G4: Magic(1-2) vs. Pacers(2-1)

[eyriq]

whats ironic is yesterday ryan said, i dont create my own offense, im not the type of player that dribbles or drives to the basket, i just make shots

I'm not saying Ryan can create his own shot, I'm saying that "Glenn cannot create his own shot any more than Anderson can".

[FFBlitzace]

whats ironic is yesterday ryan said, i dont create my own offense, im not the type of player that dribbles or drives to the basket, i just make shots

I'm not saying Ryan can create his own shot, I'm saying that "Glenn cannot create his own shot any more than Anderson can".

You know I've got your back, but if this deteriorates into a bar room brawl, I fear I'll be less than useless.

[eyriq]

whats ironic is yesterday ryan said, i dont create my own offense, im not the type of player that dribbles or drives to the basket, i just make shots

I'm not saying Ryan can create his own shot, I'm saying that "Glenn cannot create his own shot any more than Anderson can".

You know I've got your back, but if this deteriorates into a bar room brawl, I fear I'll be less than useless.

[ChildishGambino]

Where the Q lovers at? i thought he should be a starter? what happened? half-kidding you guys

[magicman123]

Where the Q lovers at? i thought he should be a starter? what happened? half-kidding you guys

should start over hedo or something

[ChildishGambino]

Where the Q lovers at? i thought he should be a starter? what happened? half-kidding you guys

should start over hedo or something

or he shouldn't play at all....him and duhon was a waste of minutes....would of been better spent playing wafer and Ish...

[ChildishGambino]

HERE WE GO....MAYWEATHER/COTTO....LET'S GET IT....got money on the fight so excuse my excitement....

[Bensational]

maybe he looked at the fact that Baby had hit 10-18FGAs that night? he was shooting considerably better than most others on the night. this is why relying on averages fails, because averages don't account for the form of the player on the night. Baby may hit that shot at a lower percentage on average, but on nights where he shoots over 50%, how accurate is he then??

Glen can create his shot more than Anderson because Glen regularly puts the ball on the floor and drives into the paint from the high post. it's not pretty, but he does it, and he has success with it.

the reason the Pacers don't guard that shot is because it's a low percentage shot. in fact, it's the lowest percentage shot in the game. i'm not sure why Stan is allowing BBD to take it with such frequency, tbh.

a BBD/Dwight combo would work just fine, if given the minutes and opportunity. the reason Ryan has been more successful is because this is his 3rd year in the system, and it's the exact same system. BBD was lost at the beginning, and was running and setting picks back like he was still in Boston. any coach that couldn't make a Dwight/BBD front court successful shouldn't be an NBA head coach.

at this point i'd be happy to trade either of them if it meant we could get a significant upgrade in a player like Iggy/Smith/Monta.

Relying on averages fails? Are you sure about this proposition? Understanding a players central tendency is essential to projecting their future performance.

Dwight and BBD have been horrible together for the entire season.

BBD is assisted on 85% of his mid-range shots, and assisted on 65% of his shots at the rim. Anderson takes more shots at the rim and is assisted at 58%. But sure, lets push this myth that Baby can get his own shot better than Anderson, fun times.

yes, averages fail in these circumstances. as i said, how efficiently did Davis hit that shot on nights when he was shooting over 50% (with a hot hand)? because that's the most relevant statistic on a night like tonight.

it's the same reason Stan fails with his reliance on the team's average for hitting 3's. he doesn't look at a cold night and adjust, he just keeps going and expecting it to return to the median at some point.

Glen and Dwight have only had 1 game in which they both played over 30 minutes together. Dwight had 20/22 and Glen had 23/12. and that was in April. it's undeniable that Glen has improved throughout the season as he became more comfortable with the team and the offense. Ryan is definitely a better compliment for Howard - that much is undeniable - but whether or not he will show up when it matters is the big question.

Glen Davis is also only assisted on 42% of his baskets in the 3-9ft range, which is generally where he makes it to when he takes a player off the dribble from the high post. Anderson never takes shots from there, and i attribute that to him being a better team player and sticking to the shots he knows he's good at.

i'm not going to try to pretend that Baby is good at getting his own shots, he just does it more frequently and is better at it than Anderson. IMO, Anderson has a lot of potential on that front, but for whatever reason it's neglected.

as i said, though. i'd trade either of them if it got us a significant upgrade on the wing.

[magicman123]

Where the Q lovers at? i thought he should be a starter? what happened? half-kidding you guys

should start over hedo or something

or he shouldn't play at all....him and duhon was a waste of minutes....would of been better spent playing wafer and Ish...

wafer is a waste, but yea play ish already

[eyriq]

We were 1-2 with Anderson out and Baby starting next to Dwight. Baby went 17-37, 46%, while Dwight went 17-36, 47%. Baby hauled 21 rebounds to Dwight's 46. What does all this back of the napkin math tell us? Nothing at all. You can look over the entire season and see how they've done when both are on the court or one is off the court, and you get a more statistically saturated look that gives a more accurate view of how they play together.

[OrlandO]

HERE WE GO....MAYWEATHER/COTTO....LET'S GET IT....got money on the fight so excuse my excitement....

Mayweather can bleed, he's human. Myth busted.

[ChildishGambino]

Mayweather won the fight by decision....great fight....Mayweather's philly shell defense is just too beastly....but Cotto got some good shots in.....Not a bad deal for Cotto though he gets 8 million win or lose.....Should be Pacquiao/Mayweather next.....which Mayweather would probably lose....

[magicman123]

that fight sucked, thats why i dont waste money to see this crap, mayweather made $3.5mil a round, 1 single round, thats ridiculous, add all that up for a 45 minute event? straight cheese

[Bensational]

We were 1-2 with Anderson out and Baby starting next to Dwight. Baby went 17-37, 46%, while Dwight went 17-36, 47%. Baby hauled 21 rebounds to Dwight's 46. What does all this back of the napkin math tell us? Nothing at all. You can look over the entire season and see how they've done when both are on the court or one is off the court, and you get a more statistically saturated look that gives a more accurate view of how they play together.

You can also look over 5 seasons worth of history with the Magic for a better indication of how Stan has ever managed to make a PF without 3pt range fit next to Dwight.

do you think a Dwight and BBD front court could be successful?

[eyriq]

We were 1-2 with Anderson out and Baby starting next to Dwight. Baby went 17-37, 46%, while Dwight went 17-36, 47%. Baby hauled 21 rebounds to Dwight's 46. What does all this back of the napkin math tell us? Nothing at all. You can look over the entire season and see how they've done when both are on the court or one is off the court, and you get a more statistically saturated look that gives a more accurate view of how they play together.

You can also look over 5 seasons worth of history with the Magic for a better indication of how Stan has ever managed to make a PF without 3pt range fit next to Dwight.

do you think a Dwight and BBD front court could be successful?

Depends on Davis's approach. If he sticks to the intangibles he brings and focuses much less on shooting the ball, then yes, it could be successful. However, his 22.4% usage this year indicates an offensive mindset and he comes across as a malcontent if he isn't given the touches. On offense next to Dwight he is a better seen than heard type player, so I'd like him to focus on setting screens and banging the offensive glass.

[AdamTheGreek]

Beyond heartbreaking. I'm still one waiting for a well-officiated game. Overtimes have not been our friend this year.

It's definitely the loudest I've ever heard Amway Center get (even with the empty seats), so there's that.

Tough to pick yourself up from this.

[magicfan737]

Beyond heartbreaking. I'm still one waiting for a well-officiated game. Overtimes have not been our friend this year.

It's definitely the loudest I've ever heard Amway Center get (even with the empty seats), so there's that.

Tough to pick yourself up from this.

lineup of..

nelson
jj
j. rich
hedo
davis

got us back into it from a big hole, and we got back into it by going to the basket, not flinging up ridiculous 3 pters hope stan learns something

[thelead]

Beyond heartbreaking. I'm still one waiting for a well-officiated game. Overtimes have not been our friend this year.

It's definitely the loudest I've ever heard Amway Center get (even with the empty seats), so there's that.

Tough to pick yourself up from this.

Even from watching it on tv I could tell. I've always said that our crowds are too quite too often. I've been to many games over the years (none this year though), and I have never heard it as loud as it was yesterday during the "refs u suck" chant.

[magic04life]

Beyond heartbreaking. I'm still one waiting for a well-officiated game. Overtimes have not been our friend this year.

It's definitely the loudest I've ever heard Amway Center get (even with the empty seats), so there's that.

Tough to pick yourself up from this.

Even from watching it on tv I could tell. I've always said that our crowds are too quite too often. I've been to many games over the years (none this year though), and I have never heard it as loud as it was yesterday during the "refs u suck" chant.

The roof was about ready to blow off the arena. If Jameer had hit that shot at the end of regulation, I really think it would off.

Place was going bananas