like making the playoffs three years in a row as a bottom seed in a terrible conference with no hopes of advancing is something to celebrate. There will never be a fan push for anything in Orlando.

[pepe1991]

If we have some horrific start of a season ( say 3-10) can we tank but this time with actual idea what to do with pick(s) ? Not draft 5 Cs because they are allegedly BPA because some guy hired on ESPN said so?

I just can't see scenario where
Fultz/ Anthony (rookie)
Evan ( Trade bait) / Ross ( trade bait)
nobody worh mentioning/ Ennins
Gordon/Aminu/Okeke (rookie)/ Clark
Vuc ( trade bait) / Bamba (trade bait ) / Birch (Trade bait)

will win more than 30 games. It would either be Evan, Gordon, Vuc having all 18-22 ppg seasons for 35 wins, or complete disaster.

[SOUL]

Pretty sure the disaster in that scenario is winning 35 games and exiting first round lol. I have no expectations for this upcoming season at all other than growth and making moves for next season. I don't want to tear everything down but I want to see a new team out there unless somehow we prove everybody wrong and start out super strong, which I doubt

[drsd]

... will win more than 30 games.

30 wins is a nearly certain ticket to the play-ins. Probably as the #9 seed but perhaps as the #10 seed. That is not a terrible outcome for this season.

... winning 35 games and exiting first round ...

35 wins is a major result for this team. That is probably the #8 seed in the play-ins, and I agree this is about the upside for the current roster.


To avoid the play-in all together, Orlando would need to look to a 40+ win season (something that is a >>55% win rate). That just is not a realistic goal.

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[GelbeWand09]

If we have some horrific start of a season ( say 3-10) can we tank but this time with actual idea what to do with pick(s) ? Not draft 5 Cs because they are allegedly BPA because some guy hired on ESPN said so?

I just can't see scenario where
Fultz/ Anthony (rookie)
Evan ( Trade bait) / Ross ( trade bait)
nobody worh mentioning/ Ennins
Gordon/Aminu/Okeke (rookie)/ Clark
Vuc ( trade bait) / Bamba (trade bait ) / Birch (Trade bait)

will win more than 30 games. It would either be Evan, Gordon, Vuc having all 18-22 ppg seasons for 35 wins, or complete disaster.

I think the play in Tournament killed any chance for a early tank job. Even at the deadline i cant really see it. They ignored every bad starts (or even bad first 40 games) the last 2 years too. Plus, i'm still not 100% sold on Atlanta & Charlotte being better than us. Charlotte was 10 wins worse than us & added injury phrone Hayward & a rookie PG (who's gonna be a negative player). Atlanta added to a bad defensive team, including the worst defender in the leaque, another bunch of non defenders. I can see both being better than us, but i woudnt bet on it for sure.

[pepe1991]

If we have some horrific start of a season ( say 3-10) can we tank but this time with actual idea what to do with pick(s) ? Not draft 5 Cs because they are allegedly BPA because some guy hired on ESPN said so?

I just can't see scenario where
Fultz/ Anthony (rookie)
Evan ( Trade bait) / Ross ( trade bait)
nobody worh mentioning/ Ennins
Gordon/Aminu/Okeke (rookie)/ Clark
Vuc ( trade bait) / Bamba (trade bait ) / Birch (Trade bait)

will win more than 30 games. It would either be Evan, Gordon, Vuc having all 18-22 ppg seasons for 35 wins, or complete disaster.

I think the play in Tournament killed any chance for a early tank job. Even at the deadline i cant really see it. They ignored every bad starts (or even bad first 40 games) the last 2 years too. Plus, i'm still not 100% sold on Atlanta & Charlotte being better than us. Charlotte was 10 wins worse than us & added injury phrone Hayward & a rookie PG (who's gonna be a negative player). Atlanta added to a bad defensive team, including the worst defender in the leaque, another bunch of non defenders. I can see both being better than us, but i woudnt bet on it for sure.

So, pending another 13-17 draft pick?

I'm looking at our starting 5 and i just can't imagine winning more than 35 games .

Hawks and Wizards have no defense ,but boy ,they can score.

Wizards starting 5 will be : Wall,Beal, Avdija, Grant and Bryant//// Bertans,Robin Lopez, Ish Smith bench.
That sounds like more talented team than Orlando.

We already talked about Hawks.

More i go through our roster less upside i see for present or/and future. This is depressing bunch of players Magic have in salary books now. Combination of draft busts, average vets, playres who's stock dropped due injuries, bench players...
And fact there is no cap space makes it even more depressing. They will either trade Evan for 2 average players ( or one) or lose him for nothing, and STILL be without cap space because Isaac and Fultz cap holds are massive.

[basketballRob]

If we have some horrific start of a season ( say 3-10) can we tank but this time with actual idea what to do with pick(s) ? Not draft 5 Cs because they are allegedly BPA because some guy hired on ESPN said so?

I just can't see scenario where
Fultz/ Anthony (rookie)
Evan ( Trade bait) / Ross ( trade bait)
nobody worh mentioning/ Ennins
Gordon/Aminu/Okeke (rookie)/ Clark
Vuc ( trade bait) / Bamba (trade bait ) / Birch (Trade bait)

will win more than 30 games. It would either be Evan, Gordon, Vuc having all 18-22 ppg seasons for 35 wins, or complete disaster.

I think the play in Tournament killed any chance for a early tank job. Even at the deadline i cant really see it. They ignored every bad starts (or even bad first 40 games) the last 2 years too. Plus, i'm still not 100% sold on Atlanta & Charlotte being better than us. Charlotte was 10 wins worse than us & added injury phrone Hayward & a rookie PG (who's gonna be a negative player). Atlanta added to a bad defensive team, including the worst defender in the leaque, another bunch of non defenders. I can see both being better than us, but i woudnt bet on it for sure.

So, pending another 13-17 draft pick?

I'm looking at our starting 5 and i just can't imagine winning more than 35 games .

Hawks and Wizards have no defense ,but boy ,they can score.

Wizards starting 5 will be : Wall,Beal, Avdija, Grant and Bryant//// Bertans,Robin Lopez, Ish Smith bench.
That sounds like more talented team than Orlando.

We already talked about Hawks.

More i go through our roster less upside i see for present or/and future. This is depressing bunch of players Magic have in salary books now. Combination of draft busts, average vets, playres who's stock dropped due injuries, bench players...
And fact there is no cap space makes it even more depressing. They will either trade Evan for 2 average players ( or one) or lose him for nothing, and STILL be without cap space because Isaac and Fultz cap holds are massive.

Atlanta was 26th in offense last season, we were 21st. Atlanta was 28th in defense and we were 9th.

http://www.espn.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats

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[pepe1991]

I think the play in Tournament killed any chance for a early tank job. Even at the deadline i cant really see it. They ignored every bad starts (or even bad first 40 games) the last 2 years too. Plus, i'm still not 100% sold on Atlanta & Charlotte being better than us. Charlotte was 10 wins worse than us & added injury phrone Hayward & a rookie PG (who's gonna be a negative player). Atlanta added to a bad defensive team, including the worst defender in the leaque, another bunch of non defenders. I can see both being better than us, but i woudnt bet on it for sure.

So, pending another 13-17 draft pick?

I'm looking at our starting 5 and i just can't imagine winning more than 35 games .

Hawks and Wizards have no defense ,but boy ,they can score.

Wizards starting 5 will be : Wall,Beal, Avdija, Grant and Bryant//// Bertans,Robin Lopez, Ish Smith bench.
That sounds like more talented team than Orlando.

We already talked about Hawks.

More i go through our roster less upside i see for present or/and future. This is depressing bunch of players Magic have in salary books now. Combination of draft busts, average vets, playres who's stock dropped due injuries, bench players...
And fact there is no cap space makes it even more depressing. They will either trade Evan for 2 average players ( or one) or lose him for nothing, and STILL be without cap space because Isaac and Fultz cap holds are massive.

Atlanta was 26th in offense last season, we were 21st. Atlanta was 28th in defense and we were 9th.

http://www.espn.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats

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They just added:
Clint Capela ( 14 ppg, 14 rpg )
Bogdan Bogdanovic ( 15 ppg, 3,5 rpg, 3,5 ppg, 37% three point shooter )
Danilo Galinari ( 19 ppg, 5 rpg, 40,5% three point shooter)
Tony Snell ( 8 ppg, 40% three point shooter )
Rajon Rondo ( playoffs 9 ppg, 6,6 apg -most apg by backup in nba finals history )
Kriss Dunn ( one of best guard defenders )


This roster will score. This roster wlil have very, very good offensve. Can they defend is real question. But goes without saying they are more talented team than Magic. We split series against their G league roster last year, we have same roster, their roster is well improved. Without even taking in considirations Young, Collins, Hunter, Huerter, Reddish will improve...
Magic, as projected right now, are 9th to 10th seed play- in team.

[basketballRob]

So, pending another 13-17 draft pick?

I'm looking at our starting 5 and i just can't imagine winning more than 35 games .

Hawks and Wizards have no defense ,but boy ,they can score.

Wizards starting 5 will be : Wall,Beal, Avdija, Grant and Bryant//// Bertans,Robin Lopez, Ish Smith bench.
That sounds like more talented team than Orlando.

We already talked about Hawks.

More i go through our roster less upside i see for present or/and future. This is depressing bunch of players Magic have in salary books now. Combination of draft busts, average vets, playres who's stock dropped due injuries, bench players...
And fact there is no cap space makes it even more depressing. They will either trade Evan for 2 average players ( or one) or lose him for nothing, and STILL be without cap space because Isaac and Fultz cap holds are massive.

Atlanta was 26th in offense last season, we were 21st. Atlanta was 28th in defense and we were 9th.

http://www.espn.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats

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They just added:
Clint Capela ( 14 ppg, 14 rpg )
Bogdan Bogdanovic ( 15 ppg, 3,5 rpg, 3,5 ppg, 37% three point shooter )
Danilo Galinari ( 19 ppg, 5 rpg, 40,5% three point shooter)
Tony Snell ( 8 ppg, 40% three point shooter )
Rajon Rondo ( playoffs 9 ppg, 6,6 apg -most apg by backup in nba finals history )
Kriss Dunn ( one of best guard defenders )


This roster will score. This roster wlil have very, very good offensve. Can they defend is real question. But goes without saying they are more talented team than Magic. We split series against their G league roster last year, we have same roster, their roster is well improved. Without even taking in considirations Young, Collins, Hunter, Huerter, Reddish will improve...
Magic, as projected right now, are 9th to 10th seed play- in team.

We split against the Lakers last season too.

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[pepe1991]

Atlanta was 26th in offense last season, we were 21st. Atlanta was 28th in defense and we were 9th.

http://www.espn.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats

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They just added:
Clint Capela ( 14 ppg, 14 rpg )
Bogdan Bogdanovic ( 15 ppg, 3,5 rpg, 3,5 ppg, 37% three point shooter )
Danilo Galinari ( 19 ppg, 5 rpg, 40,5% three point shooter)
Tony Snell ( 8 ppg, 40% three point shooter )
Rajon Rondo ( playoffs 9 ppg, 6,6 apg -most apg by backup in nba finals history )
Kriss Dunn ( one of best guard defenders )


This roster will score. This roster wlil have very, very good offensve. Can they defend is real question. But goes without saying they are more talented team than Magic. We split series against their G league roster last year, we have same roster, their roster is well improved. Without even taking in considirations Young, Collins, Hunter, Huerter, Reddish will improve...
Magic, as projected right now, are 9th to 10th seed play- in team.

We split against the Lakers last season too.

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Completely irrelevant, just like offensive and defensive rating from previous year of a team that changed 7 key rotation players is.
This Hawks team is first roster in 4 years that actually tries to win.

[basketballRob]

They just added:
Clint Capela ( 14 ppg, 14 rpg )
Bogdan Bogdanovic ( 15 ppg, 3,5 rpg, 3,5 ppg, 37% three point shooter )
Danilo Galinari ( 19 ppg, 5 rpg, 40,5% three point shooter)
Tony Snell ( 8 ppg, 40% three point shooter )
Rajon Rondo ( playoffs 9 ppg, 6,6 apg -most apg by backup in nba finals history )
Kriss Dunn ( one of best guard defenders )


This roster will score. This roster wlil have very, very good offensve. Can they defend is real question. But goes without saying they are more talented team than Magic. We split series against their G league roster last year, we have same roster, their roster is well improved. Without even taking in considirations Young, Collins, Hunter, Huerter, Reddish will improve...
Magic, as projected right now, are 9th to 10th seed play- in team.

We split against the Lakers last season too.

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Completely irrelevant, just like offensive and defensive rating from previous year of a team that changed 7 key rotation players is.
This Hawks team is first roster in 4 years that actually tries to win.

Putting a team on paper is different. The core still has to overcome a terrible offense and defense. I don't see it.

Even when they put together the Heatles they had a losing record at the beginning. It usually takes about 15 games to gel. This year they need to overcome a shortened training camp and season. If Atlanta keeps the team together, i think they have a better chance in 2021-22.

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[Nyce_1]

Good point. However if you extend Fultz it's starting at 20 per year and he'd sign before you know if his shot is coming back

I would do Fultz Fournier and Aminu for Russ.

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No way unless you know for a fact that Fultz' 3 is never coming back. Have you seen Russ' contract?

IF our FO extends him for $20M+, i'm pretty sure they are confident his shot is working back. They see him every time he works out in the gym.

[basketballRob]

Good point. However if you extend Fultz it's starting at 20 per year and he'd sign before you know if his shot is coming back

No way unless you know for a fact that Fultz' 3 is never coming back. Have you seen Russ' contract?

IF our FO extends him for $20M+, i'm pretty sure they are confident his shot is working back. They see him every time he works out in the gym.

If you up his usage and minutes a little this year he could easily average 20 ppg. 20m would be a bargain.

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[Catledge]

They just added:
Clint Capela ( 14 ppg, 14 rpg )
Bogdan Bogdanovic ( 15 ppg, 3,5 rpg, 3,5 ppg, 37% three point shooter )
Danilo Galinari ( 19 ppg, 5 rpg, 40,5% three point shooter)
Tony Snell ( 8 ppg, 40% three point shooter )
Rajon Rondo ( playoffs 9 ppg, 6,6 apg -most apg by backup in nba finals history )
Kriss Dunn ( one of best guard defenders )

There is not a single player on that list that I would have wanted the Magic to sign.

It's possible that a bunch of players that I'm glad we don't have will transform a team that was worse than us into a team that is better than us, but that seems unlikely to me.

[JBSouthpaw]

Is there a drop dead time for J.I. or Fultz extensions?
I was expecting J.I.s to be done before the start
I was fine with a wait and see with Fultz.

[Nyce_1]

Good point. However if you extend Fultz it's starting at 20 per year and he'd sign before you know if his shot is coming back

IF our FO extends him for $20M+, i'm pretty sure they are confident his shot is working back. They see him every time he works out in the gym.

If you up his usage and minutes a little this year he could easily average 20 ppg. 20m would be a bargain.

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It's crazy we're now saying $20M for a player is a BARGAIN, lol.

I'm definitely watching to see what happens with his extension.

[Nyce_1]

Is there a drop dead time for J.I. or Fultz extensions?
I was expecting J.I.s to be done before the start
I was fine with a wait and see with Fultz.

extensions for 2017 draft class have to be signed by 12/21; last day before season starts.